UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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From: FG11
Originally Posted by Disillusioned
But the complete lack of any information whatsoever (especially after the union promised to keep members more informed about the current state of negotiations, after the pension debacle), isn't helping.
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From: swanwick
Unfortunately thats Technology and Progress that has taken jobs off ATSAs, not the fault of ATSAs. (sp..grossly)
Still no news on payrise?
Still no news on payrise?
In your eyes, the rest of us are responsible for dragging you all down. In our eyes, the perpetual intransigence of the ATCOs to honestly recognise the input and value of the support staff (and especially the Ops ATSAs) and back them up accordingly, is what the real state of affairs is
(sp grossly noted ty)
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From: Hants
rumouroid,
I believe there was supposed to be a meeting on Fri 27th, that was cancelled at the request of managment (according to a rep I know).
The other meetings are still planned not sure of the dates, though who knows whether management will cancel again or not...
I believe there was supposed to be a meeting on Fri 27th, that was cancelled at the request of managment (according to a rep I know).
The other meetings are still planned not sure of the dates, though who knows whether management will cancel again or not...
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From: Cheshire, California, Geneva, and Paris
Ladies and Gentlemen.
During the Nazi era there was a Lutherian pastor called Martin Niemuller who wrote this poem in protest at the Nazis and was imprisoned for his trouble.
"First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Communist;
Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Socialist;
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out for I was not a Trade Unionist;
Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Does this mean anything to any of you in your narrow minded, parochial, greedy, status driven, self-obsessed, view of your relationship with your employer?
Tony Fallows
Cheshire
During the Nazi era there was a Lutherian pastor called Martin Niemuller who wrote this poem in protest at the Nazis and was imprisoned for his trouble.
"First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Communist;
Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Socialist;
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out for I was not a Trade Unionist;
Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Does this mean anything to any of you in your narrow minded, parochial, greedy, status driven, self-obsessed, view of your relationship with your employer?
Tony Fallows
Cheshire
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From: swanwick
Ladies and Gentlemen.
During the Nazi era there was a Lutherian pastor called Martin Niemuller who wrote this poem in protest at the Nazis and was imprisoned for his trouble.
"First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Communist;
Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Socialist;
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out for I was not a Trade Unionist;
Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Does this mean anything to any of you in your narrow minded, parochial, greedy, status driven, self-obsessed, view of your relationship with your employer?
Tony Fallows
Cheshire
During the Nazi era there was a Lutherian pastor called Martin Niemuller who wrote this poem in protest at the Nazis and was imprisoned for his trouble.
"First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Communist;
Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Socialist;
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out for I was not a Trade Unionist;
Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Does this mean anything to any of you in your narrow minded, parochial, greedy, status driven, self-obsessed, view of your relationship with your employer?
Tony Fallows
Cheshire
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From: Hants
One thing I have never understand whilst working for NATS is why are so many people so obsessed with what someone else earns? All you should be concerned about is what you get. Seriously - what someone else earns is none of your business.
It makes me laugh to see some of the guys on here who harp on about how to run a company - as if they have a clue how to run a business! They'd be the first to cry foul if someone told them to how to be an ATCO, or an ATSA or ATCE.
Going by whats on here, the management tactic of divide & conquer is all but complete. TC v AC. Swanwick v rest of NERL. ATCO v ATSA. All this ATSA-bashing, jeez you'd think there'd never been a !!!! ATCO, when anyone in TC in reality could name all the duff ones on each watch.
If you want a decent pay rise, tell your reps to tell the NTUS to stick together, strength in numbers is our only chance. 2-3% with no adverse strings attached should be achievable.
It makes me laugh to see some of the guys on here who harp on about how to run a company - as if they have a clue how to run a business! They'd be the first to cry foul if someone told them to how to be an ATCO, or an ATSA or ATCE.
Going by whats on here, the management tactic of divide & conquer is all but complete. TC v AC. Swanwick v rest of NERL. ATCO v ATSA. All this ATSA-bashing, jeez you'd think there'd never been a !!!! ATCO, when anyone in TC in reality could name all the duff ones on each watch.
If you want a decent pay rise, tell your reps to tell the NTUS to stick together, strength in numbers is our only chance. 2-3% with no adverse strings attached should be achievable.
are getting 2.8% so I will not be happy with anything less.
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From: nr SAM
Manny Fred:
You obviously didn't work the Green Watch afternoon last September then...ATSAs saved our bacon on Clacton and North Sea.
But on AC sectors, esp Central/south banks. I would say 95% of there jobs is putting the strips out, and nothing more......Apart from some who do other tasks, I think they are grosely overpaid, for the service they provide.
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From: at home
"you'd think there'd never been a !!!! ATCO"
Haha!
How true!!
anyway, despite suffering from mr777's 'issues', my opinion of the situation has not changed. The workforce is terminally divided, in mutual respect, co-operation and a sense of being in it together. And to top it all off, one particular element perpetually thinks that their opinion is the only one that counts for anything when it comes to the provision of ATC.
Big, hairy spherical objects!
some of you just don't get it - and that's also why TRM is/was a crock of !!!!!e.
DC10 - your PM turned up OK, and I totally agree with the comments you made.
Haha!
How true!! anyway, despite suffering from mr777's 'issues', my opinion of the situation has not changed. The workforce is terminally divided, in mutual respect, co-operation and a sense of being in it together. And to top it all off, one particular element perpetually thinks that their opinion is the only one that counts for anything when it comes to the provision of ATC.
Big, hairy spherical objects!
some of you just don't get it - and that's also why TRM is/was a crock of !!!!!e.
DC10 - your PM turned up OK, and I totally agree with the comments you made.
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From: swanwick carp lake
oh white hart. i was merely stating that some atsas are dog toff. if YOU consider it possible to be regarded as that, just IMAGINE how you are REALLY perceived. oh dear.........i can smell the pedigree chum nuttyness from here
im sorry you are that bad at your job.
you need to work on your use of "fail"
that is all.
im sorry you are that bad at your job.
you need to work on your use of "fail"
that is all.