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Albert Hall 19th November 2022 09:00

I can only imagine that morale in the place is at absolute rock bottom. Sorry state of affairs for those working there.

BA318 19th November 2022 09:04


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11333340)
I can only imagine that morale in the place is at absolute rock bottom. Sorry state of affairs for those working there.

I’m not sure. There seems to be a group of people, at least online, who continually say everything is great and going to plan despite the evidence clearly showing otherwise. However my old friend Bean has been very quiet…

SWBKCB 19th November 2022 09:26


who continually say everything is great and going to plan
They might know what the plan is... :ok:

SKOJB 19th November 2022 10:13

[QUOTE=SWBKCB;11333362]They might know what the plan is... :ok:[/QUOTE

there again, they might not! :ok:

bean 19th November 2022 10:43


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11333344)
I’m not sure. There seems to be a group of people, at least online, who continually say everything is great and going to plan despite the evidence clearly showing otherwise. However my old friend Bean has been very quiet…

I'm quiet because i'm heartily sick of contributing to this pointless forum. Look at my posting history I havent't posted since 29th June for christs sake
If you want to taunt me I will take appropriate action
GOODBYE

BA318 21st November 2022 18:52

Whatever was the problem with the fleet seems to be resolved today. Only cancellation was BHX-BHD-BHX.

willy wombat 21st November 2022 21:32

It might be an improvement but it’s hardly something to applaud. For a company the size of Flybe the norm should be zero cancellations.

Wycombe 21st November 2022 21:36


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 11334832)
It might be an improvement but it’s hardly something to applaud. For a company the size of Flybe the norm should be zero cancellations.

No airline has zero cancellations!

Yes, Flybe have had too many of late, but the record of other regionals (Emerald and Eastern especially spring to mind) is not a lot better of late.

willy wombat 22nd November 2022 07:32


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11334835)
No airline has zero cancellations!

Yes, Flybe have had too many of late, but the record of other regionals (Emerald and Eastern especially spring to mind) is not a lot better of late.

And that just sums up the acceptance of mediocrity. It is perfectly possible to run for weeks without any cancellations if you schedule appropriately, have adequate crew numbers, good engineering back up, etc. the bete noir tends to be the weather. An airline that shrugs its collective shoulders and just assumes it will have frequent cancellations will indeed have frequent cancellations.

Albert Hall 22nd November 2022 08:33

OAG publish on-time and cancellations data every month which is about as a fair a source as you'll get rather than these "this was cancelled today, this was cancelled yesterday" debate.

October data shows 55% on-time and a whopping 29% cancellation rate for Flybe, which has even dislodged Wizz Air from the bottom slot in the league table for cancellations (they were at 11%). Of the other regionals, Aurigny was at 18% cancellations - which I guess will be because Alderney was off air for several days? - Eastern at 5%, Loganair at 4% and Blue Islands at 1%.




Wycombe 22nd November 2022 10:38


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 11335047)
And that just sums up the acceptance of mediocrity. It is perfectly possible to run for weeks without any cancellations if you schedule appropriately, have adequate crew numbers, good engineering back up, etc. the bete noir tends to be the weather. An airline that shrugs its collective shoulders and just assumes it will have frequent cancellations will indeed have frequent cancellations.

I think more an acceptance of reality than mediocrity. Flights have been cancelled by pretty much every airline you could care to name over recent months (including BA for me personally, which meant late-notice cancellation of a planned weekend away)

However, those stats show that Flybe are not doing well, and as I look at FR24 right now I can see one a/c positioning from BHD to EXT on a maintenance c/s (could be planned, who knows) and another from LHR to BHD (having previously been on the ground in AMS for 5 days, which one would have to assume wasn't).

It's not great and even people who want to support the airline will lose faith in they can't rely on it.


BA318 22nd November 2022 11:28

Who is going to book with a carrier that currently cancels nearly 1 in 3 flights. Regardless of the reason thats a big problem. And just under half of flights are at least 15 mins late. The compensation alone must be costing a fortune especially on cancelled services where passengers can get a refund and €250 compensation.

brian_dromey 22nd November 2022 11:44


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11335177)
Who is going to book with a carrier that currently cancels nearly 1 in 3 flights. Regardless of the reason thats a big problem. And just under half of flights are at least 15 mins late. The compensation alone must be costing a fortune especially on cancelled services where passengers can get a refund and €250 compensation.

Indeed, the refund and compensation issue alone could drain the airline of significant funds. Apart from cancelling 1:3 flights, the timetable at BHD just isn't competitive with Emerald, so the only thing they have going for the are low fares. I have just had a quick look at BHD-LBA, both airline have fares available for Thursday morning for <£40. Emerald have 3 flights that day, flyBe one. Emerald have higher fares for the rest of the day and when they dont compete with flyBe. It doest take a genius to work out what's going on here....the only question is how deep flyBe's pockets are?
Have a look at EI fares for November and December on LBA-BHD on Sundays. Its over £300 each way on both flights. flyBe don't even fly LBA-BHD on Sundays. What Emerald looses on the sectors where they compete with flyBe they gain in spades on the sectors they don't compete on. flyBe don't have that ability. Or the commercial acumen to offer flights between NI and GB on a Sunday afternoon, a fairly peak time, in my experience.

davidjohnson6 22nd November 2022 11:45

A 29% cancellation rate (assuming this is true) means you have just a 50% chance of flying a round trip without significant problem.
Would really put me off if I can't afford to muck around with major delays

For those wondering 29% cancellation means 71% completion. 0.71 x 0.71 = 50.4%
I am assuming the 2 legs are independent and identically distributed

BA318 22nd November 2022 11:53


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11335188)
A 29% cancellation rate (assuming this is true) means you have just a 50% chance of flying a round trip without significant problem.
Would really put me off if I can't afford to muck around with major delays

For those wondering 29% cancellation means 71% completion. 0.71 x 0.71 = 50.4%
I am assuming the 2 legs are independent and identically distributed

OAG is a fairly trustworthy organisation. Given the past few weeks the Nov figures must be even worse.

JonnyH 22nd November 2022 17:59


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11335177)
Who is going to book with a carrier that currently cancels nearly 1 in 3 flights. Regardless of the reason thats a big problem. And just under half of flights are at least 15 mins late. The compensation alone must be costing a fortune especially on cancelled services where passengers can get a refund and €250 compensation.

I am chancing LHR-NCL on Tuesday next week. In all honesty, I know there’s a chance it’ll be cancelled, but they’re cheaper than the train and the late BA flight (now sold out) and the earlier one was £465 one way versus £70. And I know if they cancel I can pick up a train with the compensation so worth the risk.

They do have a market on some routes IMO although completely agree re Belfast and LHR-AMS too.

hec7or 22nd November 2022 20:09

Flew BHX-AMS the other day, on schedule, good crew and the dash was more refined than I was expecting - good price too. Was very pleasantly surprised.

Copenhagen 22nd November 2022 20:14

Newquay to Heathrow was cancelled tonight, and it seems that nobody told the passengers sitting at the gate in Heathrow, who found out about it on the Flybe website.


Diff Tail Shim 22nd November 2022 20:21

So looking forward to doing a running commentary on NCL pax numbers.


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