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Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10600683)
It looks like GLA and NCL will lose all of their w-patterns from ABZ next summer as these will no longer be needed with the addition of a based a/c at both. These included PMI on Tue and Sat, DLM on Thu and CFU on Fri. After a quick look at the website, these flights are still showing as outward w-patterns from ABZ. I can’t see where they are ‘w-ing’ to at the moment but it’s possible this hasn’t been decided/updated yet. Perhaps some growth at other bases will come from the likes of this as opposed to additional based a/c. |
Originally Posted by mart901
(Post 10600688)
Would that be BFS for the W's?
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EDI-DLM receives an extra weekly flight taking it from 2x weekly to 3x weekly, flights will be on another airline and it will be away based.
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I wonder how quickly TUI will return to SSH now that UK Gov have lifted ban? I remember the waves of TUI flights arriving from LGW, MAN, LUT, STN, BHX, & BRS. Always popular. With the extra UK boarder security working in HUG it was only time before SSH came up to speed.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10600852)
I wonder how quickly TUI will return to SSH now that UK Gov have lifted ban? I remember the waves of TUI flights arriving from LGW, MAN, LUT, STN, BHX, & BRS. Always popular. With the extra UK boarder security working in HUG it was only time before SSH came up to speed.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10600852)
I wonder how quickly TUI will return to SSH now that UK Gov have lifted ban? I remember the waves of TUI flights arriving from LGW, MAN, LUT, STN, BHX, & BRS. Always popular. With the extra UK boarder security working in HUG it was only time before SSH came up to speed.
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Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10600538)
So far I make the changes to be: Short-haul a/c BRS +2 GLA +1 (plus potential full time 787?) NCL +1 DSA +1 BHX +1 (?) BOH +0.4 approx EXT +0.4 approx LGW/MAN ?? Other bases ?? With regards to the BOH/EXT increases, I have not personally checked the website, but have read from others that each bases will see an additional a/c 3 days per week. Originally the plan seemed to be that BOH would take a LTN a/c from Fri-Sun. Provided this is still the case, perhaps EXT will take one of the extra BRS a/c from Mon-Wed? Another possibility is that one a/c is used exclusively for the BOH/EXT increases, moving between the two bases. Please correct me or fill in the gaps in my knowledge by addressing the question marked areas above or any other points people have picked up. |
If TUI do not have the MAX back then any flying program (which was large) from UK to SSH next year then they do not have enough a/c to do this as yet.
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Skiathos
I've justed noticed that TUI have added flights to Antalya, Herakleion and Skiathos from EMA for summer 2020 , with various other increases on other routes too. Could this be an extra based frame? And sorry if it sounds like a silly question but can a 738 do EMA to JSI direct?
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Originally Posted by craigyton2
(Post 10602715)
I've justed noticed that TUI have added flights to Antalya, Herakleion and Skiathos from EMA for summer 2020 , with various other increases on other routes too. Could this be an extra based frame? And sorry if it sounds like a silly question but can a 738 do EMA to JSI direct?
The 757's can get back without a stop but A321's and 738's need to drink on the way home and will stop at CFU KVA SKG Volos Pula DBV and PVZ amongst places to take on fuel. They can do non-stop back to UK with a lower payload such as early season when flights are not full on the way home. |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10602827)
A 738 can do JSI direct from anywhere in the UK - It is the return out of JSI that is MTOW limited due to short field length.
The 757's can get back without a stop but A321's and 738's need to drink on the way home and will stop at CFU KVA SKG Volos Pula DBV and PVZ amongst places to take on fuel. They can do non-stop back to UK with a lower payload such as early season when flights are not full on the way home. |
I think then the 738 must have the edge now on taking higher payloads out of JSI v the Airbus (or the 737 flights you mentioned were not full)
Also the Airbus has different performances whether it is CFM or IAE engines. Enter Air 738's do stop on the way back to LGW but this maybe due to a split load at volos or lemnos (Sunvil Holidays own charters) |
Thanks for that guys. I'm not sure my self if a 738 could do JSI to EMA non stop. I wonder if a W pattern on a 757 my be possible? Maybe a BHX based frame?. Probably too early to tell .
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Originally Posted by craigyton2
(Post 10603380)
Thanks for that guys. I'm not sure my self if a 738 could do JSI to EMA non stop. I wonder if a W pattern on a 757 my be possible? Maybe a BHX based frame?. Probably too early to tell .
LGW, STN, BRS and BOH should all be fine on the 738. I’m assuming MAN and BHX will continue on the 757. I’m no expert but EMA may well be fine too? NCL is where I’m more unsure. I’m sure someone with more knowledge will enlighten us as to what’s (im)possible. |
Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10603435)
After a quick check of the online TUI timetable, none of next year’s JSI flights are w-patterns. Timings also suggest return flights are non-stop. LGW, STN, BRS and BOH should all be fine on the 738. I’m assuming MAN and BHX will continue on the 757. I’m no expert but EMA may well be fine too? NCL is where I’m more unsure. I’m sure someone with more knowledge will enlighten us as to what’s (im)possible. |
As we know the MAX was destined to replace the 757 on TUI's routes such as this and JTR for instance, and the likes of Banjul, Cape Verde and Egypt (+ SSH makes a come back)
After reading the Lion Air MAX crash report yesterday I am not at all sure we will see the MAX back in time for Summer 2020. Just my tuppence... |
It looks like the winter TFS-based aircraft is returning this year, and with the new season approaching I thought I'd try to see where it will be flying to/from.
From looking at the online timetables, this is what it appears to be operating: Mon: CWL Tue: DSA Wed: ABZ Thur: NWI Fri: MAN Sat: Sun: ABZ |
Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10603435)
After a quick check of the online TUI timetable, none of next year’s JSI flights are w-patterns. Timings also suggest return flights are non-stop. LGW, STN, BRS and BOH should all be fine on the 738. I’m assuming MAN and BHX will continue on the 757. I’m no expert but EMA may well be fine too? NCL is where I’m more unsure. I’m sure someone with more knowledge will enlighten us as to what’s (im)possible. 1 x 757 went for freighter conversion this week. the 2 x 767's remain in the fleet |
Airfield opening hours mean it’s nearly impossible to run a U.K.-JSI w pattern. |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10603796)
The 11 x 757's were due to go during or after this winter, seems from jethros TUI have now extended their leases again to cover the 9 MAX groundings and TCK closure
1 x 757 went for freighter conversion this week. the 2 x 767's remain in the fleet The 757 exit plan hasn’t been made public since the MAX grounding, however I think it would be fairly suicidal to be disposing of a fully crewed fleet of serviceable aircraft whilst the MAX still doesn’t have a return to service date (or the confidence of crew and passengers), and an expansion of 10-11 lines of flying is planned for next Summer. |
Originally Posted by Vokes55
(Post 10603823)
The info on Jethros isn’t and wasn’t quite correct, not all of the 757s were due to leave this Winter in any plan, and BYAW is owned so hasn’t got a lease to extend. The 757 exit plan hasn’t been made public since the MAX grounding, however I think it would be fairly suicidal to be disposing of a fully crewed fleet of serviceable aircraft whilst the MAX still doesn’t have a return to service date (or the confidence of crew and passengers), and an expansion of 10-11 lines of flying is planned for next Summer. |
CPEV is next to go to China as a freighter following OOBG. No final plan for AW to go as yet.
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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
(Post 10603864)
CPEV is next to go to China as a freighter following OOBG. No final plan for AW to go as yet.
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Thanks for the 757 updates chaps - - Incredible back in the day Britannia AW owned almost the whole alphabet on 757-204's G-BYAC - BYAY
plus 3 ex Air Hollands' too G-OAHF/I/K and an Icelandic G-BTEJ all of which were operated from the start of BY 757 ops from around 1990 Just wondered how they (TUI) are left with only one -204, G-BYAW? |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10603929)
Thanks for the 757 updates chaps - - Incredible back in the day Britannia AW owned almost the whole alphabet on 757-204's G-BYAC - BYAY
plus 3 ex Air Hollands' too G-OAHF/I/K and an Icelandic G-BTEJ all of which were operated from the start of BY 757 ops from around 1990 Just wondered how they (TUI) are left with only one -204, G-BYAW? When Thomsonfly and First Choice merged to form Thomson Airways, they gradually disposed of all of the older TOM 757 and 733/738s, as well as all of the FCA Airbus fleet and older 757s. The G-OOB* series 757s are younger (especially BC/BD/BE/BF) and so these were retained. |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10603929)
Thanks for the 757 updates chaps - - Incredible back in the day Britannia AW owned almost the whole alphabet on 757-204's G-BYAC - BYAY
plus 3 ex Air Hollands' too G-OAHF/I/K and an Icelandic G-BTEJ all of which were operated from the start of BY 757 ops from around 1990 Just wondered how they (TUI) are left with only one -204, G-BYAW? |
As I recall, Britannia took on an ex-Monarch 757-2T7 during the 1990s. I remember one of their engineers saying it had steel brakes, which the -204s didn't.
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aaah BTEJ... I went on that particular 757, always recall the safety card was unique because of the different overwing exits. and had BTEJ marked all over it. |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10604017)
aaah BTEJ... I went on that particular 757, always recall the safety card was unique because of the different overwing exits. and had BTEJ marked all over it. Monncrest G-DRJC leased from MON/OM was G-BYAM with BY G-BYAG was W/off at Gerona |
Does anyone know why Nordic 763 SE-RNC is operating tonight’s TFS-ABZ? The SWG aircraft that flew the outbound is currently flying to an unknown destination. |
Originally Posted by ROC10
(Post 10604850)
Does anyone know why Nordic 763 SE-RNC is operating tonight’s TFS-ABZ? The SWG aircraft that flew the outbound is currently flying to an unknown destination. |
Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10604921)
Both flew to ABZ
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Thankyou, rog747. I couldn't remember if said 757 had been re-registered in the BYA sequence.
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Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10604330)
Yes, 757 BTEJ had 4 overwing exits rather than doors at 3L/R, and was iirc based at GLA?
Monncrest G-DRJC leased from MON/OM was G-BYAM with BY G-BYAG was W/off at Gerona |
Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 10605111)
Thankyou, rog747. I couldn't remember if said 757 had been re-registered in the BYA sequence.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10605176)
Yes, G-BTEJ was TF-FIJ of Icelandair on lease, based at GLA in my schooldays in the summer of 1991. God I feel old....
Britannia also had around 3 x Air Holland 757's on lease until their own -204's started to be delivered in 1991 All of these 757's that were on lease were fully painted up in Britannia colours. My pal just went out and back last week LGW to Antalya on a TUI 757 - I was very jealous - He did a very nice video of it taxiing in at AYT with 2 or 3 other TUI 757's all lined up on the ramp there in the warm evening - Love that noise of the RR E4's when they spool up....sigh We shall miss them when they are gone as their Mission capability is way and beyond anything else... |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10605180)
Never understood as to why she was given a G-BYAx Reg when she was on lease from MON...
There was also G-BXOL which was an odd ball reg in the fleet in the 90’s. |
Originally Posted by pamann
(Post 10605307)
G-BYAM - “Alpha Monarch”. There was also G-BXOL which was an odd ball reg in the fleet in the 90’s. |
We all called it
After Monarch! |
Britannia 757 fleet
The following 757s been operated by Britannia
757-204 G-BYAC 757-204 G-BYAD 757-204 G-BYAE 757-204 G-BYAF 757-204 G-BYAG 757-204 G-BYAH 757-204 G-BYAI 757-28A G-BYAJ 757-28A G-BYAK 757-204 G-BYAL 757-2T7 G-BYAM ex Monarch 757-204 G-BYAN 757-204 G-BYAO 757-204 G-BYAP 757-204 G-BYAR 757-204 G-BYAS 757-204 G-BYAT 757-204 G-BYAU 757-204 G-BYAW 757-204 G-BYAX 757-204 G-BYAY 757-236 G-CDUO tfd from Britannia AB 757-236 G-CDUP tfd from Britannia AB 757-27B G-OAHF ex Air Holland 757-27B G-OAHI ex Air Holland 757-23A G-OAHK ex Air Holland 757-208 G-BTEJ ex Icelandair lsd 757-23A G-BXOL G-BTEJ seen at Luton during there open day hope that is of use to some mark |
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