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You may not have much choice as to where you go anyway, but considering the climate in Europe, my personal opinion is that Melbourne would suit you better. I'm not going to start an argument over which city is better to live in, as they both have their good and bad points but while a lot of Australians consider Melbourne to be cold, by world standards and definately by European standards the climate is extremely mild. Not to forget Melbourne has the best food, coffee and sporting events in Australia (sorry couldn't help myself 
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... AirNoServicesAustralia... the temperature is one of the reasons for me to move actually 
Right now we have a supermild winter ( bugs and mosquitos etc are supposed to die, trees should lose their leaves and the coldness also protects them somehow - but that's not happening, people get stung by mosquitos, farmers need to start spraying instecticides, etc... ) with around 10°C but i am still freezing and running around with gloves and goose down jacket!
One year ago (Jan &Feb) I was in Cairns and Sydney and the temp was great.. and friends had been to Melbourne in July or August ... -2°c and even snowing one day... hmmm...
according to http://www.ausemade.com.au/ :
MELBOURNE:
BRISBANE:
posted on august 10 2005 on http://melbourne.metblogs.com/archiv...old_snap.phtml :
if you type snow and melbourne into google you will even find a website selling goose down blankets ...
i'd have to bring all my winter clothes, i'll need a cargo plane only for myself ..
Right now we have a supermild winter ( bugs and mosquitos etc are supposed to die, trees should lose their leaves and the coldness also protects them somehow - but that's not happening, people get stung by mosquitos, farmers need to start spraying instecticides, etc... ) with around 10°C but i am still freezing and running around with gloves and goose down jacket!
One year ago (Jan &Feb) I was in Cairns and Sydney and the temp was great.. and friends had been to Melbourne in July or August ... -2°c and even snowing one day... hmmm...
according to http://www.ausemade.com.au/ :
MELBOURNE:
BRISBANE:
posted on august 10 2005 on http://melbourne.metblogs.com/archiv...old_snap.phtml :
if you type snow and melbourne into google you will even find a website selling goose down blankets ...
i'd have to bring all my winter clothes, i'll need a cargo plane only for myself ..
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Hi thesunnysideup, they should contact us at the end of January. Concerning with the meeting, i suppose they'll make the same as the New Zealand, it means that they will choose a city of Europe where meet the applicants but it's just my thought. Anyway you,ve a companion regarding surf, i'll also have to start from the begin...it will be a pleasure, but what about the Australian boys looking with a smile to these two ridiculous european that are trying to stand up on a surf table?
oh and ....
.. i also posted something about the weather, for some reason it has to be activated by an admin .. it mainly said: melbourne is was too cold, see temperature charts and freeze ;-)
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just to let you folks know I spoke to ASA recruitment on friday and they have told me that they have recieved over 450 applications for approximately 30 - 35 expected positions, which is well over the 100 or so they expected (so just goes to show you how much they DON'T have their finger on the pulse). They, will begin vetting the applications over the next few weeks and intend to contact those that they shortlist late in January to early Feb.
I would expect they would shortlist to about 70 people.
Also, be aware that this company works on what costs them the least, so if they can minimise cost by taking the people that will cost them the least (includes both interview, moving and wage costs) then that is the way they will go.
It seems that quite a few RAAF controllers have applied so one could expect the majority of those will be shortlisted, which will put most of the overseas applicants out of the picture. sorry, not wanting to put a damper on your aspirations of moving to Australia, but just think you all need to know how this organisation works.
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I would expect they would shortlist to about 70 people.
Also, be aware that this company works on what costs them the least, so if they can minimise cost by taking the people that will cost them the least (includes both interview, moving and wage costs) then that is the way they will go.
It seems that quite a few RAAF controllers have applied so one could expect the majority of those will be shortlisted, which will put most of the overseas applicants out of the picture. sorry, not wanting to put a damper on your aspirations of moving to Australia, but just think you all need to know how this organisation works.
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Thanks Myway or the highway. Any info can be useful to us, i think that they will certainly short the list, it's a part of the game, if every one of us decide to make this choice, must consider also negative aspects, maybe should give more weight to these. I know that New Zealand made the meeting in Paris, but if u tell me so, i suppose that to short the list even more, they will make it in Australia for sure! 
Let's wait and see. Cheers
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I think maybe now they know there are in the s@#t for ATC numbers, they might look at RAAF people again. But considering how short of controllers the RAAF is, I expect the people at ministerial level would set a certain cap on how many AsA can take.
Sounds shonky, but while AsA is a 'wholly government owned company' they still take their direction from the government of the day. Maybe the RAAF should stop screwing around with the pay case. I remember it was 'all systems go' when I got my first rating in 1997........they were still waiting for it to get moving when I left in 2003......
And they wonder why people leave......
Best of luck to all the applicants from all over the world. As mentioned a few times, the grass might not be greener, but it tastes different! No better, no worse than others it seems.
And are there any tower jobs going? Lots of geographical choices there!
Cheers,
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PS. Thumbs up for either Melbourne or Brisbane - I'm in Melbourne myself. Feel free to PM me if you need any info.
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Hah! 97....try back to late 80's when the ball started rolling (or got pushed again!) on RAAF pay cases and associated conditions of service.
It will never change mate, we'll be Ppruning from our wheelchairs with the duty nurse typing our posts for us and things will still be the same!
Good luck to the gang though if they can get it sorted.
It will never change mate, we'll be Ppruning from our wheelchairs with the duty nurse typing our posts for us and things will still be the same!
Good luck to the gang though if they can get it sorted.
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So why are they doing a global search if they prefer RAAF anyway; it's more work for them to sort out all the applications, the foreign candidates would need a visa, there's more cost for moving from somwhere to oz, candidates maybe need more training because they have no clue about the airspace or anything - etc etc ..
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just one thing: RAAF is Australian, so people from RAAF could apply anytime, right?
So why are they doing a global search if they prefer RAAF anyway; it's more work for them to sort out all the applications, the foreign candidates would need a visa, there's more cost for moving from somwhere to oz, candidates maybe need more training because they have no clue about the airspace or anything - etc etc ..
So why are they doing a global search if they prefer RAAF anyway; it's more work for them to sort out all the applications, the foreign candidates would need a visa, there's more cost for moving from somwhere to oz, candidates maybe need more training because they have no clue about the airspace or anything - etc etc ..
Cheers,
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Myway or the highway you wrote about ASA advising you that they have recieved over 450 applications for approximately 30 - 35 expected positions,"
The 30-35 expected positions was this for all position ie enroute app area and tower? Any idea how many tower ATC required in the QLD area?
Thanks
The 30-35 expected positions was this for all position ie enroute app area and tower? Any idea how many tower ATC required in the QLD area?
Thanks
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From a recent newsletter:
National Recruitment Update
National Recruitment had very busy finish to 2006 and we have launched straight back into a hectic start to 2007!
In late 2006, Airservices launched a Global Search for experienced Air Traffic Controllers which received a very
large response. We are currently reviewing applications. Airservices Australia advertised nationally both in newspapers and online on Saturday 6 January, for ab initio Air Traffic Controller Training positions. So far we have received 324 new applications for the ab initio positions. We are encouraging candidates to apply by Sunday 21 January, to be considered for intakes later in 2007. We are also in the process of finalising decisions for the initial 2007 ATC ab initio enroute course. Interviewing will be conducted in Sydney this week and offers of employment are likely to be made at the end of January/early February.
Applications for the July 2007 Technical Trainee intake are still being accepted. If you know anyone interested, please tell them to apply. More information is available at http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...es/default.asp
This week first round interviews for the Airservices graduate positions are being conducted. Second round interviews will
be held in the next 2 weeks. or more information on all the positions available please see www.airservicesaustralia.com/employment
National Recruitment Update
National Recruitment had very busy finish to 2006 and we have launched straight back into a hectic start to 2007!
In late 2006, Airservices launched a Global Search for experienced Air Traffic Controllers which received a very
large response. We are currently reviewing applications. Airservices Australia advertised nationally both in newspapers and online on Saturday 6 January, for ab initio Air Traffic Controller Training positions. So far we have received 324 new applications for the ab initio positions. We are encouraging candidates to apply by Sunday 21 January, to be considered for intakes later in 2007. We are also in the process of finalising decisions for the initial 2007 ATC ab initio enroute course. Interviewing will be conducted in Sydney this week and offers of employment are likely to be made at the end of January/early February.
Applications for the July 2007 Technical Trainee intake are still being accepted. If you know anyone interested, please tell them to apply. More information is available at http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...es/default.asp
This week first round interviews for the Airservices graduate positions are being conducted. Second round interviews will
be held in the next 2 weeks. or more information on all the positions available please see www.airservicesaustralia.com/employment
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NOTICE TO ALL POTENTIAL RECRUITS TO ASA.
Donot let the bean counters of ASA dictate to you a salary.
Your experience is worth coin.
Yes we have a great lifestyle in Australia, but donot whore yourself.
Let the market forces set your salary (ASA is desperate, they are not doing you a favour by recruiting you, you are helping them out!!)
Any new recruits who come to Melbourne, welcome (as long as you are not a whore) look forward to having a reeb with you.
Donot let the bean counters of ASA dictate to you a salary.
Your experience is worth coin.
Yes we have a great lifestyle in Australia, but donot whore yourself.
Let the market forces set your salary (ASA is desperate, they are not doing you a favour by recruiting you, you are helping them out!!)
Any new recruits who come to Melbourne, welcome (as long as you are not a whore) look forward to having a reeb with you.
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Maybee there's a few spots here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=260723
Get the morning rush out of the way and be on the beach at Cottesloe by 1400H. Or Swanbourne....
Get the morning rush out of the way and be on the beach at Cottesloe by 1400H. Or Swanbourne....
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Hiya all.
Interesting read. Funny how the wheel turns (every 7 years they say). In 1994 NZ's Airways corporation interviewed 70 odd SA atc's (SA only had 145 odd at the time countrywide) and took 4. In perspective NZ had double the amount of SA atc's , half the amount of stations and a fraction of the movements. On the movement side , JNB APPR only had 11 controllers (ACC 18-20 Ctlr's) vs the movements per Controller that made them fairly busy, I am sure nothing has changed. Anyway in just over a year only ONE SA atc remained in NZ.
Well , what I am trying to say is wether or not ASA take how ever many SA ATC's , this is nothing new and ATNS won't change because of it (Just think of how many ATC's have left SA - and guess what the same issues of the last 20 years are still prevalent in SA! You can pay more money in SA, but that will not buy happiness, and also no matter what you read here some ATC's are quite happy in SA.
Quality of service is another debate and I sympathise with those Staalwarts holding up the fort.
At least we know SYD has the worlds 2nd best ATC's, and if you can't beat them.....
Interesting read. Funny how the wheel turns (every 7 years they say). In 1994 NZ's Airways corporation interviewed 70 odd SA atc's (SA only had 145 odd at the time countrywide) and took 4. In perspective NZ had double the amount of SA atc's , half the amount of stations and a fraction of the movements. On the movement side , JNB APPR only had 11 controllers (ACC 18-20 Ctlr's) vs the movements per Controller that made them fairly busy, I am sure nothing has changed. Anyway in just over a year only ONE SA atc remained in NZ.
Well , what I am trying to say is wether or not ASA take how ever many SA ATC's , this is nothing new and ATNS won't change because of it (Just think of how many ATC's have left SA - and guess what the same issues of the last 20 years are still prevalent in SA! You can pay more money in SA, but that will not buy happiness, and also no matter what you read here some ATC's are quite happy in SA.
Quality of service is another debate and I sympathise with those Staalwarts holding up the fort.
At least we know SYD has the worlds 2nd best ATC's, and if you can't beat them.....
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Keep in mind wideglide, noone is making you apply or making you move. It is up to you. There is much talk of movements and traffic levels. The sooner that people start to realise that work should be the bottom of the priority list in life the better. ATC the world around seems to have the same problems. If you think you will move and these will go, you will be disappointed.
Weigh up all of the other factors when making your decision. I can assure you that the other guys out in the break at your favourite beach on the Gold Coast really wont care that you handle 1000 movements a day only using 5 miles unless approach is open but your kids will enjoy not being shot and killed for their mobile phone and your daughter raped. Doom and gloom I know but I know where my tent will be pitched.
Weigh up all of the other factors when making your decision. I can assure you that the other guys out in the break at your favourite beach on the Gold Coast really wont care that you handle 1000 movements a day only using 5 miles unless approach is open but your kids will enjoy not being shot and killed for their mobile phone and your daughter raped. Doom and gloom I know but I know where my tent will be pitched.
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Keep in mind wideglide, noone is making you apply or making you move. It is up to you. There is much talk of movements and traffic levels. The sooner that people start to realise that work should be the bottom of the priority list in life the better. ATC the world around seems to have the same problems. If you think you will move and these will go, you will be disappointed.
Weigh up all of the other factors when making your decision. I can assure you that the other guys out in the break at your favourite beach on the Gold Coast really wont care that you handle 1000 movements a day only using 5 miles unless approach is open but your kids will enjoy not being shot and killed for their mobile phone and your daughter raped. Doom and gloom I know but I know where my tent will be pitched.
Weigh up all of the other factors when making your decision. I can assure you that the other guys out in the break at your favourite beach on the Gold Coast really wont care that you handle 1000 movements a day only using 5 miles unless approach is open but your kids will enjoy not being shot and killed for their mobile phone and your daughter raped. Doom and gloom I know but I know where my tent will be pitched.
For reference the 'break', at surfers is a dissapointment (ask any surfer from SA) and if your kids want a real education let them spend a schoolies weekend in the Gold Coast.
Best wishes to all who apply.
Swings and round-a-bouts - 'Nuff Said
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Geez DP you're bringing back some memories there. I spent my teenage years around the south coast (courtesy of a grand parent who lived at Palm Beach). You are indeed correct; Surfer's is for the tourists!!! Must get back that way some time and check it out - been a long time since I've ridden though; but then again I could just sit out the back and look like I know what I am doing!!!
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Just a small correction. I know of two ex SA atc's working in NZ.
As far as I can see the OZ atcs are paid about on par with the SA atcs.
The SA atcs are not chasing money in wanting to move to ASA but rather the same lifestyle in a safe enviroment. Movements don't really come in to it because I for one work to live and not live to work. And that doesn't mean I'm dispassionate about my work.
As far as I can see the OZ atcs are paid about on par with the SA atcs.
The SA atcs are not chasing money in wanting to move to ASA but rather the same lifestyle in a safe enviroment. Movements don't really come in to it because I for one work to live and not live to work. And that doesn't mean I'm dispassionate about my work.