UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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PPrune
Its my understanding that if you have 3 or 4 days off followed by days 1to 6 of a cycle as leave then it complies with both shratcoh and wp to make you work on 7 and 8 then start the following cycle as usual. However this was not the point I was trying to make, that being that we need to take a stand against the Barron instead of picking holes in each other all the time.
Its my understanding that if you have 3 or 4 days off followed by days 1to 6 of a cycle as leave then it complies with both shratcoh and wp to make you work on 7 and 8 then start the following cycle as usual. However this was not the point I was trying to make, that being that we need to take a stand against the Barron instead of picking holes in each other all the time.
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From: Hants
Don't think he (PB) cares whether it's 9% or not after picking up a bonus of over £500k (which he gets paid once every 3 years).
That equates yearly to over 50% of salary in bonus.
Add to that the pay rise he received last year before the cap on pensionable pay rises was brought in.
I don't mind people being paid bonuses (though it is an obscene amount), but not when the same people claim NATS is having to tighten it's belt,
That equates yearly to over 50% of salary in bonus.
Add to that the pay rise he received last year before the cap on pensionable pay rises was brought in.
I don't mind people being paid bonuses (though it is an obscene amount), but not when the same people claim NATS is having to tighten it's belt,
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dallas2
I would question whether your suggestion is WP compliant.
I can't speak for other units but under WPP you work either an 40hr/Week Gross hours roster or a 35hr/Wk Net (no meal breaks) roster. At my unit, the (net hours) roster comes out as an average of 34.7 (IIRC). Taking 6 cycles per year and working days 7 & 8 adds 12x8 hrs (96hrs) to the annual total and pushes the weekly average to over 36. Therefore, here it would not be WPP compliant. Even working only one of Day 7 or 8 after every leave cycle would push our average over 35.
DD
I would question whether your suggestion is WP compliant.
I can't speak for other units but under WPP you work either an 40hr/Week Gross hours roster or a 35hr/Wk Net (no meal breaks) roster. At my unit, the (net hours) roster comes out as an average of 34.7 (IIRC). Taking 6 cycles per year and working days 7 & 8 adds 12x8 hrs (96hrs) to the annual total and pushes the weekly average to over 36. Therefore, here it would not be WPP compliant. Even working only one of Day 7 or 8 after every leave cycle would push our average over 35.
DD
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07/08 accounts: CEO salary £400k
06/07 accounts: £350k
05/06: £313k
04/05: £252k
You can find these figures in the published accounts. Freely available to all. The accounts due in the summer for year just finished will report on the salaries paid in the past year.
I wouldn't expect to see any blips in the graph...
06/07 accounts: £350k
05/06: £313k
04/05: £252k
You can find these figures in the published accounts. Freely available to all. The accounts due in the summer for year just finished will report on the salaries paid in the past year.
I wouldn't expect to see any blips in the graph...
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From: Hants
Expect to see a salary of £450k ish (nice annual rise btw) plus bonus.
04/05: £252k
05/06: £313k - 24% annual increase
06/07 accounts: £350k - 11.9% anual increase
07/08 accounts: CEO salary £400k - 14.3% annual increase
Remember the above figures are salary, bonus will be extra.
And I really shouldn't be so lazy but I can't be bothered to trawl through all the posts in this thread - but some wise wags have repeatedlly berated those amongst us who want a pay rise commensurate with Aug 08 RPI, saying that the RPI is history and inflation etc has dropped, thus we should accept much less.
Fuel has just risen, again
Council taxes are up
and
Spiralling prices of staple foods
04/05: £252k
05/06: £313k - 24% annual increase
06/07 accounts: £350k - 11.9% anual increase
07/08 accounts: CEO salary £400k - 14.3% annual increase
Remember the above figures are salary, bonus will be extra.
And I really shouldn't be so lazy but I can't be bothered to trawl through all the posts in this thread - but some wise wags have repeatedlly berated those amongst us who want a pay rise commensurate with Aug 08 RPI, saying that the RPI is history and inflation etc has dropped, thus we should accept much less.
Fuel has just risen, again
Council taxes are up
and
Spiralling prices of staple foods
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From: Land of the sand people.
DTY/LKS.... ive done my management bullet dodging for the moment. Thankfully, someone else has taken the torch. Getting pulled in the office and listen to a 'company' type telling me how great it is to work for NATS, how great that plonker PB is and how we should tow the line is not my idea of fun.
Do your job, go home and let management lackeys sniff eachothers' arses like a pack of confused, stray dogs as that is all they are good for.
If they dont want to engage ops staff, take every break you can and enjoy the sunny weather on the balcony....... sod 'em
Do your job, go home and let management lackeys sniff eachothers' arses like a pack of confused, stray dogs as that is all they are good for.
If they dont want to engage ops staff, take every break you can and enjoy the sunny weather on the balcony....... sod 'em
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From: way down south
Not just fuel rising..blood pressure going up too!!!
So 9% is looking pretty good for PB then?
Whatever happened to "Lead by example"? It really is a case of "I hear what you say. However..."
Talk of compuslory redundancies..Will this start at the top and work down? ???
So 9% is looking pretty good for PB then?
Whatever happened to "Lead by example"? It really is a case of "I hear what you say. However..."
Talk of compuslory redundancies..Will this start at the top and work down? ???
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NATS/TU have a written agreement saying that there will be no compulsory redundancy at any time... However, they also have a written agreement that says NATS promises not to use cost as a deciding factor in selecting volunteers to go... We all know they don't stick to that.
It will be very interesting to see how PB and the Comms team deal with the direct question about the 9% rumour. Difficult one to escape from with any credibility!
It will be very interesting to see how PB and the Comms team deal with the direct question about the 9% rumour. Difficult one to escape from with any credibility!
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From: UK
BD
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BD
Didn't know that.
I'm a bit of a realist, don't expect we'll get 4.8% though of course it would be nice - but if the rumour of 9% for PB is anywhere near the truth (looking at the figures provided by Me Me Me it won't be far off the mark), it would be nice to see people treated fairly.
I appreciate that bonuses are part of the contract for certain grades, but when the company is trying to save money and is saying it can't afford to give the great unwashed much of a pay rise, it would be nice to see people accept little or no bonus and just be thankful of a payrise...
Didn't know that.
I'm a bit of a realist, don't expect we'll get 4.8% though of course it would be nice - but if the rumour of 9% for PB is anywhere near the truth (looking at the figures provided by Me Me Me it won't be far off the mark), it would be nice to see people treated fairly.
I appreciate that bonuses are part of the contract for certain grades, but when the company is trying to save money and is saying it can't afford to give the great unwashed much of a pay rise, it would be nice to see people accept little or no bonus and just be thankful of a payrise...
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From: in some mud
This is beyond a joke now. How much longer is it going to drag on? And from a communication point of view I've heard barely anything, a short post on NATSnet and a brief union statement doesn't really cut the mustard. And what of the special conference to discuss issues about NSL? Any rumours there?
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From: South of the border
MeMeMeMe - "...However, they also have a written agreement that says NATS promises not to use cost as a deciding factor in selecting volunteers to go..."
'fraid not - the agreement only states that cost will not be used in deciding compulsory redundancies.
'fraid not - the agreement only states that cost will not be used in deciding compulsory redundancies.
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From: LACC - the Premier Centre
If PB is getting a pay rise of 9% he is only being rewarded for his success in improving the future financial health of the company. He has done this by reducing the pension liability, cutting staff levels to the bone and soon he will give us a meagre pay rise. Anything less than the 4.8% that will have been budgeted for, and we are entitled to, he can claim is a saving and will be rewarded for.
You only have yourselves to blame for his pay rise, well when I say you I mean the "yes" voters, thanks again for shafting us all.
You only have yourselves to blame for his pay rise, well when I say you I mean the "yes" voters, thanks again for shafting us all.
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BD
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From: swanwick
It is getting ridiculous now. It is April, and we are still non the wiser about our pay increase. Say they give us this figure of 4.8%, but dont backdate it, what is the actual increase. If it goes into may/june, will we get our increment rises, backdated. Come on give us something to chew over. If they have nothing in the coffers to offer, say so, but then ensure you dont pay dividends or bonuses or rumored 9%. If we are getting little or no payrise for the good of the company, I will accept that, if we are getting little or no payrise, but bonuses,dividends and management are getting payrises, then this is unacceptable.
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Originally Posted by rumouroid 
You only have yourselves to blame for his pay rise, well when I say you I mean the "yes" voters, thanks again for shafting us all.
BDiONU
In what way to blame? Or do you mean that the democratic voting method is fundamentally flawed and everyone should only have been able to vote how you wanted?
BD
You only have yourselves to blame for his pay rise, well when I say you I mean the "yes" voters, thanks again for shafting us all.
BDiONU
In what way to blame? Or do you mean that the democratic voting method is fundamentally flawed and everyone should only have been able to vote how you wanted?
BD
Hence, we are no further forward with the "pay rise"
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From: UK
June ..
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Finance Director ______________________ Nigel Fotherby
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The regulatory accounts were approved by the Board on 26 June 2008 and
signed on its behalf by
signed on its behalf by
Finance Director ______________________ Nigel Fotherby