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Skipness One Foxtrot 7th Aug 2018 08:48


I believe another airline has already taken the Thomson callsign!
Really? Tomjet sounds awful. mind you TUIair was as bad. A callsign needs to have no relation with the branding whatsoever.
flybe = "Jersey" from Jersey European
BA = "Speedbird" from BOAC
Thomas Cook = "Kestrel" from the 1991 Airtours business
Jet2 = "Channex" from Channel Express

Why on Earth did they change from "Thomson" given there was never a need to change from "Britannia"?

737James 7th Aug 2018 10:30

I know recently there has been some confusion with foreign ATC with the TUIAIR call sign especially in Balkans,Greece and Turkey when they are reading instructions there has been confusion.

I agree Britannia was a good call sign and should never have been changed in the first place

exlatccatsa 16th Aug 2018 08:52

They changed the 6th at 1800z. Strange time to change on my opinion. We had one leave as Tui and come back as Tomjet. And over the next few days, as I expect with other airports, a mixture of the 2 callsign as the crews get used to it.

Shytehawk 16th Aug 2018 08:58

737 James

There was no way the new German masters were going to stick with the name "Britannia".

22/04 16th Aug 2018 12:34


There was no way the new German masters were going to stick with the name "Britannia".
No especially after they had "Windsor" inflicted on them when BY operated ex Germany- was that the 80s or 90s.

oceanhawk 16th Aug 2018 14:50

The Tuiair callsign was very unpopular with our pilots and controllers alike. It was very difficult to pick up from a foreign controller when English was not the mother tongue. We were being mixed up with other group airlines callsigns and safety was a major concern. The crews bombarded the company with Air safety Reports over the issue. The problem was from the controllers end that the trigraph on the controllers screen remained TOM. So,a controller saw TOM123, on the radar screen ,but needed to say TUIAIR 123. Now, the controller will still see TOM 123 on his/ her screen but will now verbalise TOMJET 123.
It was introduced at very short notice due to an administrative error. Was planned for 1st November.

azz767 20th Aug 2018 13:34

G-OBYK is operating from MAN today swapping with YG. Does anybody know the reason for the constant swapping? Firstly having experienced a Nordic based frame operating a UK flight, the IFE was in Scandinavian only (not the biggest deal but still not ideal), half the magazines and safety cards were in Scandinavian languages and half were missing. G-OBYK as far as I know is the only TUI frame still in the old livery and still has Nordic titles.

It looks like YF and YG are set up for UK ops and YH and YK or Nordic ops but as I say there has been constant swapping across the summer. I just don't see why they don't either standardise everything or have both languages on board that they can change to suit where that particular frame is based.

Richard Taylor 20th Aug 2018 16:50


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 10225405)
No especially after they had "Windsor" inflicted on them when BY operated ex Germany- was that the 80s or 90s.

Oh I don't know.... House of Windsor has pretty close connections to Germany... :O

DanAir89 8th Sep 2018 16:41

fly on Tui every couple of years and have a random question re the route map displays on the 737’s. This year we were delayed for an hour on the ground. Crew really friendly and used the time to let the kids visit the cockpit (I probably enjoyed it more though!) and gave out things to keep them entertained. Thought this was a great touch and differentiated the airline from others.
Once under way pilot gave lots of details about the journey but I was really disappointed that the route maps were not used to support this. for the next few hours my kids asked where we were and when we’d get there so I asked the crew if they still used the displays that I’d seen before to answer their questions. They said they did and would put it on - admittedly it was a busy flight and they never got around to it but my question is when do they use it - is it by request ir just if they can be bothered. Used to fly BA domestic and the route maps came on shortly after takeoff every time but TUI seem to have bought this useful tool but don’t want to use it!

Cazza_fly 8th Sep 2018 22:55


Originally Posted by DanAir89 (Post 10244319)
fly on Tui every couple of years and have a random question re the route map displays on the 737’s. This year we were delayed for an hour on the ground. Crew really friendly and used the time to let the kids visit the cockpit (I probably enjoyed it more though!) and gave out things to keep them entertained. Thought this was a great touch and differentiated the airline from others.
Once under way pilot gave lots of details about the journey but I was really disappointed that the route maps were not used to support this. for the next few hours my kids asked where we were and when we’d get there so I asked the crew if they still used the displays that I’d seen before to answer their questions. They said they did and would put it on - admittedly it was a busy flight and they never got around to it but my question is when do they use it - is it by request ir just if they can be bothered. Used to fly BA domestic and the route maps came on shortly after takeoff every time but TUI seem to have bought this useful tool but don’t want to use it!

Not all aircraft are still fitted with the system. The ones that are (sky interior 737s), will have their screens deployed, usually once in the cruise. It's not a case of "not wanting to use it". Sometimes it may not connect or the screens may simply not be working. Of course if the safety demo had been shown via the screens, its unlikely that that would have been the case. As you mentioned, the crew were probably just very busy and again forgot to set it up.

As an aside, the system on BA shorthaul Airbus aircraft is being removed as each one goes through their densification program. This is to standardise with the NEO fleet and to reduce fuel burn and maintenance costs

LiamNCL 9th Sep 2018 05:45

G-FDZA & FDZJ set to leave the fleet this winter replaced by 2 Scandi 738s G-TAWX & G-TAWY

MKY661 9th Sep 2018 09:58

Also (taken from Jethro's site) first 737-8 MAX is due in November, registered G-TUMA.

G-CPEU also looks like it's leaving in December too.

737James 10th Sep 2018 09:36

I travelled to Larnarca return with Tui in June on the same aircraft in both directions, Outbound the screens were used for both safety demo and during the flight which was good to keep track on the flight and helped pass the time on the long sector.

Inbound the screen was used for safety briefing and then it was turned on so around 30 mins into the flight I asked the CC if they could turn this on but said that they were not allowed to use the screen on the deep night flight so that people could sleep better. I can kind of understand the reasoning behind this as it was a dep LCA 01:30 arr EMA 04:25 flight but for me persoanlly I would have liked to keep track on routing and progress.

Will the 737 Max have the Sky map installed or not ?

GEB74 10th Sep 2018 10:18


Originally Posted by MKY661 (Post 10244806)
.

G-CPEU also looks like it's leaving in December too.

I think there's 4 757's due to leave before end of this financial year.
If so, I wonder what these frames future holds?
Is there still a live freighter conversion program, actively looking for suitable frames, or has that ship now sailed?

MKY661 10th Sep 2018 11:54


Originally Posted by GEB74 (Post 10245554)
I think there's 4 757's due to leave before end of this financial year.

Yeah Jetrho also stating G-CPEV leaves in the Spring and G-OOBG & G-OOBH leave in March.

DanAir89 10th Sep 2018 18:16


Originally Posted by 737James (Post 10245526)
I travelled to Larnarca return with Tui in June on the same aircraft in both directions, Outbound the screens were used for both safety demo and during the flight which was good to keep track on the flight and helped pass the time on the long sector.

Inbound the screen was used for safety briefing and then it was turned on so around 30 mins into the flight I asked the CC if they could turn this on but said that they were not allowed to use the screen on the deep night flight so that people could sleep better. I can kind of understand the reasoning behind this as it was a dep LCA 01:30 arr EMA 04:25 flight but for me persoanlly I would have liked to keep track on routing and progress.

Will the 737 Max have the Sky map installed or not ?

thanks for comments on this. Return journey was at night so that might explain it but perhaps not a deep night flight as arrived back in the U.K. at midnight.

other than that always been sky interior day flights on a variety of 737’s - perhaps from NCl getting the bar open is more important 🍺🍹🍸

pamann 10th Sep 2018 18:27


Inbound the screen was used for safety briefing and then it was turned on so around 30 mins into the flight I asked the CC if they could turn this on but said that they were not allowed to use the screen on the deep night flight so that people could sleep better.
I’m pretty sure that’s complete nonsense about turning the screens off at night. Sounds to me like a crew members preference.
If that was the case they’d switch the IFE off on night flights on the 787. Something that they certainly don’t do when you’re flying back eastbound across the Atlantic.

Maybe the simple answer is that the moving map just wasn’t ‘playing game’ on your particular flight. IFE technology isn’t always that reliable.


737James 11th Sep 2018 10:28

Pamann- I think it may be something on this particular flight LCA-EMA as parents travelled back a week later on different aircraft WF and same happened screens used for briefing and then crew would not turn them on.

It was good for the people that wanted to sleep as we were airborne at 01:38 and bar service was all completed by 02:00 lights out for four hours and not put back on until 10mins before landing. By having the lights out totally I did get some amazing views of Eastern and central europe

CentreFix25 11th Sep 2018 10:37

I don't think its an aircraft or route issue, more likely software, policy or workload.

My summer holidays were out and back on different NCL based 738s; maps worked fine on the ground as did the safety video, however once airborne the screens were lowered but showed nothing.

rog747 11th Sep 2018 12:13

I used to like and keep the Captain's inflight map/position report/bulletin that was on a sheet of paper and was passed down the cabin for all passengers to read and hand on to the next one.

I have a couple of Britannia Airways Britannia one's in my possession plus British Eagle Britannia, and Dan Air Comet & 727.

DanAir89 11th Sep 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10246470)
I used to like and keep the Captain's inflight map/position report/bulletin that was on a sheet of paper and was passed down the cabin for all passengers to read and hand on to the next one.

I have a couple of Britannia Airways Britannia one's in my possession plus British Eagle Britannia, and Dan Air Comet & 727.

i remember the map being passed around the cabin on a dan air 737 in 1986 and then in 1987 being amazed that Britannia 737’s had these little machines fixed to the cabin roof showing height, speed and flight time.

even the route map in the Tui magazine has been shrunk so much that I couldn’t even point out to the kids the large Greek island that we were flying to!

I can’t help thinking though when flying Tui it’s so sad that the two best holiday airlines (by and amm) have been condensed into a copy of Jet2. Some may say had to be done to cut costs etc to compete but Tui and even jet2 holidays aren’t cheap and their profit figures are quite impressive so a moving map (or decent printed map) is a nice little extra!

daz211 18th Sep 2018 21:39

Can anyone help me, I have a friend about to book with TUI from MAN-ACE
19th March - 26 March flight 2250/51.
They asked me to find the aircraft type as during the booking process it is not shown.
I have looked on the likes of skyscanner etc, all other airlines list the aircraft type but not TUI.

Thanks in advance for any info.

ROC10 20th Sep 2018 17:58

Anyone know what’s happening with BY1386/7 EDI-LCA-EDI. Was meant to operate yesterday but cancelled (presumably due to weather and the fact that the aircraft diverted to NCL on the earlier PUY-EDI). The aircraft did position back up to EDI fairly soon after though so crew may have been out of hours? Is this flight going to happen at all this week?

CabinCrewe 20th Sep 2018 18:42

I would doubt it. They dont often reschedule a formally cancelled flight to later that week, the logistics would be a nightmare.
Cancel, rebook, alternatives or refund.

ChilliP 20th Sep 2018 21:31


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10252268)
Can anyone help me, I have a friend about to book with TUI from MAN-ACE
19th March - 26 March flight 2250/51.
They asked me to find the aircraft type as during the booking process it is not shown.
I have looked on the likes of skyscanner etc, all other airlines list the aircraft type but not TUI.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Daz,
According to flightmapper.net, this is currently operated by a 738 aircraft. This schedule may be altered given we are still 6 months away.

ROC10 20th Sep 2018 21:42


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10254012)
I would doubt it. They dont often reschedule a formally cancelled flight to later that week, the logistics would be a nightmare.
Cancel, rebook, alternatives or refund.

G-OOBG is now on its way, over 24 hours late. Will probably end up sitting there over night.

daz211 20th Sep 2018 22:36


Originally Posted by ChilliP (Post 10254165)


Daz,
According to flightmapper.net, this is currently operated by a 738 aircraft. This schedule may be altered given we are still 6 months away.

Thank you Chillip and welcome to the forum.

TSR2 21st Sep 2018 02:49

TUI have also used a B787-9 this year on the MAN-ACE route.

ImPlaneCrazy 26th Sep 2018 09:58


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10252268)
Can anyone help me, I have a friend about to book with TUI from MAN-ACE
19th March - 26 March flight 2250/51.
They asked me to find the aircraft type as during the booking process it is not shown.
I have looked on the likes of skyscanner etc, all other airlines list the aircraft type but not TUI.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Both legs scheduled as a 757-200, but as others have said it's always subject to change.

Sharklet_321 27th Sep 2018 09:08

Rmours abounding about a second aircraft is earmarked for the BOH base. Some saying it could be a 787. Any weight to this rumour?

MARKEYD 27th Sep 2018 09:35

TUI have slowly built up the BOH base with next summer seeing at least 3 extra flights using 3rd party carriers and a W pattern from Cardiff

I think its always been on the cards for a while that a 2nd aircraft 737 800 possibly could do a small amount of extra work in the summer and share it with Cardiff or Bristol

Regarding the 787 I doubt it , Bournemouth does incredibly well with its fly cruises to Barbados with P&O and Hays travel and regularly go out full , but they have a good year or so sell those seats . This year there are about 5 flights over the season

Who knows , would be great to be proved wrong !!

MerchantVenturer 27th Sep 2018 20:23


Originally Posted by MARKEYD (Post 10259726)
TUI have slowly built up the BOH base with next summer seeing at least 3 extra flights using 3rd party carriers and a W pattern from Cardiff

I think its always been on the cards for a while that a 2nd aircraft 737 800 possibly could do a small amount of extra work in the summer and share it with Cardiff or Bristol

Regarding the 787 I doubt it , Bournemouth does incredibly well with its fly cruises to Barbados with P&O and Hays travel and regularly go out full , but they have a good year or so sell those seats . This year there are about 5 flights over the season

Who knows , would be great to be proved wrong !!

There might be some moving around next summer. Reports suggest that BRS will lose its two 757s next summer as the type is gradually retired from the fleet, with two 738s as replacements which would leave it with four 738s (in addition, the part 'based' 788 will be at the airport five days each week next summer with six rotations two of which will be short haul). That would leave BRS down on seat availability so there might be some mileage in the suggestion that a further 738 might be used around BOH, BRS and possibly CWL, although the latter is expanding next summer anyway with a third based 738.

shamrock7seal 28th Sep 2018 07:25

Can anyone confirm if CFU-BOH-CFU next summer is operated by a 757?

PDXCWL45 28th Sep 2018 09:46


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10260526)
Can anyone confirm if CFU-BOH-CFU next summer is operated by a 757?

It's operated by a Cardiff based 737.

sixchannel 29th Sep 2018 11:57

BY6601 returning to Palma
 
As at 12.55, BY6601 G-FDZR PMI - EXT is on Finals back to PMI after a swift 180 at Spanish coast.

mark1484 5th Oct 2018 05:56

G-OBYF
 
Positioned in to St Athan on Monday.
Is this off lease or for maintenance?
That leaves YH as the only MAN based B767 i think as the other two are still flying the Scandinavian routes.

MUFC_fan 5th Oct 2018 15:08


Originally Posted by mark1484 (Post 10266362)
Positioned in to St Athan on Monday.
Is this off lease or for maintenance?
That leaves YH as the only MAN based B767 i think as the other two are still flying the Scandinavian routes.

Probably to configure it for winter.

sixchannel 5th Oct 2018 15:12


Originally Posted by MUFC_fan (Post 10266709)
Probably to configure it for winter.

Hows that? Snow shoes and external skis rack? :8

Fly757X 5th Oct 2018 18:04


Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10266713)
Hows that? Snow shoes and external skis rack? :8

To go to Scandinavia.

mark1484 5th Oct 2018 18:49

It’s returned back to MAN


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