TUI dont have a base at LBA this year

How are TUI share prices doing recently? Many companies who change their names from well known ones don't do as well after. I'm thinking Thomas Cook made a right old cock up with their name changes. I still say Tewey sounds childish.

A bit like Wizz or even worse poor Wow you mean? Worries me when I see a high tech business dumbing down. The fault of smart---d focus groups I expect.
Makes me wonder what else they are.

TUI might sound childish to some but the company are the largest tour and travel company in the world. I remember seeing TUI tour buses in Majorca in 1963 when Thomson was still Universal Sky Tours flying the Bristol Britannia. It became Thomson in 1965 when the Canadian media group decided to invest into the UK tourist market.

I notice for summer 2019 that TUI have learnt from issues last summer on LCA and PFO flights on Sunday nights where the average inbound delay was 48 mins mainly due to delays getting aircraft turned around and slot restrictions in the Nicosia sector

So this year a number of Sunday night flights will have 1h15 to 1hr 40 min turnarounds to try and make it appear that the inbound flights operate more on time which I am sure customers will like just means a bit longer day for the crew

What's to like?
A fudging exercise for those keeping such scores.
Pax and crew still get home same time they always did.

Six Channel- I agree its all a PR exercise to make look like on time performance is better, Customers may like it a bit more as wont have that belief that they have been delayed. It should be a bit better at LCA on Sunday nights this year as you havent got Cobalt which had around 8-10 inbounds and 5 outbounds between 22:00 and 01:30

My worry is all the other Jet2,Easyjet,Thomas Cook flights etc will still be getting the slot restrictions and turnaround delays and the TUi aircraft get delayed still as the ground agents have it in their mind that Tui have these long turnarounds . I think BHX is the worst one where there is a 1hr 40min turnaround at PFO so therefore making the crew days even longer i remember last year there was a few instances where quite small delays meant crew went out of hours

Blimey - looks like "heads I lose, tails you win" for TUI here. If they'd done nothing there'd have been people on moaning about constant delays...

Quite so. I'd moan too if the turnaround time was "unrealistic" and my expected TO time was more than an hour (or worse) late and due to pre-known and expected circumstances..
You can fool some if the people - - etc
Reflect "Reality" so punters can book holidays knowing (more or less) what time they really will get home.
And surely it helps TUI Crew Planning so that pilots dont go out of hours, simply waiting.

maybe to keep the compensation outfits a bit quieter, they will cause more airlines to go bust like this..

By telling the Truth?
When I book our Hols, I look at when we will land UK and it's part of a conscious decision process.
Its it's going to be Stupid o'clock, and so many second rotation flights are, I'd sooner know now rather than fume on the day at Stupid o'clock Plus 2 hrs.
Maybe TUI will set Precedent for Honesty.

Can you assist with the operator & a/c type for TOM 4482 in view of the current a/c changes. :ok:

According to flt mapper it should be a TUI boeing 737-8 although the flight on the 1st april was a 757.

In reality once the a/c arrives at destination (LCA or PFO) in the middle of the night the homeward flight should have all been checked in by then, and the pax at the gate>

The crew taking it back will want the pax on ASAP to get going, especially on a 11 hour+ duty day at night, unless they are landing time restricted back in the UK ie no arrivals before say 06.00...
If the local departure slots are restrictive then once the pax are all on board the skipper will call ready to start and try for an earlier slot - either via with their own Ops in UK or via the tower.
9 times out of 10 one can get going home much sooner for everyone's sake

In a previous life the standard line was sorry Captain you cannot advise you won't use discretion for the return flight on report as you might get to XXX and feel fresh as a daisy.
So call us when you arrive in XXX. On arrival in XXX as the passengers came off the front steps, the homeward pax came up the rear steps.
Then if it all went pete tongue wrong and crew went out of hours - rest assured the crews would be put up in the same Hotel as the angry punters.
This EU compensation rule means that airlines are paying a lot more attention to block and turn times.....

Roj747- I presume that you have not been down to LCA or PFO on a Saturday or Sunday recently you have zero chance in my experience of getting an earlier slot plus no chance of getting the ground agent to load the pax or aircraft until the last minute,

Both airports are chaos often requiring outbound flights from UK to be delayed as they simply have no space for you or any spare steps. There was some weeks last year that aircraft would arrive and the pax would disembark from rear stairs once off those steps were took to another aircraft to be used and you had just front steps for return to UK.

It is not helped that most LCA departures are on a Pafos2B SID which takes traffic directly over PFO airport often only around 8000ft then all the traffic is on a TOBAL departure up towards Turkey but mixed in with this you have the traffic from TLV and AMM.

oh for the 727/737, 1-11 or DC-9 with built in air stairs lol

I bet TUI are lamenting not having the air stairs option on the 737-800's anymore lol

thanks for the chaos update 737J -- sounds like JMK Mykonos - in my day we sent down 2 or 3 737's every other day - now it's 4 or 5 every hour on many days

TUI are in the market for used 737s. That clearly indicates the MAX issue is far from short term?

Latest estimate is end of June/mid-july at the earliest for the MAXs to be back in the air....

Er - I think I'll wait a few months after that before i book ANY flight or Holiday that uses a MAX.
Any company that puts profit before people doesn't get my business. And we've no wish to become a further statistic of Boeing's cavalier attitude to safety if it turns out that "The Fix" isn't one.

I'd love to know where they plan on finding some.

Any airline that was in transition as TUI were from NG to MAX wont be letting their NG's go for cheap if at all as they will need them.

I don't think I said anywhere above that TUI intends to put the MAX into the air without any "fix". It's been grounded by Aviation Authorities, not by individual airlines.
How does that put profit before people????

TUI have a strategic decision to make now ( if not been done already) that the MAX will be written out of the S19 schedules and to source replacement a/c, and/or try to utilise their own fleet as optimal as possible to cover the shortfall of up to 9 x 189 seat a/c just in the UK

6 MAX are parked and 3 more were due soon to join TUI UK
That loss of uplift is around 150 flights (departures) a week (based on a conservative 2.5 rotations per day)

They simply cannot attempt to re-jig the schedules in mid season, even if (and very unlikely) we see the MAX certificated again sometime this year.

The press reports that 2 or 3 EU airlines have taken their MAX out of the summer schedules and UFN and AA in the USA have canx 7100 flights (24 a/c)
Ryanair MAX200 were due for this summer - not happening now.

I have a feeling that TUI may have already made the decision to not include the Max aircraft in their summer schedules, As it has been noticed in the last week a number of flights to Turkey that were due to be on Tui aircraft has now been moved to Freebird airlines often doing two rotations a day for Tui from DLM and AYT.

Further to this there appears to have been some capacity cutbacks made for example on Weds from MAN and LGW to PFO they were due to have Dreamliner out in the morning and then a 738 or Max in the late afternoon instead there will just be the Dreamliner flight which will just push the holiday costs up and expect that they start using more ad hoc capacity with TCX and EZY

757 at BRS S19
 

Just checked my seat plan for a flight in Aug from BRS to PFO. It’s changed from a 737 to 757, so maybe the decision has been made to keep at least one 757 at BRS for S19.

I meant the B word, not TUI.

Jehtro's site has stated that G-CPEV's lease may be extended in regards to the 737 MAX issues.

Air Tankers G-VYGM (destined for a summer with Jet2) is operating a FUE - MAN flight as we speak and did TFS yesterday.

IS this staying with TOM right up until it goes to EXS or just filling in for a couple of days?

Probably more to be loaded.

Agreed, almost certainly more to come, as I can't see them dropping Ibiza and Mahon, both of which have been long running and obviously very popular.

It seems TUI is dropping contract with Norwegian. Loads of flights base LGW in the beginning scheduled to operate by Norwegian (D8), now appearing as Thomson Airways (BY) in the last days.

I wonder how TUI will manage this fleet issue, absorbing D8 flights as well as 737 MAX grounding...

Since Norwegian is leasing several a/c for their scheduled ops (see routes online), they would presumably have to lease more for these chartered services. Maybe simpler for TUI to charter their own directly.

And lease directly too. One of the Titan A321's destined for Jet2 this summer has been working for TOM out of STN for the last couple of weeks. Air Tanker G-VYGM was working out of MAN for a while, G-POWD 767-300 from Titan is working out of MAN today and had done LGW in the last week, and also SE-RFR a 767 from the Nordics (ex G-OBYK) did a LPA run from LGW last week two.

It seems however that firstly as more of the 737's come back from Canada their is less need to lease currently (peak summer may be wholly different), but it seems that other than the titan A321 which has done STN services consistently for a number of weeks, the others are one offs, or a couple of days here and there, and that its only certain days of the week where they are short and it mainly seems to be MAN and LGW where they are using the leased a/c to cover the shortfall.

I wonder though as we move to peak summer time, is there going to be anything coming in for the whole summer to cover the max issue? (I know some of the 757's are staying longer but will that be enough to cover?)

Any 757 operating from CWL this summer now that MAX is grounded?

no the base will be all 737

My flight on Thursday from MAN - ACE is now scheduled to be on a 789... Nice upgrade to the premium seats for just £15!!!!

Return a week later showing 752

Both originally 737