Just heard on ground frequency at MAN a 737MAX being towed for long term parking on taxiway Z which I think is the new taxiway in pier 1 T2 unles MAG are going to use it for trials
on pier

Should be insurance cover under airlines operating policy covering costs and expenses resulting from regulator initiated actions in response to a wider global aviation event. Though I doubt insurance underwriters will sit back and accept such risk specific to any new aircraft scenario. Possible some underwriters may look to exclude potential cover relating to a specific new aircraft. In which case, if product defect determined and manufacturer negligence determined, that may present route to legal remedy, perhaps? Could product modifications after the event be considered an admission of an issue in the inherent product safety? Who knows, only the lawyers and courts will decide.

Today's STN flight operated by Titan A321 as G-FDZS positioned to BHX last night and is currently operating BHX-PFO with a 7 hour delay.

TUI have had a rough time with Boeing these past years. Dreamliner delays now 737 problems.

A standard airlines Hull & Liability insurance policy does not cover "consequential costs/business interruption" so it is unlikely the airlines own insurances will cover the costs incurred for a) carrying on flying using other aircraft or sub-charters b) the ongoing lease payments on the grounded aircraft c) additional cost of parking and storage. Every airline will now have a claim against Boeing to try to recover those costs, however I believe Boeing have a cap on the amount they insure for "type grounding" based on an amount per aircraft and a total amount across all aircraft. The amount Boeing insure of course does not limit the amount they become liable for (wouldn't want to be Boeing or their insurer right now). Does however mean that I am sure the airlines will not recover 100% of the interuption costs they incur.

Widebodies MAN/LGW to IBZ
 

Hello,

Any hints about TUI adding some more flights on MAN/LGW to IBZ routes for this summer? Last year some B787/767 night-rotations for July/August went on sale very late (around May/June maybe?). I wonder if this year they are expecting to operate these frequencies or otherwise they will be lost. As well, will we see any widebody operating these routes this summer? I think at least MAN was operated by 767 on weekly basis...

Thnx!

whilst operated by Jet Time, the aircraft was actually flying for TUI Nordic...so not 100% leased out really, just utilising someone elses pilots effectively

According to Jethros, TUI withdrew another 757 in the last couple of days. Have they got enough slack in the fleet to cover the max groundings? I would have thought delaying 757 retirements would have been the easiest way to cover the loss of the max for a few months.

Perhaps the Lease has ended and they have already been sold on??

Yup and maybe a C check due as well £££££

Jethros site states that it will return back to TUI Airways once the 737 MAX are back in service. They effectively lost all of their 737 service because of that.

Per Jethros, G-OBYF and G-OBYK have transferred to the Nordic register. Is this a permanent transfer or summer only? The split is normally 2 in Scandi and 2 in the UK in summer.

There is also an article saying the 767's are getting a cabin refurb. Are they going to lose their IFE? Its one of the main reasons we always select the 767 flight to IBZ when we go in the summer

Wonder will we see the sunwing aircraft any earlier?

The plan is not to lose the IFE as they are planned for long-haul Scandi ops. However, i definitely can't see the benefit of IFE on a 2 hour flight to IBZ that would be the main reason for booking?

From whom are TUI going to source 737 Max replacements ? There aren't that many ACMI 150+ seat aircraft floating around from airlines that would be considered reliable enough for this. Leasing a worn out 30 year old A320 from a startup in a country in Europe that is sourcing aircraft from a boneyard and crewed with super-cheap labour is probably not ideal, unless TUI are prepared to deal with the bad PR when it (most likely) all goes wrong in July (probably while French ATC are on strike, just to make thing more interesting !)

Indeed, ACMI Leasing from less well known and perhaps less salubrious airlines is well underway with both TUI and TCK for many years
Sunwing Smartwings Smartlynx etc etc

There could be some aircraft out there from failed airlines ie: WOW Cobalt Primera Small Planet and Germania.

TUI, Jet2, Icelandic and TCK have all recently retired 757's but it seems their fates are either freighter conversations or the scrap-man.

TUI are using more 3rd party airlines from outstations such as Norwegian Air Europa Freebird Albastar and Volotea.

Titan AW are likely to have their fleet already booked out with BA and Jet2, plus they have their own IT work all of which was in situ before the MAX debacle

Other ACMI airlines include EuroAtlantic Air Belgium Evelop Wamos HiFly and Privilege Style

Jettime are working their backsides off subbing for TUI currently. They already have a strong relationship with the brand after TUI Nordic closure.

Ah - thanks and Enter Air works with TUI Poland

The aircraft ROC10 did a charter for the rugby match between Edinburgh and Munster at Murrayfield.I hope that helps.

I hope Thomson (TUI is a daft name) keep their 757s longer and get back the ones which were retired a few weeks ago. Much nicer plane than a boring 737!

I know a few people keep saying about the poorer fuel efficiency of the 757 compared to the 737/Max, Does anybody know how much trip fuel a full 757 take off with on say BHX-LCA compared to the 737 which i know would be around 14 Tonnes for 738 maybe a bit less for the Max.

757 can carry up to 228-235 pax v.v the 737-800 with 189 pax

757 burns around 3.3 to 3.5 or so tonnes ph

738 2.5 tonnes 189 pax
A321 2.7 tonnes 220 pax

BAC 1-11 500 2.8 tonnes 119 pax
Comet 4C 4 tonnes 119 pax
Trident 3 4.5 tonnes 139 pax
707-320/420 6.5-7 tonnes 189 pax
VC-10 6.5 tonnes 135 pax

fuel burn figs are ''rough'' but a guide

757 capabilities
 

This just came up on the 757 nostalgia thread and highlights what you can do with a 757 that a 737-800 or an A321 can never match...

In 1991 an Air Europe Capt flew KHI-LGW nonstop in 9h 5m with 229 pax (all heavy Danes going home from holiday in BKK to CPH)

Quote from the skipper - (Brakedwell)
The planned routing was BKK - KHI - BEL - LGW - Copenhagen with a full load of large Danes. I was keen to reduce the aggro caused by an impending Gulf War and used every trick I had learned when flying DC-8 freighters. As it was a night flight traffic was light and we were given optimum flight levels for most of the route. I used manual throttles a lot as the auto-throttles tended to hunt up and down at that time. Numerous direct routings also helped. At TOD around Abbeville the fuel was comfortably above the line and well above the legal minimum on shut down.

I wonder if that puts him in the 757 record books ?
KHI-LGW with 229 pax in 9h 5m

Another skipper managed to fly Puerto Plata (POP) to Manchester with an almost a full load in just 8h 50m and another Capt mentions he tried to do POP to LGW but chickened out and went to Cardiff for some gas after 8h 20m. It was a VERY full load of 233 and some very old 'children' on the load sheet,(if you know what I mean)!!

I was Ops controller at Ogdens when we handled AE until the end so I may have met Capt ''Brakedwell''
I often wandered out to the 757's to see how the turnarounds were going...
A few pals were AE CC and my flatmate was a BY 757/767 skipper

We shall all miss the 757

TUI is a tla from the initial company in Germany. Tourisk Union International.

I know it is now a German company but it trades on the London Stock Exchange and the brand "Thomson" was well known and respected. I think it is a marketing mistake to change it to a silly sounding childish name like TUI which rhymes with huwey.

TUI is almost as old as Thomson. I'm sure most would agree that the UK market would have preferred to have retained the well known Thomson name, but operationally and logistically it makes sense to keep the masterbrand under one name across all their markets. Especially markets in which they all serve. They have managed to keep a number of sub-brands in their local country markets including First Choice Holidays and Skytours in the UK.

TUI were very clever at introducing their name and image steadily from 2002. Bringing their brands and family under the "World of TUI" umbrella. Initially standardising the then Britannia Airways, Lunn Poly and Thomson names under the same look and smile logo. The UK market has thus come to know this very well.

I don't quite understand how anyone can see the companies 'acronym' of TUI sound childish? I suppose it could be more childish to think it ryhmes with random names...

Do we know what bases the Sunwings are using this year assume NWI BFS DUB but not sure on LBA
4 are coming across with possibly a 5th
also who looking are maintance was MRL at LBA

Mark