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As someone who made the jump from the UK to Oz just over 9 years ago I would say this or "these" infact:
Consider whether you are suffering from push or pull influences at home- are you jumping overboard so to speak in search of perceived better weather, bigger house, better education more money, better lifetsyle ( define that - different for everyone!) etc or are you being pushed - unhappy at work no obvious promotion prospects etc?
Do you value extended family? No really, do you value the company of parents - even once a month etc, and hope to support aged mum and dad as No1 or No 2 son / daughter. No ? Come!! Are you happy for parents family and friends to grow old without you? Yes? Come. Are you looking for adventure? Come. Are you around 30 something? Come. Do you have about $500, 000 to buy a moderate house outright and live off your salary, and will your wife also earn good money $80k+ for lifes little extras ( 42 inch plasma TV to watch for about 3 months when its 32 plus every day in QLD so you cant go outside just like a British winter!! !. Dont mention the aircon bill or no one will come over!!). Yes? Come. Do you really just want change and a bloody good cricket team? Come.
If your not sure, - stay - and take an extended holiday and come over anyway. Treat yourself - fly business - makes the whole experience more memorable!! Oz is a magnificent country but its not everyones Xanadu for many of the above reasons! Money is not the only issue. Remember whenever you join a new "team" you get a new coach, new idealology, new team ethos and new bullsh*t = new push factor! Same the world over.
Would I do it again? Definitely Maybe!
To me there is no point in sitting on the "What If" chair!
Life is an adventure - whether you take advantage of that fact or not is up to you and of course your family. You cant put a $ value on all lifes big decisions!
There is no right and no wrong - only a sunny tomorrow !
DogGone
Consider whether you are suffering from push or pull influences at home- are you jumping overboard so to speak in search of perceived better weather, bigger house, better education more money, better lifetsyle ( define that - different for everyone!) etc or are you being pushed - unhappy at work no obvious promotion prospects etc?
Do you value extended family? No really, do you value the company of parents - even once a month etc, and hope to support aged mum and dad as No1 or No 2 son / daughter. No ? Come!! Are you happy for parents family and friends to grow old without you? Yes? Come. Are you looking for adventure? Come. Are you around 30 something? Come. Do you have about $500, 000 to buy a moderate house outright and live off your salary, and will your wife also earn good money $80k+ for lifes little extras ( 42 inch plasma TV to watch for about 3 months when its 32 plus every day in QLD so you cant go outside just like a British winter!! !. Dont mention the aircon bill or no one will come over!!). Yes? Come. Do you really just want change and a bloody good cricket team? Come.
If your not sure, - stay - and take an extended holiday and come over anyway. Treat yourself - fly business - makes the whole experience more memorable!! Oz is a magnificent country but its not everyones Xanadu for many of the above reasons! Money is not the only issue. Remember whenever you join a new "team" you get a new coach, new idealology, new team ethos and new bullsh*t = new push factor! Same the world over.
Would I do it again? Definitely Maybe!
To me there is no point in sitting on the "What If" chair!
Life is an adventure - whether you take advantage of that fact or not is up to you and of course your family. You cant put a $ value on all lifes big decisions!
There is no right and no wrong - only a sunny tomorrow !
DogGone
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As somebody who has moved country (and Air Navigation Services companies) twice now, I'll drop my 2 cents worth to this for consideration.
The "ex-pat" (for want of better word) thing isn't for everyone, especially for those in a relationship/married. BurgularsDog correctly identifies many issues that are faced by upping shop and moving country. It can be rough on spouses, especially early days during your training. Making new friends and establishing a comfort zone in a new country can certainly cause a little stress on the domestic front eg: bank accounts, accommodation, mortgages, car finance, credit score or lack there of, even stupid things like mobile/cell phone contracts (I've got a great story about this one
). Kids are fairly resilient and can adapt fairly quickly but issues can still arise (I'm sure some of out ATC brothers and sisters in the sand-pit could extrapolate on this a little more). PLUS, remember being a trainee sucks, especially considering you may be learning a new way of doing business, phraseology and airspace structure.
And not trying to tell anyone how to suck eggs or p*ss on anyones parade, but sometimes it doesn't work out for whatever reason. Make sure you have some form of a backup plan (and if it can be avoided, don't burn any bridges)
That grass may certainly be greener (or browner at the moment, stupid drought).......here's wishing all those who do that it stays that way
The "ex-pat" (for want of better word) thing isn't for everyone, especially for those in a relationship/married. BurgularsDog correctly identifies many issues that are faced by upping shop and moving country. It can be rough on spouses, especially early days during your training. Making new friends and establishing a comfort zone in a new country can certainly cause a little stress on the domestic front eg: bank accounts, accommodation, mortgages, car finance, credit score or lack there of, even stupid things like mobile/cell phone contracts (I've got a great story about this one
). Kids are fairly resilient and can adapt fairly quickly but issues can still arise (I'm sure some of out ATC brothers and sisters in the sand-pit could extrapolate on this a little more). PLUS, remember being a trainee sucks, especially considering you may be learning a new way of doing business, phraseology and airspace structure.And not trying to tell anyone how to suck eggs or p*ss on anyones parade, but sometimes it doesn't work out for whatever reason. Make sure you have some form of a backup plan (and if it can be avoided, don't burn any bridges)
That grass may certainly be greener (or browner at the moment, stupid drought).......here's wishing all those who do that it stays that way
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Don't forget the lovely greeting you sometimes get from the brown snake at the back of the centre when you start/finish your shift!!
Yes, Oz really does have all these things.
I think that BurglarsDog's and Jerricho's posts sum most things up nicely.
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Oh well, someone had to! BTW: In terms of relocation ... many who came out here 5 or so years ago from the UK had it pretty good. If you brought in a modest amount of savings/result of selling up in UK, you could buy really well in Oz, nice house - comfortable set up. And now, that house is worth maybe 2-3 times as much, depending on where you live! OTOH, those who arrived last year were greeted by a distinct lack of bargains!
Its all in the timing!
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price of houses in Oz
Something that may be of use to people thinking of coming over is the following websites, that give an indication of the cost of housing
www.realestate.com.au
www.domain.com.au
Sydney housing has always been expensive, and not working there I could not recommended any suburbs. Melbourne's airport is north of the city, so start looking at Tullarmarine & surrounding suburbs if you want to be within 20 minutes drive. Brisbane's airport is fairly close to the city and some fairly expensive suburbs - try Clayfied, Hendra, Toombul, Northgate etc.
In Brisbane (where I work) you'll see that a 3 bedroom house with double garage and 600 sq. m's block in the suburbs I mentioned can set you back anywhere from $350,000 to $700,000.
The realestate website also lists rental properties, but be advised there is a recognised rental shortage [5% vacancy] and potential renters are often in a bidding war for the house they want.
www.realestate.com.au
www.domain.com.au
Sydney housing has always been expensive, and not working there I could not recommended any suburbs. Melbourne's airport is north of the city, so start looking at Tullarmarine & surrounding suburbs if you want to be within 20 minutes drive. Brisbane's airport is fairly close to the city and some fairly expensive suburbs - try Clayfied, Hendra, Toombul, Northgate etc.
In Brisbane (where I work) you'll see that a 3 bedroom house with double garage and 600 sq. m's block in the suburbs I mentioned can set you back anywhere from $350,000 to $700,000.
The realestate website also lists rental properties, but be advised there is a recognised rental shortage [5% vacancy] and potential renters are often in a bidding war for the house they want.
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For those thinking of coming over, try this site
www.realestate.com.au
[brisbane is in Queensland, Sydney is in New South Wales, Melbourne is in Victoria]
Sydney has always had expensive real estate, so no surprises for ex-pats there. You may all be surprised to find out that Brisbane has mostly caught up with the southern states.
For Melbourne if you want to live within 20 minutes drive of work, try Tullamarine, Gladstone Park and surrounding suburbs.
Brisbane airport, (where I work) is relatively close to the city, and most suburbs within 20 mins are fairly expensive. Try "Hendra, Clayfield, Toombul, Pinkenba" - you'll see that a 3 bedroom house with 600 sq. mitre block will cost you anywhere from $350,000 to $750,000 (more bedrooms)
You can also look at the rental listings, but be aware that there is only a 5% vacancy rate and people often go into a bidding war for the house they want.
you could also try
www.domain.com.au
www.realestate.com.au
[brisbane is in Queensland, Sydney is in New South Wales, Melbourne is in Victoria]
Sydney has always had expensive real estate, so no surprises for ex-pats there. You may all be surprised to find out that Brisbane has mostly caught up with the southern states.
For Melbourne if you want to live within 20 minutes drive of work, try Tullamarine, Gladstone Park and surrounding suburbs.
Brisbane airport, (where I work) is relatively close to the city, and most suburbs within 20 mins are fairly expensive. Try "Hendra, Clayfield, Toombul, Pinkenba" - you'll see that a 3 bedroom house with 600 sq. mitre block will cost you anywhere from $350,000 to $750,000 (more bedrooms)
You can also look at the rental listings, but be aware that there is only a 5% vacancy rate and people often go into a bidding war for the house they want.
you could also try
www.domain.com.au
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I think the Brisbane Rental Vacancy Rate is actually a lot lower - closer to 2-3%. Recently have had tenants offer me 6 months rent paid in advance at 15% more rent than I was asking just to secure the lease - this was in an area 30 minutes drive from the airport.
Article on Brisbane Vacancy rates: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...2/s1819835.htm
Good suburbs in Sydney are whatever you can afford! Sydney airport is close to the city and beaches so surrounding suburbs are generally highly sought after and therefore valued. Median House price in Sydney is over $530K - however Sydney is a huge city - median house price in good areas within reasonable commuting distance of the airport would be closer to $7-800K+. (Some personal exposure to the what the market has been doing - 1BR Unit,Rushcutters Bay $650K, 2BR Unit Coogee $600K, 2 BR Terrace (Semi) Newtown $700K, 3BR Californian Bungalow Randwick $900K.)
Interesting Link: http://www.quartile.com.au/Market%20Data/sydney.htm
Perth - don't know much about it but this recent press suggests renting there may be a better option if you can find somewhere:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...1/s1819955.htm
Personally, I think a big correction is due in these markets because of the massive personal debt levels - it will be ugly, but should present some opportunities for those who are cashed up.
An interesting observation from some friends from Melbourne who spent 6 months living in the South of France in 2006, was that the cost of living was slightly less than in Melbourne over all - hmmm.
If you are escaping somewhere for the sake of personal security (as I think the majority of applicants to date are) then the house prices are probably not of any real concern in the short term - especially if you don't have any kids and don't need to worry about a big dwelling and school fees.
If you are thinking of coming from a stable country looking for a 'cheap' lifestyle in the sun, you would need to think long and hard about it - unless you just want to return home.
Article on Brisbane Vacancy rates: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...2/s1819835.htm
Good suburbs in Sydney are whatever you can afford! Sydney airport is close to the city and beaches so surrounding suburbs are generally highly sought after and therefore valued. Median House price in Sydney is over $530K - however Sydney is a huge city - median house price in good areas within reasonable commuting distance of the airport would be closer to $7-800K+. (Some personal exposure to the what the market has been doing - 1BR Unit,Rushcutters Bay $650K, 2BR Unit Coogee $600K, 2 BR Terrace (Semi) Newtown $700K, 3BR Californian Bungalow Randwick $900K.)
Interesting Link: http://www.quartile.com.au/Market%20Data/sydney.htm
Perth - don't know much about it but this recent press suggests renting there may be a better option if you can find somewhere:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...1/s1819955.htm
Personally, I think a big correction is due in these markets because of the massive personal debt levels - it will be ugly, but should present some opportunities for those who are cashed up.
An interesting observation from some friends from Melbourne who spent 6 months living in the South of France in 2006, was that the cost of living was slightly less than in Melbourne over all - hmmm.
If you are escaping somewhere for the sake of personal security (as I think the majority of applicants to date are) then the house prices are probably not of any real concern in the short term - especially if you don't have any kids and don't need to worry about a big dwelling and school fees.
If you are thinking of coming from a stable country looking for a 'cheap' lifestyle in the sun, you would need to think long and hard about it - unless you just want to return home.
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Good luck with ur applications - my only concern is that ATNS + ASA = co founders of organisations, = mates = agreements.
BOK=B'OK
....man this stuff is goooood...
N2N
PS BOK - once u've sold that mansion in CT - u can easily afford a house in OZ
Just the pool alone will buy a bungalo there.....
BOK=B'OK
....man this stuff is goooood...
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PS BOK - once u've sold that mansion in CT - u can easily afford a house in OZ
Just the pool alone will buy a bungalo there.....
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How about bying a boat a staying on that. The boat prices offcause varies alot, but is is possible to find a desent mooring, pricewise and location, or are lifeaboards almost a no/go as they are up here...
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Air Services Australia Abilities tests.
Hi, I have entered an application in response to the Global Recruitment drive for Controllers by ASA. They have said I will have to complete an Online Abilities Test early this year. Can anyone provide me with some idea of what the tests will involve?
I have been a Controller for 8 years so I presume it's not the same as the initial Cognative Abilities tests.
I have been a Controller for 8 years so I presume it's not the same as the initial Cognative Abilities tests.
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Air Services Vacancies???
How short of controllers are you guys? Is this just a tester campaign to tempt ex-pat aussies back to the fold or are you actually looking for international experienced controllers?
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They need somewhere near 90 rated ATCs within 2 years; they'll take as many experienced bodies as they can to save on training costs/time.
One of the problems is the move to 'service delivery lines'; juggling sector configurations and making people more 'specialised'; low level, high level (non radar) or radar only 'experts'. To do all that training we need more than standard, but we are about 40 short of standard right now!
The jobs will be perminent and under the Certified Agreement (like all operational ATCs); but it will be an interesting discussion regarding pay; they have a large pay scale proposed for this type of entry, one can only asume you'll start on the bottom and work upwards through it ('depending on experience', awsure); not very attractive if you are currently on more $$$ than they are offering you in 8 years time... But it's a lifestyle choice in the end anyway, you won't be coming here for the $$$, beacuse many other places offer much more of that.
If you were "targetted" in another industry, say the finance sector, would you really be expected after a 20 year career to enter at the pay level of someone who has been in for 3-4 years? It doesn't make sense; push hard on this if you are thinking of jumping a puddle; if it's universal that everyone 'claims the top pay level' they might get the message.
One of the problems is the move to 'service delivery lines'; juggling sector configurations and making people more 'specialised'; low level, high level (non radar) or radar only 'experts'. To do all that training we need more than standard, but we are about 40 short of standard right now!
The jobs will be perminent and under the Certified Agreement (like all operational ATCs); but it will be an interesting discussion regarding pay; they have a large pay scale proposed for this type of entry, one can only asume you'll start on the bottom and work upwards through it ('depending on experience', awsure); not very attractive if you are currently on more $$$ than they are offering you in 8 years time... But it's a lifestyle choice in the end anyway, you won't be coming here for the $$$, beacuse many other places offer much more of that.
If you were "targetted" in another industry, say the finance sector, would you really be expected after a 20 year career to enter at the pay level of someone who has been in for 3-4 years? It doesn't make sense; push hard on this if you are thinking of jumping a puddle; if it's universal that everyone 'claims the top pay level' they might get the message.