Summer 2020
New route boh to zante increased frequency boh to corfu (1 to 2 weekly) |
Originally Posted by FR8364
(Post 10448681)
It seems TUI is dropping contract with Norwegian. Loads of flights base LGW in the beginning scheduled to operate by Norwegian (D8), now appearing as Thomson Airways (BY) in the last days.
I wonder how TUI will manage this fleet issue, absorbing D8 flights as well as 737 MAX grounding... |
I have been looking at some flights from Greece to UK and although the Tui site during booking does not specify what aircraft is being used,apart from 787 cases, i was wondering when it's denoted with "extra-legroom" seats as opposed to not saying anything at all, are we to assume that the first case concerns 757 and 767 a/c but the latter just 738s?
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Originally Posted by mariofly12
(Post 10449089)
I have been looking at some flights from Greece to UK and although the Tui site during booking does not specify what aircraft is being used,apart from 787 cases, i was wondering when it's denoted with "extra-legroom" seats as opposed to not saying anything at all, are we to assume that the first case concerns 757 and 767 a/c but the latter just 738s?
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Dreamliner Changes Summer 20
Looks as if BRS will have a B787 based full time in Summer 20 operating the following departures:
Mon 0600 LPA 1645 BOJ Tue 0930 CUN Wed 0910 PMI 1510 DLM Thu 1215 SFB Fri 0945 CUN Sat 0925 PMI 1655 DLM Sun 0705 HER 1730 AYT Positive gain for BRS but with only actually 3 long-haul a week (1 SFB and 2 CUN), I can't help but feel this is a bit of a wasted use for the B787. I can see the justification for the odd short-haul maybe from the likes of LGW or MAN to fill in any gaps between long-haul rotations or positioners between bases. I don't wish to start any airport battles, but I do find it rather unreal that long-haul from the likes of STN and EMA has been canned in favour of long-haul from DSA and flying a B787 mid-week from BRS to Spain! |
Originally Posted by FRatSTN
(Post 10449125)
Looks as if BRS will have a B787 based full time in Summer 20 operating the following departures:
Mon 0600 LPA 1645 BOJ Tue 0930 CUN Wed 0910 PMI 1510 DLM Thu 1215 SFB Fri 0945 CUN Sat 0925 PMI 1655 DLM Sun 0705 HER 1730 AYT Positive gain for BRS but with only actually 3 long-haul a week (1 SFB and 2 CUN), I can't help but feel this is a bit of a wasted use for the B787. I can see the justification for the odd short-haul maybe from the likes of LGW or MAN to fill in any gaps between long-haul rotations or positioners between bases. I don't wish to start any airport battles, but I do find it rather unreal that long-haul from the likes of STN and EMA has been canned in favour of long-haul from DSA and flying a B787 mid-week from BRS to Spain! |
TUI have decided to base a 787 all week at BRS in Summer 2020, up from 5x days a week in summer 2019. Some have questioned why they are basing one there, especially when it is planned to operate so many short-haul flights.
I wasn't sure as to how TUI utilise their 787 fleet, and how many short-haul flights TUI operate on their 787s in comparison to long-haul. It turns out over a ¼ of the 787 fleet operate short-haul flights each week in the summer months. Below is a summary of how TUI uses their 787s across it's network in August 2019 (before the MAX crisis hit)... TUI has a fleet of 12x 787s (8x 787-8s and 4x 787-9s) in 2019. 11x aircraft are needed for the weekly schedule in August 2019, with 1x spare. 5x are required at LGW 3x are required at MAN 1x is required at BHX 2x are required between: BRS (5x days a week) GLA (2/4x days a week - alternates each week with NCL) NCL (2/4x days a week - alternates each week with GLA) EMA (2x days a week) DSA (1x day a week) The only airports that the 787 operate shorthaul flights are LGW, MAN and BRS. Out of the 5x aircraft required at LGW, most days require 3x to operate the long-haul schedule and 2x to operate the short-haul schedule. However a Tuesday sees 1x aircraft operate long-haul and 4x operate short-haul. Out of the 3x aircraft required at MAN, most days require 2x to operate the long-haul schedule and 1x to operate the short-haul schedule. However a Monday sees 1x aircraft operate long-haul and 2x operate short-haul. The BHX aircraft only operates long-haul flights, operating every day. The BRS aircraft operates 2x days long-haul and 3x days short-haul. TUI clearly is happy to use their 787s on short-haul flights more than people might think, with a ¼ or more of their 787 fleet operating short-haul flights each week from LGW, MAN and BRS throughout summer 2019. When it comes to numbers; TUI can operate 2x short-haul flights each day instead of 1x long-haul flight. I don't know the exact figures, but I'm sure a 787 full of long-haul punters doesn't make double the income for TUI than a 787 full of short-haul punters, which it can operate twice a day? Clearly the bean counters see a good reason to use the 787s on so many short-haul flights! |
Originally Posted by azz767
(Post 10449141)
I can’t think they’d need the premium seats at BRS. BRS's outperformance is by coincidence being discussed in the Bristol Airport thread today. In summer 2019 a TUI B787 will operate these routes from BRS. Tue CUN Wed DLM Thur DBV/LCA Fri SFB Sat CUN So summer 2020 will not be the first year that a B787 will operate short-haul routes from the airport. It might be partly down to fewer available seats on the narrow-bodied aircraft given that the airport's two based B757s are being withdrawn leaving it with four B738s instead of two B757s and two B738s as has been the case in recent summers. |
New Route
Newcastle - Agadir 1x Weekly Summer 20 |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10449094)
The 737s do have extra legroom seats i believe as they are offered on CWL flights which is all 737.
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Originally Posted by mariofly12
(Post 10449204)
It is not stated during booking on all flights,so i assumed where it's not a 737 is operated,otherwise what is the difference where it s stated and where it isnt?
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Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10449213)
Perhaps it’s not shown when the extra legroom seats sell out? In my experience they sell quickly. |
The flights i was looking were out of LGW,MAN though..
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Originally Posted by mariofly12
(Post 10450015)
The flights i was looking were out of LGW,MAN though..
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Jethro's is saying that TUI is leasing 3xA321 from Olympus Airways. That will be based at Manchester from End Apr 2019 - Mid July 2019.
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Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10450037)
As I said, I’m pretty sure the reason these won’t be showing is that the extra legroom seats have already sold (there aren’t many on 738 flights). Or it could also be a possibility that these flights may be on leased aircraft (I don’t believe we yet know what their plans are regarding additional summer leases are for MAX cover). On the Olympus frames, 2 are former MON a/c ex G-MARA and ex G-OJEG |
Originally Posted by azz767
(Post 10450348)
Per jethros as of only a few minutes ago, 3 A321's from Greek Airline Olympus - - -
On the Olympus frames, 2 are former MON a/c ex G-MARA and ex G-OJEG |
Originally Posted by sixchannel
(Post 10450498)
I love Irony. Wonder if they still sport the 50/50 Monarch/Olympus livery.
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When does TUI release their Summer 2020 full-flying programme officially?
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About 6 months ago. |
Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10455287)
When does TUI release their Summer 2020 full-flying programme officially?
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Originally Posted by dmouse88
(Post 10442451)
According to flt mapper it should be a TUI boeing 737-8 although the flight on the 1st april was a 757.
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Sunwing arrival
See the first of the 5 to be UK based for Summer 2019 is on it's way
C-GNCH routing to Norwich via Aberdeen does anyone know who carrying out the maintenance on these whilst over here was Monarch engineering last couple of seasons Mark |
Originally Posted by sparkie320
(Post 10459711)
See the first of the 5 to be UK based for Summer 2019 is on it's way
C-GNCH routing to Norwich via Aberdeen does anyone know who carrying out the maintenance on these whilst over here was Monarch engineering last couple of seasons Mark |
Last summer, Monarch Engineering looked after the Sunwing 737 at Leeds Bradford Airport. Both are now gone from LBA but another Line Engineering company, Luftavia, has set up here to look after the SmartLynx Airbus for the next few weeks. Perhaps Luftavia will be doing something similar for Sunwing at Norwich, Aberdeen etc. Pure speculation, obviously.
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NWI is sorted by KLM engineering I believe
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sunwing
cheers for the input
reason why asked who looking after them is it would mean all 5 swapping around during the season to enable each aircraft to pass through Maintenance at what ever airport or company dealing with them, which is good for those needing each one. As i said they used Leeds as a mini base and all the spares that was brought over were kept there cheers guys Mark |
Titan 757 G ZAPX was used from STN today as its second aircraft.
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C-FFPH is in dublin currently.
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G-ZAPX was used from STN today although I believe there was only one TOM flight from there today so no other TOM aircraft operating. G-TAWM/N are now based at STN though for tomorrow. C-GFEH has flown YUL-GLA. According to Jethros it's due to be DUB-based so not sure why it's at GLA. Perhaps it'll position over soon. That just leaves C-FYJD (BFS) to come over, although the BFS base usually opens later in the season. This year, all SWG aircraft seem to be fairly young (5yrs or less) and so presumably all have Sky Interior.
G-FDZB and G-FDZG (currently both under Canadian reg) are now the only TOM 738s still on winter lease. G-TAWY remains in the Nordics as SE-RFX. |
Its possible that the Sunwing that is in Glasgow is to be based there as there were supposed to be 2 Max8s there as of yesterday
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SWG only covering for first 2 weeks then a TUI 757 takes over
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I'm sure there's a reason but some bizarre routing today.
G-FDZY flew GLA-DBV-GLA (normal) G-TAWH flew EMA-DBV-GLA-EMA Anyone know why this might be? It has resulted in substantial delays at EMA, combined with the fact that EMA-AGP this morning left over six hours late. G-TAWG also flew CWL-DLM-LGW and now appears to be working from there, leaving CWL an aircraft short, with the 13:35 CWL-ZTH still not having left. It doesn't look like TOM has enough aircraft for its current schedule. Obviously we knew the lack of MAXs would be an issue but they are leasing to support this. Also, this is by no means the height of summer. |
Originally Posted by oldbalboy
(Post 10461293)
SWG only covering for first 2 weeks then a TUI 757 takes over
G-OOBG is still in DGX and G-CPEV at LTN but they've been idle for a while now - surely they'd be back in service by now if the leases were being extended? Also the 767s are still in Taipei. |
SE-RFR is in Manchester as it has just arrived from DBV and SE-RNC is at St Athan but due in MAN today
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
(Post 10461405)
SE-RFR is in Manchester as it has just arrived from DBV and SE-RNC is at St Athan but due in MAN today
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ROC10
Just because leases may or may not have been extended, does not mean they would be back in service.
Heavy maintenance checks would most likely have been arranged to coincide with the end of leases. These checks would most likely still be due and would require performing. Not so easy to rearrange maintenance inputs at short notice, especially now that MAEL is not around to pick up the slack. |
The two DBV-GLA flights where cruise pax pick ups.
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A further two summer leases for TUI per Jethros.
B738 F-GZTZ from ASL France (based CWL) B738 OY-JZK from Jettime (based BHX) BHX therefore having 2 lease Olympus A321's and a leased in 738 as well |
Thought BHX getting 1 Olympus as 1 is at Manchester
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