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Does tui have plans to increase operation at bfs? |
And any plans to expand EDI/GLA?
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
(Post 10595630)
And any plans to expand EDI/GLA?
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BRS has a based 787 in S20 and it is currently planned to operate a mix of short, mid and long-haul flights:
Mon: LPA / BOJ Tue: CUN Wed:PMI/ LCA Thu: SFB Fri: CUN Sat: PMI / DLM Sun: HER / AYT |
Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
(Post 10595630)
And any plans to expand EDI/GLA?
I'm always surprised that they don't offer a substantial longhaul program from Edinburgh. They steal a 787 from another base to provide just four weeks of trips to Florida and Mexico. |
Originally Posted by inOban
(Post 10595727)
TCX didn't operate out of EDI (OK, think they offered some destinations using EZY and in S18 they offered Antalya ? on a W pattern.)
I'm always surprised that they don't offer a substantial longhaul program from Edinburgh. They steal a 787 from another base to provide just four weeks of trips to Florida and Mexico. |
Originally Posted by Severn
(Post 10595659)
BRS has a based 787 in S20 and it is currently planned to operate a mix of short, mid and long-haul flights:
Mon: LPA / BOJ Tue: CUN Wed:PMI/ LCA Thu: SFB Fri: CUN Sat: PMI / DLM Sun: HER / AYT |
Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
(Post 10595861)
Great for BRS. But little to no difference to S19. I think this summer a 78 went to Cape Verde.
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738 made a Regular trip to Cape Verde from BRS |
Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
(Post 10595925)
Why are you always so negative on this thread? Maybe your username implies an allegiance to another company but being so down on everything on this thread is getting tiring.
Id also like to point out my previous post was simply responding to someone who said the PR of 2,000,000 extra seats (which a further post up there has pointed out it’s not mathematically possible without significant aircraft acquisitions) maybe a clear message to Jet2. I, quite rightly, pointed out I doubt at as it was a PR exercise and that’s it. There has been little proof of this expansion yet! Flip reverse it and Jet2 today have put some significant expansion out of MAN and further out of LBA and BHX and a new route. The announcement, apart from the LBA news, is yet to happen. TUI have shouted but are yet to put it on sale. Im Yorkshire bloke, im Leeds based so obviously I appreciate Jet2 as it’s good for the local economy. However I understand the aviation industry (which I have a degree in) to understand competition is always good. I want TUI to expand and give Jet2 competition. Oh and just for the record - id love a 4th based unit at DSA |
Originally Posted by EZYMAN
(Post 10595935)
738 made a Regular trip to Cape Verde from BRS |
Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
(Post 10595979)
that I didn’t know. Interesting - didn’t think a 738 could do that? I know a 757 would eat the BRS-Cape Verde route for breakfast. Did it tech stop? It is currently back on the 757 and has been since the beginning of October due to fewer routes this month. I’m not sure what the plans are for W19 at BRS but could well return to the 738 in November, |
would have thought well within 738 range. Isnt it similar to some of the Egypt routes? And 788 seems overkill. |
Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
(Post 10595975)
Why is pointing out little difference to the previous summer negative may I ask? It’s brilliant for the local economy and airport of BRS that TUI plan to station a 787 for the whole of summer 2020 and proves the market can sustain the 787. Brilliant for TUI good for the airport. I don’t get how I’m been negative on this. It’s not like it’s something brand new for the airport in S20 I’m just saying little difference to the S19. Id also like to point out my previous post was simply responding to someone who said the PR of 2,000,000 extra seats (which a further post up there has pointed out it’s not mathematically possible without significant aircraft acquisitions) maybe a clear message to Jet2. I, quite rightly, pointed out I doubt at as it was a PR exercise and that’s it. There has been little proof of this expansion yet! Flip reverse it and Jet2 today have put some significant expansion out of MAN and further out of LBA and BHX and a new route. The announcement, apart from the LBA news, is yet to happen. TUI have shouted but are yet to put it on sale. Im Yorkshire bloke, im Leeds based so obviously I appreciate Jet2 as it’s good for the local economy. However I understand the aviation industry (which I have a degree in) to understand competition is always good. I want TUI to expand and give Jet2 competition. Oh and just for the record - id love a 4th based unit at DSA Yes the 2m thing is a massive pr exercise, but it will be backed up or they are going to look pretty stupid. Theres already an increase on 3rd party seats coming online and I suspect a larger amount to come. There will be additional airframes coming, the pilot recruitment shows that, but from where no one is sure yet. Dont forget the sad demise of thomas cook has brought TUI a lot of work to do. Sorting end of summer 19 bookings on Thomas cook flights, then winter 19 flights, that along side the max issues, End of leases etc. Its amazing they're expanding at all as the german mothership is renowned for being conservative. Give it a couple of weeks to see what gets announced rather than getting negative right from the off. |
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10596000)
would have thought well within 738 range. Isnt it similar to some of the Egypt routes? And 788 seems overkill. i suspect this winter the 763 will rotate through Verde. 788 to Verde - was this when Turkey suffered a little decline? |
Originally Posted by Severn
(Post 10595659)
BRS has a based 787 in S20 and it is currently planned to operate a mix of short, mid and long-haul flights:
Mon: LPA / BOJ Tue: CUN Wed: PMI/ LCA Thu: SFB Fri: CUN Sat: PMI / DLM Sun: HER / AYT
Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
(Post 10595975)
Why is pointing out little difference to the previous summer negative may I ask? It’s brilliant for the local economy and airport of BRS that TUI plan to station a 787 for the whole of summer 2020 and proves the market can sustain the 787. Brilliant for TUI good for the airport. I don’t get how I’m been negative on this. It’s not like it’s something brand new for the airport in S20 I’m just saying little difference to the S19. There is some expansion at BRS for summer 2020 over summer 2019 in terms of the Boeing 787-8. In 2019 the aircraft was 'based' for five days each week - the current plans for next summer are for it to be there every day of the week as Severn has indicated. Summer 2019 saw this programme: Tuesday: Cancun Wednesday: Dalaman Thursday: Dubrovnik, Larnaca Friday: Sanford Saturday: Cancun The long-haul programme remains the same (3 per week) in 2020 but short-haul has been increased from 3 per week to 8 per week. |
Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
(Post 10596021)
There is some expansion at BRS for summer 2020 over summer 2019 in terms of the Boeing 787-8. In 2019 the aircraft was 'based' for five days each week - the current plans for next summer are for it to be there every day of the week as Severn has indicated.
Summer 2019 saw this programme: Tuesday: Cancun Wednesday: Dalaman Thursday: Dubrovnik, Larnaca Friday: Sanford Saturday: Cancun The long-haul programme remains the same (3 per week) in 2020 but short-haul has been increased from 3 per week to 8 per week. |
Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
(Post 10596021)
There is some expansion at BRS for summer 2020 over summer 2019 in terms of the Boeing 787-8. In 2019 the aircraft was 'based' for five days each week - the current plans for next summer are for it to be there every day of the week as Severn has indicated.
Summer 2019 saw this programme: Tuesday: Cancun Wednesday: Dalaman Thursday: Dubrovnik, Larnaca Friday: Sanford Saturday: Cancun The long-haul programme remains the same (3 per week) in 2020 but short-haul has been increased from 3 per week to 8 per week. |
Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
(Post 10596008)
Because every time anyone posts anything you talk it down. Whether it's because your a realist or just being negative I genuinely dont know, but to me it comes across negative.
Yes the 2m thing is a massive pr exercise, but it will be backed up or they are going to look pretty stupid. Theres already an increase on 3rd party seats coming online and I suspect a larger amount to come. There will be additional airframes coming, the pilot recruitment shows that, but from where no one is sure yet. Dont forget the sad demise of thomas cook has brought TUI a lot of work to do. Sorting end of summer 19 bookings on Thomas cook flights, then winter 19 flights, that along side the max issues, End of leases etc. Its amazing they're expanding at all as the german mothership is renowned for being conservative. Give it a couple of weeks to see what gets announced rather than getting negative right from the off. TUI have a reputation at my local airport for announcing programmes and then canning them.Or adding a route then sending all booked customers to MAN and canning that route. Maybe I’m a realist because of that. Like I’ve said before we shall see. And I can’t wait to see what they are going to offer, but I’d rather the PR be done after the work. |
Originally Posted by azz767
(Post 10596065)
was this done on a long haul 787 with premium or a short haul one with all economy? Great for some pax if it was in a long haul config |
Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
(Post 10596011)
BRS has a short runway and typical weather to LBA - only advantage is into wind. I’ve never seen TUI use a 738 on UK-Cape Verde routes. i suspect this winter the 763 will rotate through Verde. 788 to Verde - was this when Turkey suffered a little decline? |
Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10596162)
. I think with BVC, they are pretty much stuck with the 757 if they want to go non-stop both ways; the 738 can’t do the inbound to the UK and I don’t think the airport can accommodate wide-bodies – correct me if I’m wrong. I believe the 763 will be going into BVC 5x per week this Winter, including 3x from Scandinavia. |
Summer 2021 May-Oct 2021
Just seen a report that TUI will put the above on sale next month on the 7th nov Should be interesting to what they have planned |
Originally Posted by azz767
(Post 10596065)
was this done on a long haul 787 with premium or a short haul one with all economy? Great for some pax if it was in a long haul config A 9 series was occasionally substituted for an 8 this summer - presumably because of unavailability - and on the 14 June, for example, a 9 series flew to Sanford non-stop, according to FR24. The scheduled 8 series was stuck in Larnaca at that time. In a report dated 16 July this year Routesonline reported that both BRS-CUN and BRS-SFB will be operated by a 9 series through most of April next year. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...routes-in-w19/ |
B787s in S20
The 2x new B787s due before S20 have already been allocated to LGW and MAN, 1x at each. LGW will then require 6x B787s to be based and 4x will be required at MAN (one of which will operate from DSA 2x days a week). Both bases see the aircraft operate a mix of long and short haul. 1x aircraft will be based at BRS, operating long and short haul. 1x aircraft will be based at BHX, operating only long haul. 1x aircraft will be shared between NCL (2x or 4x days per week) and GLA (4x or 2x days per week), plus BHX (1x day per week) operating only long haul flights. 1x aircraft (usually a B787-9) is then kept as a operational spare (seemed to be MAN based during S19) Given the TCX situation this may all now change, but this is how the timetable currently stands. |
Originally Posted by Severn
(Post 10596967)
B787s in S20
The 2x new B787s due before S20 have already been allocated to LGW and MAN, 1x at each. LGW will then require 6x B787s to be based and 4x will be required at MAN (one of which will operate from DSA 2x days a week). Both bases see the aircraft operate a mix of long and short haul. 1x aircraft will be based at BRS, operating long and short haul. 1x aircraft will be based at BHX, operating only long haul. 1x aircraft will be shared between NCL (2x or 4x days per week) and GLA (4x or 2x days per week), plus BHX (1x day per week) operating only long haul flights. 1x aircraft (usually a B787-9) is then kept as a operational spare (seemed to be MAN based during S19) Given the TCX situation this may all now change, but this is how the timetable currently stands. Im a bit surprised that the GLA/NCL 787 is also due to be operating from BHX once a week – seems a tad inefficient to ferry it all the way down there just to go back up again. Did TCX fly long-haul from BHX? If not, I’d wager that possibly the day at BHX may be switched to GLA to cover lost TCX l/h capacity there. Just my thoughts, probably won’t happen. |
Surely this should be Winter 2020/2021, seeing as their website only goes up to October 2020. Bit early for Summer 2021....
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summer 2021 launch
Originally Posted by Tomexmyt
(Post 10597852)
Surely this should be Winter 2020/2021, seeing as their website only goes up to October 2020. Bit early for Summer 2021....
Companies are wanting folk to book ahead - Cunard have just opened 2021 cruise sales and some cabins are sold out already on some voyages. |
Originally Posted by Tomexmyt
(Post 10597852)
Surely this should be Winter 2020/2021, seeing as their website only goes up to October 2020. Bit early for Summer 2021....
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Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10598231)
Nope, pretty sure they did the same last year. Essentially they ‘provisionally’ released S20 in Nov 2018 but I believe they made some changes until spring 2019 when they previously would’ve released the following summer’s flights. |
GLA appears to be getting a dedicated 787 with CUN now showing 4x weekly, SFB x2 and weekly to MBJ.
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Sure that isn't just peak school holidays? As that's been the case for a few weeks in July for a couple of years.
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Originally Posted by FlyingScotland
(Post 10599136)
GLA appears to be getting a dedicated 787 with CUN now showing 4x weekly, SFB x2 and weekly to MBJ.
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Some new S20 destinations showing for NCL , JTR & JSI. Taking a WED in S20 AM departures showing 4x Based +1 on S19
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TUI S20 Increases
So far I make the changes to be: Short-haul a/c BRS +2 GLA +1 (plus potential full time 787?) NCL +1 DSA +1 BHX +1 (?) BOH +0.4 approx EXT +0.4 approx LGW/MAN ?? Other bases ?? With regards to the BOH/EXT increases, I have not personally checked the website, but have read from others that each bases will see an additional a/c 3 days per week. Originally the plan seemed to be that BOH would take a LTN a/c from Fri-Sun. Provided this is still the case, perhaps EXT will take one of the extra BRS a/c from Mon-Wed? Another possibility is that one a/c is used exclusively for the BOH/EXT increases, moving between the two bases. Please correct me or fill in the gaps in my knowledge by addressing the question marked areas above or any other points people have picked up. |
Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10600538)
Another possibility is that one a/c is used exclusively for the BOH/EXT increases, moving between the two bases |
On a side note, G-OOBG looks to have been wfu for the second time this morning. It flew from GLA-DGX and has been replaced at GLA by G-TAWA, alongside G-TAWO. |
Looking at Summer 2020 the Luton (HQ) operation looks tiny in comparison to recent years. I know this year was scaled back, but next year looks to be a handful of destinations at best, with what looks like just a single based airplane? Changing times. |
Originally Posted by pamann
(Post 10600632)
Looking at Summer 2020 the Luton (HQ) operation looks tiny in comparison to recent years. I know this year was scaled back, but next year looks to be a handful of destinations at best, with what looks like just a single based airplane? Changing times. I reckon there’s a good chance this will be reduced to a single 737 next summer. |
It looks like GLA and NCL will lose all of their w-patterns from ABZ next summer as these will no longer be needed with the addition of a based a/c at both. These included PMI on Tue and Sat, DLM on Thu and CFU on Fri. After a quick look at the website, these flights are still showing as outward w-patterns from ABZ. I can’t see where they are ‘w-ing’ to at the moment but it’s possible this hasn’t been decided/updated yet. Perhaps some growth at other bases will come from the likes of this as opposed to additional based a/c. |
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