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azz767 3rd May 2019 11:26


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10461917)
Thought BHX getting 1 Olympus as 1 is at Manchester

I have no clue, I'm going from Jethros which says 2 at BHX and 1 at MAN but you may well be right.

oldbalboy 4th May 2019 11:39

its 2 x Olympus @ Bhx 1x Man , ASL CWL, Titan 1 line LGW , 1line STN until mid July at moment.

Matt995 4th May 2019 12:03


Originally Posted by oldbalboy (Post 10462698)
its 2 x Olympus @ Bhx 1x Man , ASL CWL, Titan 1 line LGW , 1line STN until mid July at moment.

Only problem at the moment is Olympus only have 2 A321s flying, their 3rd aircraft SX-ABQ hasn't flown since the 14th March, appears to be park at Antalya, unless its in for a service?

As its very early in the summer season, appears TUI are ad-hoc leasing aircraft and moving them around their bases at present, need to give it a few weeks for the schedules to settle down!

ROC10 5th May 2019 09:40

Well things have already gone wrong with the GLA Sunwing 738, heavily delayed going out to RHO last night and now stuck there, meaning G-FDZS had to be positioned up from MAN. Not a good start.

rog747 5th May 2019 09:53


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10463398)
Well things have already gone wrong with the GLA Sunwing 738, heavily delayed going out to RHO last night and now stuck there, meaning G-FDZS had to be positioned up from MAN. Not a good start.

RHO has been affected by bad weather and many a/c have held, or diverted to ATH etc today (high winds)

sdh2903 5th May 2019 10:30


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10463398)
heavily delayed going out to RHO last night

It departed to RHO on schedule?

Alsacienne 5th May 2019 10:33

Anyone able to tell me what aircraft is being used on 2 June STN-EFL/EFL-STN? Marked at TOM5754 and 5755 respectively. And if it isn't a 'Tui' 'plane, whose onboard catering will be offered? Many thanks!

pamann 5th May 2019 12:02


Originally Posted by Alsacienne (Post 10463438)
Anyone able to tell me what aircraft is being used on 2 June STN-EFL/EFL-STN? Marked at TOM5754 and 5755 respectively. And if it isn't a 'Tui' 'plane, whose onboard catering will be offered? Many thanks!

Too early still to say with the Max issues Tui are experiencing. But if it’s not a Tui 737 it’ll be a Titan aircraft.
Not sure about the onboard offering however.

ROC10 5th May 2019 12:35


Originally Posted by sdh2903 (Post 10463434)
It departed to RHO on schedule?

According to FR24 it was three hours late. Scheduled 15:10, departed 18:10. It is still in RHO now.

sdh2903 5th May 2019 13:24


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10463519)
According to FR24 it was three hours late. Scheduled 15:10, departed 18:10. It is still in RHO now.

Don't always believe FR. It was scheduled to depart at 1755 and ferry back empty.

Alsacienne 5th May 2019 13:47

Thanks! OK, time to buy a meal deal at Stansted then!

oldbalboy 6th May 2019 07:45

Customers not travelling on Tui a/c are all being contacted well in advance of flights in writing to be told who they are flying with & what catering will be available, Titan are operating one of the 2 lines at STN & I believe its the normal Tui range with the exception of no hot food.

Gurnard 6th May 2019 09:39

F-GZTZ & OY-JZK
Both of these aircraft noted today doing non-TUI work. Are they only flying for TUI at weekends at the moment?

chaps1954 6th May 2019 10:08

OY-JZK is operating for SAS out of Manchester today

Ian

caaardiff 6th May 2019 10:38


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10464314)
F-GZTZ & OY-JZK
Both of these aircraft noted today doing non-TUI work. Are they only flying for TUI at weekends at the moment?

Looks like to be a requirement at CWL for 2 aircraft today, but tomorrow there's 3 TUI departures first thing and 3 in the afternoon, so will probably be back by then. It's still early in the month so some days are probably quieter than others before the full program kicks in.

Gurnard 6th May 2019 11:15

As I thought, caaardiff. Thanks - also to chaps1954. I too had noted OY-JZK operating for SAS.

ROC10 6th May 2019 12:15


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10464375)
Looks like to be a requirement at CWL for 2 aircraft today, but tomorrow there's 3 TUI departures first thing and 3 in the afternoon, so will probably be back by then. It's still early in the month so some days are probably quieter than others before the full program kicks in.

There were three departures from CWL this morning but only two this afternoon. Two flights were operated by CWL-based TAWS and TAWX. TAWL positioned down from EDI to operate the third as F-GZTZ operated for TUI to ZTH yesterday afternoon then didn’t return to CWL. Rather it switched operator back to ASL France and is working from CDG.

According to the TUI website, a CWL 738 is due to operate CWL-PMI-EDI this afternoon so presumably the ASL will be back or TOM will provide an alternative from their own fleet or another leased unit.

ROC10 6th May 2019 13:46

Is LTN down to one based aircraft this year? I realise it's still early summer but it only appears to have one 757 based with 738s only occasionally operating flights (once or twice since summer season began).

Gurnard 7th May 2019 07:58


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10464482)


There were three departures from CWL this morning but only two this afternoon. Two flights were operated by CWL-based TAWS and TAWX. TAWL positioned down from EDI to operate the third as F-GZTZ operated for TUI to ZTH yesterday afternoon then didn’t return to CWL. Rather it switched operator back to ASL France and is working from CDG.

According to the TUI website, a CWL 738 is due to operate CWL-PMI-EDI this afternoon so presumably the ASL will be back or TOM will provide an alternative from their own fleet or another leased unit.

F-GZTZ is back at CWL, flying this morning to Reus.

shamrock7seal 7th May 2019 13:46

What is the TUI fleet utilisation? It seems really low. I don't know how they can make money like this - yet they do. Meaning the poor customers are being ripped off.

PDXCWL45 7th May 2019 13:57


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10465433)
What is the TUI fleet utilisation? It seems really low. I don't know how they can make money like this - yet they do. Meaning the poor customers are being ripped off.

At Cardiff each aircraft generally averages 2 departures a day sometimes 3 if they operate shorter routes like Reus and PMI.

caaardiff 7th May 2019 14:03


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10465433)
What is the TUI fleet utilisation? It seems really low. I don't know how they can make money like this - yet they do. Meaning the poor customers are being ripped off.

TUI, TCX and to a point Jet2 are probably similar in their fleet utilisation as they are holiday Airlines flying to Spain, Greece, etc etc which are generally a minimum of 2 hour flights. Don't forget that it's TUI Holidays that makes the money and charters the aircraft from TUI Airways. Very few seats TUI and TCX sell are flight only customers.
You'll generally see 2 return flight per day, for example a 2 hour return flight to spain in the morning then a 3-5 hour return flight in the afternoon. On some days you may get 3 return flights to spain out of the aircraft. It all depends what TUI holidays want.
It's also still start of the season when certain destinations (Greece) haven't ramped up for the summer just yet. Usually by mid/end of May the program is in full swing.
So no, no-one is being ripped off and the fleet utilisation is generally seen around the network, with higher demand airports (LGW/MAN/BHX) probably starting their full program earlier.

azz767 7th May 2019 18:19

Two more summer leases per Jethros and again both to be based at BHX

EC-MUB 738 from Alba Star
G-POWH 757 from Titan

Starting to see the full effects of the max issues now with (excluding standard sunwing leases) no less than 8 leases a/c.

2 Olympus A321
2 Norwegian International 738’s at LGW
1 french 738 at CWL mentioned above
1 Jet Time 738
And the two a/c mentioned in this post.

can you see anymore coming in? How many maxes were there supposed to be in service peak summer time?

I also wonder why BHX has taken the brunt of the hit on leased in aircraft

sewushr 7th May 2019 18:40

I'm not sure the Jethros info is correct re the Birmingham leases.

The Jet Time B738 was only at BHX for 2 days. I suspect it, and the Alba Star which is at BHX now, were only drafted in on short-term leases due to the late start of the Olympus A321 leases (neither of the OLY A321s has flown for TUI yet).

So my guess is there aren't really that many aircraft on full summer season leases.

But standing by to be proved wrong! ;-)

pabely 7th May 2019 19:21

Line Maintenance might be an issue as well, Brum has facilities if anything goes tech, usual TUI engineers will only know Boeing maybe?

Matt995 7th May 2019 20:04


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10465628)

can you see anymore coming in? How many maxes were there supposed to be in service peak summer time?

I also wonder why BHX has taken the brunt of the hit on leased in aircraft



TUI should have had 9 Maxs in service for the end of May, so thats 9 aircraft they have had to find. Possibly 2 of the 757s whos leased have expired, maybe be kept longer, possibly both having maintenance at present, an extra Sunwings 738 has been leased, 1 ASL 738, 3 Olympus A321s, and maybe the Titan 757s?

BHX is a 9 aircraft base for summer, plan was 1 788, 3 757s and 5 737s, 2 ot the 737s has been pinched to replace the Maxs at the other bases, so the new plan as to replace these with 2 Olympus A321s, one might start service on the 12th May, the 2nd would be needed from the 17th, the Alba Star/Jettime/Titan aircraft are therefore being sub chartered at present to replace the Olympus A321s! Complicated! But things might yet change........

737James 8th May 2019 10:36

I am due to be flying out of BHX in July with Tui on a 738 as they are still selling the Extra Space seats e.g The ones that anyone can sit in ,am I to presume that my flights will be on Tui aircraft ?

I have also had a schedule change on the inbound flight back from PFO which is on a Sunday night which is a little strange as they have made it earlier and now right in the middle of the Sunday night peak where the airport struggles to cope with pax and ground services seemed more sense to arrive and depart two hours later

Sharklet_321 8th May 2019 11:11

Anyone know if TUI are loading more inventory for BOH in summer 2020? So many gaps and it looks like two based aircraft for 3 days in the week.

Matt995 8th May 2019 23:02


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10466676)
Matt995 - you mentioned TUI leasing an ACL 738. Who are ACL ?

sorry should have been ASL of France, glad someone is paying attention!! :ok:

matjr79 9th May 2019 16:41

MAN-RHO
 
Flying TOM2658/22Jun MAN-RHO.

Seat selected last week online and saw that i'm flying on a B763, happy with that!

Row 1-47 was available so we're on a Y328 version which must be either SE-RNC or G-OBYH? Have either got seat back TV?

Matjr79

ROC10 9th May 2019 18:20


Originally Posted by matjr79 (Post 10467368)
Flying TOM2658/22Jun MAN-RHO.

Seat selected last week online and saw that i'm flying on a B763, happy with that!

Row 1-47 was available so we're on a Y328 version which must be either SE-RNC or G-OBYH? Have either got seat back TV?

Matjr79

I'd imagine it’ll either be OBYG or OBYH surely? I believe these do have seat-back screens but not sure. If you’re lucky you could end up on a 787. FR24 has that flight number as a 788 next Saturday but of course TUI’s website will be more accurate.

MattGarner 10th May 2019 06:04

Was supposed to fly on 767 to Corfu from Manchester but has apparently gone tech in Dubai. Anyone know what plane it should have been in terms of reg?

Currently on the way to Cardiff to fly from there. Other groups of people have gone to East Midlands as well.

sixchannel 10th May 2019 06:58


Originally Posted by MattGarner (Post 10467781)
Was supposed to fly on 767 to Corfu from Manchester but has apparently gone tech in Dubai. Anyone know what plane it should have been in terms of reg?

Currently on the way to Cardiff to fly from there. Other groups of people have gone to East Midlands as well.

For TUI it never rains but it pours, as my Ma used to say.

azz767 10th May 2019 07:14

Well as far as I’m aware the two UK reg’d 767’s are still out of service in the Far East I don’t know when they’re due back either.

The two swedish 767’s have been doing a lot of flying from MAN over the last couple of weeks so I’d assume it’s one of those

MattGarner 10th May 2019 07:22


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10467829)
Well as far as I’m aware the two UK reg’d 767’s are still out of service in the Far East I don’t know when they’re due back either.

The two swedish 767’s have been doing a lot of flying from MAN over the last couple of weeks so I’d assume it’s one of those

I did check those but they seem to be in Europe? Dubai was being thrown about so not sure how true that is.

Unless they expected the G- 767s back in service at this point.

matjr79 10th May 2019 07:53

Saw a post on on facebook on the 09Apr about the 2 x UK 767s

"Two Boeing 767-300ERs of TUI flew a long way from Stockholm to Taipei and arrived this morning. Both of them will have maintenance assigned to EGAT"

ROC10 10th May 2019 10:19


Originally Posted by MattGarner (Post 10467781)
Was supposed to fly on 767 to Corfu from Manchester but has apparently gone tech in Dubai. Anyone know what plane it should have been in terms of reg?

Currently on the way to Cardiff to fly from there. Other groups of people have gone to East Midlands as well.

It will be G-OBYG as a quick FR24 search shows this was heading back from Taipei and stopped in Dubai.

TUI are using a Privelige Style 763 and Wamos Air A332 from MAN to LPA and TFS today.

matjr79 10th May 2019 14:47

At least the Privelige 763 looks like the old Britannia livery

shamrock7seal 10th May 2019 15:53

What is TUI's utilisation for the 737 fleet? Forget MAX issues...

Seems that in the winter there are whole days that go by where aircraft are not deployed and the summer season is sometimes not as tight as it could be from observation. Surely a company like this should be putting utilisation at the top in terms of priority?

737James 10th May 2019 17:20

I notice that TUI have upped the hand baggage limit on European flights so you can now take 10KG of carry on baggage which is a good thing for customers just hope that they have the space for all the bags if everyone takes their full limit


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