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USER0005 1st November 2022 18:15


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11323860)
Loganair are on MME-BHD and aren't pulling up any trees with an a/c half the size of the Dash. MME also has shorter train times to London than NCL. And is BE really competing with BA on NCL-LHR? Are they going to make money with a sinlge daily late afternoon flight from anywhere, let alone MME?

The answer to your final question is surely a resounding NO!

BHD2BFS 1st November 2022 18:21

Surely the company is losing a vast amount of money.
even for a start up how long can investors keep pumping money in and see a return anytime soon ?

BA318 1st November 2022 18:26

I’d just try and offer another BFS-LHR. At least then they would be at 3 daily on that and it makes them a bit more competitive. Or otherwise find somewhere with no LHR connection so at least they are the only option - Guernsey perhaps or Liverpool.

USER0005 1st November 2022 18:31


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11323876)
I’d just try and offer another BFS-LHR. At least then they would be at 3 daily on that and it makes them a bit more competitive. Or otherwise find somewhere with no LHR connection so at least they are the only option - Guernsey perhaps or Liverpool.

You meant BHD I imagine, and yes, that would have been a more logical decision.

BA318 1st November 2022 18:40


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11323877)
You meant BHD I imagine, and yes, that would have been a more logical decision.

yes sorry.

southamptonavgeek 1st November 2022 19:27


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11323771)
If it were simply a "slot scam" then why operate any routes at all that didn't include the apparently necessary LHR slots? It must be more than just the slots, otherwise they wouldn't need the quantity of airframes they have taken on, along with the staffing costs.

I am not usually one to entertain the possibility of a "slot scam", but would it be possible that Cyrus were trying to recoup their losses from the original Flybe through two schemes - the selling of the Heathrow slots and of the airline entity itself once a slot sale was achieved? Thus, even if one was to be unsuccessful (likely the latter!) they would still have made a respectable sum.

N123JB 1st November 2022 22:54

This is not a serious outfit. It's a group of investors who've been lucky enough to keep hold of an airline brand, some nice slots as LHR, and some neat little incentives from UK regional airports. As soon as the availability of LHR slots goes back to how it was pre-COVID, these guys will begin asset stripping: make a tidy profit on the sale of the slots and put all the bits they don't want into liquidation.

Sharklet7 2nd November 2022 07:21


Originally Posted by Alteagod (Post 11323849)
If I was to pluck City pairs out-of-the-air from BHD for BE to try and lose money on it would be
NWI
BOH
SEN
HUM
ORK
SNN
CFN

Do you not think Southend or Cork would have potential in the future? Have heard discussions of another turbo prop operation considering Belfast to Cork route

Albert Hall 2nd November 2022 07:46


Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek (Post 11323899)
I am not usually one to entertain the possibility of a "slot scam", but would it be possible that Cyrus were trying to recoup their losses from the original Flybe through two schemes - the selling of the Heathrow slots and of the airline entity itself once a slot sale was achieved? Thus, even if one was to be unsuccessful (likely the latter!) they would still have made a respectable sum.

The Heathrow slots were part of a competition remedy so can’t be traded. The only way they can change hands is if the airline itself is sold with the slots within it.

BA318 10th November 2022 15:28

More cuts:

Gurnard 10th November 2022 16:00

Please enlighten us.

BHD2BFS 10th November 2022 20:04

Will they be deploying the aircraft elsewhere ?
maybe they have new routes to come?

Whispering Giant 11th November 2022 06:43

Or maybe they’ve realised that they don’t have sufficient aircraft for their planned for increase in scheduled flights due to late deliveries or late release from maintenance, and it is easier to do a planned cancellation rather cancelling on the day with all the associated costs such as EU261 etc.

BA318 11th November 2022 07:23


Originally Posted by Whispering Giant (Post 11328923)
Or maybe they’ve realised that they don’t have sufficient aircraft for their planned for increase in scheduled flights due to late deliveries or late release from maintenance, and it is easier to do a planned cancellation rather cancelling on the day with all the associated costs such as EU261 etc.

Again? They announced they didn’t have enough aircraft for their IOM flights and then two days later announced two new routes with the same timings.

Wycombe 11th November 2022 07:48

The 7th Q400 (FLBB) was delivered to BHX yesterday, and is due in service today apparently.

The current schedule (which admittedly excludes BHX to EDI and GLA) appears to have operated without too many issues with 6 a/c over the last few weeks, which leads me to suspect commercial decisions are behind the latest reductions rather than shortage of aircraft. Who knows what happens next? :bored:

ara01jbb 13th November 2022 05:12

LBA-LHR suspended.
BHD-SOU suspended from 24 Nov - Feb.
BHD-MAN/LBA/EMA all reduced to 1 x daily.

Source: https://simpleflying.com/flybe-winte...ft-deliveries/

SWBKCB 13th November 2022 06:25

Same press release cut and pasted here - shame how none of these journalists ask why the late delivery of aircraft stops you operating routes you're already flying (or launching new routes...)

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2022-11...aft-deliveries

The Ex Flyer 13th November 2022 12:35

Flybe MK2 reminds me of the slow painful death of bmi in its final years, with failing routes, cancelled routes not sure what the airline should do, no direction. Flybe MK1 played games, especially with CWL pushing CityJet off the somewhat successful routes.
Passengers want reliable services and looking at Flybe it is all over the place. It should start non competitive network of routes, say CWL which I believe did well with EDI, CDG, DUB and get that right, before starting routes all over the country.

The breeze 14th November 2022 01:06


Originally Posted by The Ex Flyer (Post 11330241)
Flybe MK2 reminds me of the slow painful death of bmi in its final years, with failing routes, cancelled routes not sure what the airline should do, no direction. Flybe MK1 played games, especially with CWL pushing CityJet off the somewhat successful routes.
Passengers want reliable services and looking at Flybe it is all over the place. It should start non competitive network of routes, say CWL which I believe did well with EDI, CDG, DUB and get that right, before starting routes all over the country.


Ryanair are on Dublin. Logan are on Edinburgh.


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