UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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. Although I think we can answer the third question 
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From: 24/7 Hardcore Heaven
I notice that Barron hasn't replied on NATSNET to the 9% payrise rumour (unless it happened today).
I'm starting to think that people are becoming more p***ed off over this now than they ever were over the pension. Its a bridge too far and the woeful lack of communication and action from either the management or the Union is starting to get people's backs up.
Of course there are always one or two conscientious objectors who like to fire pot shots on behalf of the Union/Management from a safe distance....so I'll be careful not tar everyone with the same brush. I'm sure these people can't wait to bend over and be shafted yet again
I'm starting to think that people are becoming more p***ed off over this now than they ever were over the pension. Its a bridge too far and the woeful lack of communication and action from either the management or the Union is starting to get people's backs up.
Of course there are always one or two conscientious objectors who like to fire pot shots on behalf of the Union/Management from a safe distance....so I'll be careful not tar everyone with the same brush. I'm sure these people can't wait to bend over and be shafted yet again
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From: Land of the sand people.
It appears some seem to like being bent over and shafted whilst shouting 'yes mister Barron, I vote yes' and also 'no mister Barron, dont use the KY.... I likes it rough'
I heard this morning that the union and management are going to be shedding info over the next couple of weeks that we will not like and most likey tucked up in bed together sharing a post coital fag whilst we are left to fend for ourselves.... which is nothing new and is only a rumour. Come to think of it, I struggle to remember when the union gave us something that we did like in recent times.
Has there been a meeting lately? Any news, or are we just going to sit and watch more meetings be scheduled only for those NATS wankers to cancel yet again?
I'd like to see the union play hardball and end this game, will that ever happen? about as likely as me retaining a decent pension!!!!
I heard this morning that the union and management are going to be shedding info over the next couple of weeks that we will not like and most likey tucked up in bed together sharing a post coital fag whilst we are left to fend for ourselves.... which is nothing new and is only a rumour. Come to think of it, I struggle to remember when the union gave us something that we did like in recent times.
Has there been a meeting lately? Any news, or are we just going to sit and watch more meetings be scheduled only for those NATS wankers to cancel yet again?
I'd like to see the union play hardball and end this game, will that ever happen? about as likely as me retaining a decent pension!!!!
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I would like to see him worm out of this one, if its true of course.
A simple answer would be welcomed, especially for us knuckle dragging ops types. No doubt a long winded, buzz word containing, management truck of PB !!!!e that he hasnt even written (he has cronies for that, I know because I have met them and seen them in action) will be expelled from his CTC Mansion. published next to a photo with his 'concerened/angry' pout from his last photo shoot on nats net.
Standing by!!!
A simple answer would be welcomed, especially for us knuckle dragging ops types. No doubt a long winded, buzz word containing, management truck of PB !!!!e that he hasnt even written (he has cronies for that, I know because I have met them and seen them in action) will be expelled from his CTC Mansion. published next to a photo with his 'concerened/angry' pout from his last photo shoot on nats net.
Standing by!!!
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From: Hants
The chances are the question has put the cat amongst the pigeons.
He was probably so busy counting his bonus that he had not worked out what his pay rise equated to as a percentage.
Now that someone has questioned him on the intranet, it has brought his attention to the fact that he may 'only' have received 9%. (Bet it was on time as well unlike ours).
Obviously he will be asking his minions if this is correct because if it is he'll want to know why, after rises of 24%, 11.9% and 14.3% in the previous 3 years, he is being penalised with such a paltry sum.
How is anyone supposed to live off that, I ask you?
He was probably so busy counting his bonus that he had not worked out what his pay rise equated to as a percentage.
Now that someone has questioned him on the intranet, it has brought his attention to the fact that he may 'only' have received 9%. (Bet it was on time as well unlike ours).
Obviously he will be asking his minions if this is correct because if it is he'll want to know why, after rises of 24%, 11.9% and 14.3% in the previous 3 years, he is being penalised with such a paltry sum.
How is anyone supposed to live off that, I ask you?
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Is that why NATS ATCOs are (allegedly) not fully reimbursed for the cost of their annual medicals, yet BUPA membership is provided for 'managers' wives?
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As I understand it, OHS provide the facility for all ATCOs to have free medicals either at LAC or at the regular mobile clinics which they offer throughout the country. These are apparently offered at regular enough intervals to allow everyone to have medical renewals done in time and for free.
If someone decides for whatever reason not to take advantage of this comprehensive service (which has a cost to NATS) and go 'private', then they will reimburse costs up to £150. Doesn't seem to me to be an unfair offer. Given the requirements of medical confidentiality, I can't see why anyone would feel the need to go to another doctor for their annual renewal... unless there is a scam going on somewhere.
As for the main point of this thread: Still disappointed at the apparent lack of progress on pay talks. Not really sure why everyone is so hung up on what PB is getting: concentrate on skilled negotiation for the wider workforce and stop being distracted by one figurehead.
Is that why NATS ATCOs are (allegedly) not fully reimbursed for the cost of their annual medicals, yet BUPA membership is provided for 'managers' wives?
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As I understand it, OHS provide the facility for all ATCOs to have free medicals either at LAC or at the regular mobile clinics which they offer throughout the country. These are apparently offered at regular enough intervals to allow everyone to have medical renewals done in time and for free.
If someone decides for whatever reason not to take advantage of this comprehensive service (which has a cost to NATS) and go 'private', then they will reimburse costs up to £150. Doesn't seem to me to be an unfair offer. Given the requirements of medical confidentiality, I can't see why anyone would feel the need to go to another doctor for their annual renewal... unless there is a scam going on somewhere.
As for the main point of this thread: Still disappointed at the apparent lack of progress on pay talks. Not really sure why everyone is so hung up on what PB is getting: concentrate on skilled negotiation for the wider workforce and stop being distracted by one figurehead.
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eyeinthesky
The reason people are getting "so hung up on what PB is getting" is because it is those at the lower end, ATCOs/ATSAs/Engineers who keep the traffic flowing making him look good. Anyone can "manage", but without the goodwill of those being managed it may not be so easy. So before he worries about what he is getting he should be taking care of the troops....oh yeah he is! Not in a good way!.
Free coffee is not enough!!
It don't pay the bills.
When I say "Troops" I do include Pen-Pushers as well..so no offensive remarks from that quarter please.
Any news for us yet?
The reason people are getting "so hung up on what PB is getting" is because it is those at the lower end, ATCOs/ATSAs/Engineers who keep the traffic flowing making him look good. Anyone can "manage", but without the goodwill of those being managed it may not be so easy. So before he worries about what he is getting he should be taking care of the troops....oh yeah he is! Not in a good way!.
Free coffee is not enough!!
It don't pay the bills.When I say "Troops" I do include Pen-Pushers as well..so no offensive remarks from that quarter please.
Any news for us yet?
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Not really sure why everyone is so hung up on what PB is getting
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But to what degree and how well? Unfortunately doing it well is a different matter, hence why so many of the sycophants who are in management positions are crap managers, but hey, they know the right people.
Anyone can "manage",
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Yes, how well some of the managers manage definately needs questioning.
Some managers need managing themselves! As you know there will always be the "YesMen" wringing their hands and making the right noises to please. These are the people top managers rely on...no shortage.
Yes, how well some of the managers manage definately needs questioning.
Some managers need managing themselves! As you know there will always be the "YesMen" wringing their hands and making the right noises to please. These are the people top managers rely on...no shortage.
