In most cases, they didn’t. Few people over on Twitter were threatening legal action for claims over 90 days..

I must admit, despite this being incredibly sad for all of the staff involved, that this was to be expected.

I travelled on business on the LHR-NCL route twice and NCL-LHR once in the short time the route was operating. At no point, was the load factor higher than 13. Even on one flight, the crew member I spoke to said they were advised it was to hold the LHR slot. For an airline losing £5m per month and continuing to do this is completely negligent. They were around 40% load factor on BHD-NCL-BHD but the whole rotation must have been losing them £100k per week, at the very least.

in terms of my previous post about compensation, there are a number of people who has been chasing compensation payments that were exceeding 90 days. There are also other stories of those who travelled with Flybe regularly who had numerous flights cancelled and hadn’t received the refunds for these either.

in terms of a buyout, as I can see the administrators are encouraging this, no serious operator or investor will touch this operation with a barge pole.

It doesn’t matter all were BA remedy slots !
They have no value to Flybe administrators or their creditors as they can’t be sold on
They return to BA(IAG) pool until someone else wants to try Aberdeen Edinburgh Nice Moscow Cairo or Saudi or convince the regulators to vary the GBNI/EU points
Technically the GBNI/EU variation should only come into play after 6 completed IATA scheduled seasons however Flybe 2.0 somehow managed to convince the regulators somewhat earlier due to prior ops of Flybe 1.Moscow is also off the table for other reasons right now
Caveat Nice may have been removed from the list as AirFrance now compete with a daily domestic configured 320 each morning a route they codeshared with bmi back in the day

All BE staff were paid for the month of January

Thats a positive as few/none will be eligible for any statutory redundancy

Thats good. I correct my earlier statement. Apologies for the incorrect info. Hopefully the frontline staff walk quickly into other jobs.

Which slots did FlyBe use for those "non-remedy-slots"-destnations like NCL, NQY?

They were all remedy slots. Apparently these had been released for other UK/EU destinations when "Flybe One" entered administration in 2020 but by a matter of days or weeks.

The only thing I will say here is that it is very noticeable that no one is talking about a gap in the market and an opportunity now that flybe has gone bust again. To me that is telling, the market is in recovery mode and the strongest survivors will have to work hard to make money. Loganair has 60 years and a brand that even though it was subsumed as BA then later flybe is still very strong and came back well, and Emerald of course has Aer Lingus. Alongside whetever Eastern is doing this week, that's probably going to be a good presence until the next boom in air travel IMHO.

As to flybe2, the most telling line was the Administrators saying that if anyone wants the LHR slots they'd have to buy a bankrupt airline. I suspect that was the #CunningMasterplan all along, be a massive pain in the a*** to the competition so they'd buy you out just for some sanity.

Yes I think a very few routes might get picked up or additional frequencies from existing carriers on the routes but I doubt there will be feeding frenzy

Other than possible access to slots, what exactly would you be buying - the brand, goodwill?

Regardless of what happened with BE2, the CEO is right in that there is still a need for someone to provide competition in the UK domestic market. Despite giants like Easy and Ryan, according to the CAA stats, IAG seem to be holding about 47% of the market in terms of Seat Km available on domestic routes with an almost monopoly on some. Easy may offer one off flights i.e. the stag/ hen late flight out of BHD to LPL but there is still a need for someone to take on IAG's grip on the multi rotation business routes.

IAG isn''t an airline. There's no overlap between BA's LHR hub operation and Aer Lingus Regional routes to the UK. easyJet compete out of BFS with EI at BHD, that's not insubstatial. I don't see there being room for another turboprop operator.
BA have EZY competing on Scotland to London, I don't see how anyone actually taking on BA into LHR can win. It's just not viable, Virgin and latterly flybe just lost money as runners up. That doesn't mean London is a BA monopoly, just that out of LHR, it's obviously a strong (and likely unbeatable) offering IMHO.

Same goes for BA CityFlyer out of LCY, FR at STN and EZY out of LGW.

No, but they will be entitled to a protective award. Redundancy without consultation - and be paid their notice period, which will usually be 3 months salary for all flying roles made redundant. Takes 12-18 months to get this money, and because the company is in administration and without funds, it gets paid by the Redundancy Payments Office (so taxpayers footing the bill)

What makes it complicated this time is that with Flybe1 - most people had Union representation, Balpa, Unite etc and they brought the claim. This time Flybe2 had no union recognition, or Company Council, or collective bargaining. So unless the employees were Balpa members on their own, someone will have to take on the case for them.

What percentage of BA pax are actually going to London? For these, rail is the competitor and for the rest, KL. AF, EK, LH, etc...

I was just commenting on the lack of competition generally. Have a look at booking a flight from BHD to MAN this Friday. :rolleyes:

Agreed. Where would you even begin these days as a start up? You're not going to be able to offer the same perks which attracts the BA gold card holders and you're not going to be large enough either to truly compete with the low cost airlines on economies of scale and efficiencies. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

A tightly run ship probably could make small margins in other areas of the country with regional flying but the returns are minimal. Look at Loganair - a 3% profit margin and , actually, their scheduled flying ops lost them money.

It's tough out there.

I think you are wrong on some of those points specifically award without notice

To confirm a status in the first place requires a judgement via tribunal ( that s one of the advantages of union membership 👍🏼)

Award payment if authorised is £571 per week max or prorated and any already paid monies and holiday entitlement is deducted

And all subject to the contractual notice period and through I can’t find it there must be a minimum qualifying period before eligibility

No one can expect 3 months salary in this case even the max payment is capped at eight weeks

With current abysmal contracts of employment there is every likelihood of just 1 weeks notice and any prorated holiday entitlement being what’s owed less the 5 days already paid to end January

Was it true the Flybe v.2 crew signed an NDA to not talk about they’re wages etc.

Does that still stand if the airline has gone under?