Well just finished my group testing day. Had a lot of fun. All very casual, and assessors were all very friendly and helpful. I feel I did ok, but only time will tell. At least the application process has finished - and I have done my best. My fingers are crossed.

Congrats on making it through the day bb. How do you think you went?

It took about a month after the assessment day before my referees were contacted, so I'm afraid you might be in for a bit of a wait.

I thought it went ok on the day. I did alright on the diagrammatic and visual tests. Group exercise - no idea. Interview went badly as always - hate behavioural style interviewing. I thought simulation went ok, but didn't pay any attention to the clock etc - so I am a bit worried I might have taken "too long". Just wait and see - my status has changed to "assessment day completed". Not sure if that is good or bad, others have said their status has changed to "merit list" or something similar?

Mine changed to assessment day complete afterwards as well. Maybe that's a positive sign then?

It just means somewhere on the computer system someone has acknowledged that you have attended an assessment day. Behind the scenes, busy bodies will be determining if you are a good fit for the organisation and whether you can complete the training and get your licence at the end of it. I would be worried if your status turned to awaiting outcome or similar.

Thanks for that. I am logging in every day to check. My referees know I am applying for work, but I don't want to tell them to "maybe" expect a call. Be nice to just forewarn them once I knew for sure.

If it helps, Airservices called me a few days before they contacted my referees to let me know they were going to. Not sure if this is standard practice, but I thought that was very nice.

In any case it didn't matter too much as I had tried to take the assessment day off as annual leave and my boss said "No, I need you here that day". I then had to tell him it was for a job. He hadn't realised I was looking so was a bit shocked, but at least when it came round to me telling him he'd get a call in the next week for a reference, he knew what it was for :)

Hi bb, It was the same for me as soontobeinmelbourne. They contacted me to advise they would be contacting my referee's and for me to let ASA know if there were any changes in details of the referee's. It was about 2 weeks later they contacted them.

Good to know - thanks guys. Now to play the waiting game ....

OPQ
 

Hi all,

Thanks for the wealth of information, it's been such a great help with my application. I completed my OPQ last Thursday and am a bit worried I stuffed it up :uhoh: Has anyone failed or heard of anyone failing this assessment? What was your feedback? The wait is killing me!

Thanks Kiwi_n_Melb. Fingers crossed for a positive email!!

I believe that its ASAs 100% goal is to move Sydney Approach to Melbourne. Therefore, training on the Melbourne enroute sectors surrounding Sydney would be the best path.

Waiting game
 

This waiting game is still killing me. I had my assessment day in Mid-September, referees called early October, was told about 2 weeks ago to go and get the medical tests done. Have nearly completed all the necessary tests and now waiting for CASA to issue my medical certificate.


My question is, at what stage will ASA officially offer me a position? do they now wait until the medical certificate has been issued? I am assuming now I have the position, pending successful medical, however I still have not been given any indication I have passed the selection process other than requesting me to complete the next stage.


Cheers.

Anon E Mouse,

I'd be giving them a call, or rereading where they said to get your medical certification. When I was offered a position 3 years ago, it was subject to my getting the class 3.

When is your course for? I have an assessment day in Feb for a May course..Seems like they are slowly getting behind the 8 ball. The staff in the background must be working the rear ends off..

Online Test
 

Hello all,
I've been informed that I will be contacted for my online test as the first stage. I'm really worried what to expect in that as I have not yet been given any clue. It will be really appreciated if someone could please let me know what to expect (what areas it covers, what sort of questions) and how the test takes place. Are they MCQs? Are there any questions on flying, meteorology or any other types?
Any sort of answer will be appreciated.
Thank you.

That's the thing. They haven't told me any start date at all. I went back and reread everything they've sent me, and nowhere have they given me any indication of a start date. Once I get the last bits of the medical sorted, I'll drop ASA an email and see what the go is.

Anon E Mouse,

I got told to get my medical on the 22 August. Completed and sent it to them on the 18th September and didn't hear a thing until I rung them on the 28 October where I was told my start date, Then got the Letter of Offer on the 29th October.

Only thing I can say is you're in for a wait. Good Luck

Hey guys, how long did it take for you to get your ARN. I got an email from airservices asking me to complete the medical, so applied for an ARN last Wednesday. Should I got ahead and book in my appointment with the DAME and hope it comes soon, or wait until I get the ARN? Cheers

Thanks big browna. That makes me feel better. Seems like your time line should match mine.






Ozziejim, it took exactly a week from sending my ARN application for me to receive the letter from CASA with my ARN. My advice is to wait until you get your ARN before you get the medical underway. it just makes all the paperwork easier, especially considering the turnaround from CASA was so good (I went through the ARN process earlier this month).

Sorry to hear that mate :( Probably a bit too much information disclosed for airservices liking in your post. However I have had my assessment day so doesn't affect me ! How long after your assessment day did you get your email? After hearing the parts that you failed on, it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence .... Although I am guessing all those areas are debatable , and some may be passed with similar results if they fit into other criteria the airservices require. Either way, I am glad I am doing a short course at the moment to give me a fall back job.

Well - got my email this morning. Unfortunately I too was deemed not a suitable fit for the role. Oh well. Next ......

2211race, you should probably edit your post and remove a lot of the detail. As bb1981 said, ASA are very sensitive about people knowing too much about the assessment day (and so they should be). They also take a lot of effort to identify people that have been coached with "inside information". So you are in effect potentially harming the prospects of anyone who reads this forum and hasn't yet sat the assessment day.

Wish I hadn't seen that post with all the details regarding the assessment centre..
With my application at the stage of 'On-Hold for Upcoming Assessment Centre' I'll just have to hope now that I don't get flagged as having 'inside information' on the day.
Maybe best for me to stay off this thread till after my assessment now so I don't screw myself over.

Good luck to everyone who is at the assessment centre stage too!

At the end of the day its whether you can do the job rather than simply pass a test. The assessment day consists of a number of different parts, no point passing the assessment day but then wasting up to 12 months of your life and then bombing out.

Mods, perhaps you should remove the post by 2211 race.

Why remove it? It is not against any posting rules send this thread is full of hundreds of posts containing interview and other information. It should remain.

You are correct Sterling, it is not against any forum rules. However as I stated, reading what is written in that post could directly harm your chances of passing the assessment day. There are 156 pages of information about the recruitment process. However, having read roughly half of this thread, I could not find any other posts with specific information about tasks you will have to perform on the day.


I repeat, ASA take a lot of time and effort trying to detect potential recruits who have been "coached" with "inside information." What is written in that post contains information ASA would not like potential recruits to know prior to the day. Therefore, if they believe a recruit knows this information and has used it to their advantage, this will reflect negatively on their performance.

Sterling,

It's the fact that the assessors can tell if you have been coached or had any inside information regarding the assessment day. Going off my experience there is no amount of preparation that can help you on the assessment day anyway! As has been reiterated in this thread numerous times, "you either have it, or you don't".

Personally, I would not like to see a post like that prior to having an assessment day as it would be more of a detriment to the cause than an advantage. I would rather start the day with a clear head an be prepared for anything, than be worrying all day about these tests I have read about on a forum (which they might not even do). After all, you can't sit down the night before your ATC shift and read a script about what you will be doing the next day, can you!

Finally, the post may not be breaching any rules in particular. However in the forum rules it does state:

Final arbitration always rests with the moderator and administration team. This team also retains the right to remove any post, any thread and/or any member for any reason or no reason at all.

What about those taking the AC again after a failed first attempt?

If an individual reads anything on a site like this and goes into an assessment and sprouts any of it verbatim without actually understanding the concept, they wont progress anyway as they will be picked up along the way in all manner of areas.

The post people are referring to is just talking aout concepts that a successful candidate would have to be aware of in the first place.

ATC is a rules based game. You are given a set of rules and you must follow them exactly every time.

Verbalise. Assessors are not mind readers and if you don't tell them what it is you are doing and why they don't know if you solved a problem by design or by accident. If you did not mean to do something, you can't be recognised as knowing you had to do so.

Workload and scanning. You have your basic rules as mentioned above. Everyone has their rules. Some of those rules are different between people but influence the required execution by others or yourself. Using your rules and educating and sharing those rules with others helps the whole operation. Assist others around you using your rules and theirs to maximise efficiency and spread workload. Constantly check (scan) your work and that of others to ensure accuracy and compliance. Relieve others of workload where appropriate while keeping vigilant about your own. This is the whole of ATC rolled up into one assessment without having to talk to a single aircraft.

ATC is change heavy. Be prepare for change, be aware of changes and be accepting of changes. ATC do not interpret change but implement and ensure compliance with change. If there is a change that is in conflict with your already known rules then say so but if it complies, even if you personaly don't like it, shut your mouth and implement it. Suggest alternatives but until they themselves become rules, operate as per procedure.

The above is a summary of the concepts contained in the post in question. Understanding these concepts will be a very good place to start not just in the assessment but as an ATC. It is not giving anyone an unfair advantage as some people will just 'get it' and will likely be successful anyway. Anyone just trying to parrot these concepts without understanding and application will be seen through quick smart anyway.

Best of luck to all. It really is a fantastic job.

Hi Everyone,

How many stages are there in this process starting from the online test till you get the offer?

Thank you.

RRP1985,
That information is on the Airservices website.

Or do a search through this forum.

Have enquired about some of the costs associated with the class 3 medical. Am just wondering if airservices reimburses you the money spent on obtaining the medical or whether you just end up wearing the cost yourself?

Notes from Airservices Australia when you receive an offer to commence medicals. Please be aware that the costs associated with the Class 3 Medical Examination will be reimbursed to you once you have commenced employment with Airservices.

DD70 that wasn't stated anywhere in my email with an offer to commence the medical process. So im wondering if they have changed their policy on it? And does employment mean training or once you are rated?

If you log in on the AsA page where your application and profile can be found, you should see a new option go to employee portal. Once entered check your tasks. You'll find your medicals along others. Expect reimbursment once you start training.

hey guys, i started earlier in the year and ASA reimburses you on your 1st or 2nd pay just keep receipts! including your casa processing fee!

Behavioural Interview
 

Got one coming up, whats the difference between that and an interview?

Tried this?