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Alsacienne 10th May 2019 17:36

I too have received this email about increased hand baggage. HOWEVER, when I booked my holiday a couple of weeks' ago, they were already offering 10 kg hand baggage!!

ROC10 10th May 2019 18:00


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10468274)
What is TUI's utilisation for the 737 fleet? Forget MAX issues...

Seems that in the winter there are whole days that go by where aircraft are not deployed and the summer season is sometimes not as tight as it could be from observation. Surely a company like this should be putting utilisation at the top in terms of priority?

You’ve asked this before and received a good answer already.

During the summer most aircraft are highly utilised, often flying two or sometimes three return flights per day. Obviously it is to their advantage to have one or two aircraft at a slightly lower utilisation so that they may be used as backup should anything go wrong (TUI cannot simply cancel flights like most airlines).

Of course, during the winter utilisation is obviously lower as demand is also lower. Several 737s and all 767s are leased elsewhere in the winter months and TUI also use this time to carry out significant maintenance on aircraft. However, upon grounding of the MAXs, TUI often struggled to cope even during the winter months so clearly utilisation is not that low with most aircraft probably flying one return flight per day (usually longer flights to Canaries/Cyprus), some will operate two, some none. For an example of lower utilisation in winter months, look at Jet2.

WestofEMA 11th May 2019 07:14


Originally Posted by 737James (Post 10468337)
I notice that TUI have upped the hand baggage limit on European flights so you can now take 10KG of carry on baggage which is a good thing for customers just hope that they have the space for all the bags if everyone takes their full limit

It doesn't just appear to be European flights. We had the email too for our long haul flight to PVR at the end of the month, although I don't think the overall baggage size has increased. It's 55 x 40 x 20 cm.

Cazza_fly 11th May 2019 08:36


Originally Posted by WestofEMA (Post 10468714)
It doesn't just appear to be European flights. We had the email too for our long haul flight to PVR at the end of the month, although I don't think the overall baggage size has increased. It's 55 x 40 x 20 cm.

The baggage size hasn't increased and so it shouldn't. The increase to Maximum of 10kgs weight is standard across all TUI Airways operated flights.

With most people still travelling on a TUI holiday onboard these flights and thus receiving a 15-23kgs hold-luggage allowance, hopefully this change won't start encouraging cabin congestion and fighting for overhead luggage space like it does on other airlines. The one positive of the previous 5kgs allowance was that it encouraged people to pack lighter, which often meant a smaller cabin bag that could easily go underneath the seats or quickly popped in the overhead lockers.

Jet2_GLA 11th May 2019 12:10

TUI Airways has acquired 2 Airbus A321s (SX-ACP, and SX-ABY) which are both Ex-Olympus Aircraft, or as most people know them as, Ex-Monarch. They are due to enter service on Friday 17th May 2019 (6 days from now)
This will be covering the continued MAX8 grounding. As you may know, TUI Airways has also acquired additional leased Boeing 737s to cover this grounding.

Stuart

rog747 11th May 2019 12:13

Anyone know how the TUI Euro fleets are fairing with losing their MAX's?? (Holland Belgium Sweden etc)

ROC10 11th May 2019 12:20


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10468904)
TUI Airways has acquired 2 Airbus A321s (SX-ACP, and SX-ABY) which are both Ex-Olympus Aircraft, or as most people know them as, Ex-Monarch. They are due to enter service on Friday 17th May 2019 (6 days from now)
This will be covering the continued MAX8 grounding. As you may know, TUI Airways has also acquired additional leased Boeing 737s to cover this grounding.

Stuart

I don’t think it’s right to say TUI have “acquired” these aircraft or that they are “ex-Olympus”. I’m pretty sure they're very much still Olympus aircraft, TUI are just leasing them for now. SX-ABY has already started flying for TUI today. They are supposedly due another Olympus 321 at BHX at some point also.

Mooncrest 11th May 2019 13:13

One of these Olympus Airbuses is currently parked at Manchester. I didn't see it move yesterday or this morning. TUI have also been using a Privilege Style 767 and a French XL A330.

garry8g 11th May 2019 14:35

Does anyone know if the Sunwing B737's have the extra legroom seats the same as the TUI B737's ? (i.e. rows 3, 4 & 5 - seats D, E & F)

VickersVicount 11th May 2019 16:11

Assuming they dont reconfigure for UK Summer ops and are interchangeable here is Sunwing 738 seat map showing their equivalent extra legroom seats
Sunwing 738 Seat Map

OltonPete 11th May 2019 21:06


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10468904)
TUI Airways has acquired 2 Airbus A321s (SX-ACP, and SX-ABY) which are both Ex-Olympus Aircraft, or as most people know them as, Ex-Monarch. They are due to enter service on Friday 17th May 2019 (6 days from now)
This will be covering the continued MAX8 grounding. As you may know, TUI Airways has also acquired additional leased Boeing 737s to cover this grounding.

Stuart

Confirmed 100% SX-ABY entered service today BHX-VRN-BHX-PFO and currently on its way back.

I have read several reasons for the delay in entering service such as "paperwork" or "reconfiguring the seats".

Titan 757 also operating at BHX the last two days as mentioned on the BHX thread.

Pete

garry8g 11th May 2019 23:49


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10469079)
Assuming they dont reconfigure for UK Summer ops and are interchangeable here is Sunwing 738 seat map showing their equivalent extra legroom seats
Sunwing 738 Seat Map

Thanks for that Info. Flying from Glasgow to Rhodes on 25th May, and noticed there is a Sunwing aircraft along with a TUI one, so don't know which one will be doing the Rhodes rotation.

ROC10 12th May 2019 00:23


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 10469320)
Thanks for that Info. Flying from Glasgow to Rhodes on 25th May, and noticed there is a Sunwing aircraft along with a TUI one, so don't know which one will be doing the Rhodes rotation.

Sunwing did it last week and TOM this week so doesn’t look like they’re flying specific routes, although that may change.

On another note (and I know we shouldn’t always believe FR24 but there must be a reason that this has been changed), from tomorrow onwards half of the GLA departures are showing as 75W whilst the other half show as 73H/7M8. There have been talks of a 757 returning to GLA at some point although this looks unlikely unless the idle 757s are returned to service (or they lease another Titan perhaps).

Alsacienne 12th May 2019 07:19

Further to my post of 5 May, Flightradar24 tells me that today's BY5754 is being operated by a Titan Airways 320. Will this aircraft/wetlease company be operating the same flight each week? Tui has not been in touch with me yet ...

Yeehaw22 12th May 2019 08:19


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10469329)


Sunwing did it last week and TOM this week so doesn’t look like they’re flying specific routes, although that may change.

On another note (and I know we shouldn’t always believe FR24 but there must be a reason that this has been changed), from tomorrow onwards half of the GLA departures are showing as 75W whilst the other half show as 73H/7M8. There have been talks of a 757 returning to GLA at some point although this looks unlikely unless the idle 757s are returned to service (or they lease another Titan perhaps).

Gla will be 1 x 757 and 1 x 738 In the next few days for the foreseeable. Sunwing 738 is off to bfs/dub.

azz767 12th May 2019 09:41

There looks to be at the moment 5x longer term leases with any others on an ad hoc basis
the Titan A320 at STN
2x Norwegian 738 at LGW (a/c) rotate and alternate with the Norwegian operation afaik
2x Olympus A321 at MAN & BHX

CabinCrewe 12th May 2019 11:27

Wonder if, when at short notice the aircraft changes to a larger aircraft eg 738 to 757 they then release all the additional seats for FO and package deals? Financially of course makes sense but logistically wonder how easy it is to do

ROC10 12th May 2019 11:33


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10469489)
There looks to be at the moment 5x longer term leases with any others on an ad hoc basis
the Titan A320 at STN
2x Norwegian 738 at LGW (a/c) rotate and alternate with the Norwegian operation afaik
2x Olympus A321 at MAN & BHX

There's also Titan A320 at LGW, Titan 757 at BHX, ASL 738 at CWL. I believe that’s all of the regulars for now. There have been a few ad hoc wide-bodies from MAN over the last couple of days (Privilege Style 767, Wamos and XL A330s) with some horrible delays (one was approx 12 hours). G-OBYG is now back in service with TOM though and G-TUID is out of LTN (possibly in s/h config?) so hopefully there will be no more need for these ad hoc charters. G-TUII however seems to be operating Nordic s/h flights at the moment so this won't be helping. OBYH appears to still be in Taipei for now also.




azz767 12th May 2019 12:21


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10469531)


There's also Titan A320 at LGW, Titan 757 at BHX, ASL 738 at CWL. I believe that’s all of the regulars for now. There have been a few ad hoc wide-bodies from MAN over the last couple of days (Privilege Style 767, Wamos and XL A330s) with some horrible delays (one was approx 12 hours). G-OBYG is now back in service with TOM though and G-TUID is out of LTN (possibly in s/h config?) so hopefully there will be no more need for these ad hoc charters. G-TUII however seems to be operating Nordic s/h flights at the moment so this won't be helping. OBYH appears to still be in Taipei for now also.




would the UK Dreamliner operating in the nordics have anything to do with se-rfr being out of service for a week. Seems to be at DGX from 4th may after operating for TUI UK for a couple of weeks

rog747 12th May 2019 15:31


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10469528)
Wonder if, when at short notice the aircraft changes to a larger aircraft eg 738 to 757 they then release all the additional seats for FO and package deals? Financially of course makes sense but logistically wonder how easy it is to do

A logistic nightmare during the season like this, but if TUI have a set up to match empty rooms and seats even at shot notice then they may sell?

737James 13th May 2019 11:12

I presume that the Olympus A321s at BHX & MAN are crewed both flight deck and cabin crew by Greek staff ? I know there was some worries that if they pick up any tech delays that they will struggle to get the schedule back on track as unable to get crew off standby easily

pabely 13th May 2019 11:20


Originally Posted by 737James (Post 10470193)
I presume that the Olympus A321s at BHX & MAN are crewed both flight deck and cabin crew by Greek staff ? I know there was some worries that if they pick up any tech delays that they will struggle to get the schedule back on track as unable to get crew off standby easily

TUI crews will only be Boeing so an A321 will be alien to them.

rog747 13th May 2019 11:47

ACMI leases for TUI from (mostly ACMI specialist airlines) such as Olympus Wamos Hi-fly Titan Evelop ASL Jet-time Privilege Style & Euroatlantic etc etc etc will be ''aircraft crew maintenance and insurance''
ACMI, aka as a Wet lease. A Dry lease means that the aircraft is being provided without any flight crew - such as the Sunwing 737 leases to TUI.
A Damp Lease is defined as a Wet-leased aircraft that includes a cockpit crew but not a cabin crew.

So yes all the FD and CC are from the ACMI airline - occasionally the airline they are leasing to (TUI in this case) may put on board one or two of their own CC members as a pax courtesy, maybe for language issues.

At BMA when we ACMI leased and flew for EL AL with all our own CC.
But at Britannia we leased to and flew for Air France when their pilots were on strike, and an AF CC member or two came on the flights to speak French.

Mooncrest 13th May 2019 12:02

rog747, the Sunwing contract is damp lease. They provide the pilots as well but the cabin crew are TUI's own. At least that's what we had at LBA last summer.

Jet2_GLA 13th May 2019 12:31


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10470197)
TUI crews will only be Boeing so an A321 will be alien to them.

Actually not exactly. The Airbus A321 (Ex-Monarchs) flying on Lease from Olympus Airways. They are Olympus Pilots but there is TUI and Sunwing Cabin crew. Told it was mostly TUI cabin crew with one Olympus Cabin Crew for safety apparently.

irishlad06 13th May 2019 12:35

It is likely Olympus cabin crew as the TUI crew are not trained on the aircraft nor Olympus operating procedures however TUI will have representatives onboard. Other airlines normally put their crew on to do the on board service so that nothing is different for the passengers.

VickersVicount 13th May 2019 13:16


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10470244)


Actually not exactly. The Airbus A321 (Ex-Monarchs) flying on Lease from Olympus Airways. They are Olympus Pilots but there is TUI and Sunwing Cabin crew. Told it was mostly TUI cabin crew with one Olympus Cabin Crew for safety apparently.

Sounds like a non harmonious shambles...
Reminds me of the TransAer A320 and CanAfrica DC8 shenanigans.

rog747 13th May 2019 13:35

sunwing
 

Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 10470223)
rog747, the Sunwing contract is damp lease. They provide the pilots as well but the cabin crew are TUI's own. At least that's what we had at LBA last summer.

Ah I did wonder once I had posted lol - same as smart-lynx then I gather with TCX and the A321's - thanks R

rog747 13th May 2019 13:36


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10470276)

Sounds like a non harmonious shambles...
Reminds me of the TransAer A320 and CanAfrica DC8 shenanigans.

Plus add a sprinkle of Air Scandic, Air Oops and the rest lol

rog747 13th May 2019 13:41


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10470244)


Actually not exactly. The Airbus A321 (Ex-Monarchs) flying on Lease from Olympus Airways. They are Olympus Pilots but there is TUI and Sunwing Cabin crew. Told it was mostly TUI cabin crew with one Olympus Cabin Crew for safety apparently.

Sounds then like a right ol' hash-up of wet, dry, and damp leases LOL

What is sad to note that down at Norwegian due both the 787 and 737MAX groundings that FD and CC are being offered varied part-time or no-pay contracts (go on unpaid leave but you get your job back)
These boys and girls have bills to pay :(
They may get offered VR too.

clipstone1 13th May 2019 15:35

Interestingly, whilost Norwegian are operating several aircraft for TUI Airways this summer (to cover the MAX) they themselves are chartering other airlines in to cover their flying, due to a) the MAX being grounded and them leasing out to TUI....must be getting their cover cheaper than the amount they can charge TUI

pamann 13th May 2019 15:49


Originally Posted by clipstone1 (Post 10470376)
Interestingly, whilost Norwegian are operating several aircraft for TUI Airways this summer (to cover the MAX) they themselves are chartering other airlines in to cover their flying, due to a) the MAX being grounded and them leasing out to TUI....must be getting their cover cheaper than the amount they can charge TUI

Norwegian have been operating charter flights on behalf of Tui for a few years now out of Gatwick. These are dedicated 100% Tui charter flights. I believe it’s two aircraft this summer. Possibly three? This was all planned well in advance of the MAX issues and has absolutely nothing to do with Tui being aircraft short because of the grounding of the MAX. It’s simply to supply additional capacity for Tui holidays during the summer season out of Gatwick.

Matt995 13th May 2019 21:48


Originally Posted by 737James (Post 10470193)
I presume that the Olympus A321s at BHX & MAN are crewed both flight deck and cabin crew by Greek staff ? I know there was some worries that if they pick up any tech delays that they will struggle to get the schedule back on track as unable to get crew off standby easily

Interestingly I heard the Olympus A321 flight crew on approach to Birmingham yesterday operating TOM7751 from Malaga, the pilot on the RT was most definitely British, so could Olympus be using ex Monarch crew? The afternoon departure to Zakynthos was most certainly a Greek pilot on the RT!

Twiglet1 14th May 2019 15:30


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10470295)
Plus add a sprinkle of Air Scandic, Air Oops and the rest lol

And Omega Air 707's

ROC10 19th May 2019 20:17

Looks like TUI are flying their MAN departures via LPL to fuel up before heading to the destinations. Heavily delayed leaving MAN and then obviously further delays after going via LPL but better than cancelling like the vast majority of MAN departures have been.

rog747 20th May 2019 06:34


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10475165)
Looks like TUI are flying their MAN departures via LPL to fuel up before heading to the destinations. Heavily delayed leaving MAN and then obviously further delays after going via LPL but better than cancelling like the vast majority of MAN departures have been.

TUI flights are package holiday charter flights thus will rarely be cancelled, unlike FR, EZY, BA etc - TUI will get their holidaymakers to/from destination albeit delayed/diverted.

ROC10 22nd May 2019 20:17

Haven’t really seen anyone mention this but looks like the LTN base has had major cutbacks this summer. I did wonder as LTN normally has 2 or 3 based aircraft but has only had one based since the beginning of the season. I know that FR24 is not accurate but it shows 3-4 scheduled departures per day, when in reality there are usually only one or two. The TUI website obviously only shows those flights which remain but it really highlights the scale of reductions. However, looking ahead, there is a very brief period from the end of July until the end of August (around 5 weeks) where the timetable shows something more similar to FR24 (thus presumably what was originally planned for the entire season).

Can anyone elaborate on this? Were the cuts made a while ago or was this all rather short notice? I am aware of the disruption the MAX issues have caused, however, there have been no leased aircraft at LTN to help out so is this all down to poor bookings?

Matt995 23rd May 2019 00:04


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10477419)
Haven’t really seen anyone mention this but looks like the LTN base has had major cutbacks this summer. I did wonder as LTN normally has 2 or 3 based aircraft but has only had one based since the beginning of the season. I know that FR24 is not accurate but it shows 3-4 scheduled departures per day, when in reality there are usually only one or two. The TUI website obviously only shows those flights which remain but it really highlights the scale of reductions. However, looking ahead, there is a very brief period from the end of July until the end of August (around 5 weeks) where the timetable shows something more similar to FR24 (thus presumably what was originally planned for the entire season).

Can anyone elaborate on this? Were the cuts made a while ago or was this all rather short notice? I am aware of the disruption the MAX issues have caused, however, there have been no leased aircraft at LTN to help out so is this all down to poor bookings?

Yes Luton has only 1 aircraft based a 757, TUI dropped the planned 2nd aircraft, long before the Max issues, however they are planning to base a 2nd aircraft just for the peak high season July/August. FR24 doesnt show the most updated TUI flight details, so many are showing wrong times, aircraft or flights that have been removed etc...

harer92 23rd May 2019 10:38

Anyone got a S19 update of based aircraft at each airport

mattjwood 23rd May 2019 10:49

Booked onto the BHX - DLM flight on 3rd June. Appears to be an A321 Configuration on the seat map - the return flight on the 10th June appears to be a 757? I assume the 757 will be a TUI aircraft and the A321 will be the Olympus?


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