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cornishsimon 30th Nov 2018 10:03
There was a tweet from NqY on 22/11 stating that they would have codeshares.

Im sure that the existing BE services operate with codeshare flight numbers ?


cs

TartinTon 30th Nov 2018 17:08
Originally Posted by cornishsimon (Post 10324382)
There was a tweet from NqY on 22/11 stating that they would have codeshares.

Im sure that the existing BE services operate with codeshare flight numbers ?


cs
They do but from LGW. LHR is a new airport with new flights to share on / new IT systems at BE...new testing procedures etc etc. Wouldn't hold your breath for codeshares appearing this side of Christmas.

toledoashley 30th Nov 2018 17:46
Would they not be the same codeshares they have currently on the EDI and ABZ routes?

EastMids 30th Nov 2018 18:16
Originally Posted by toledoashley (Post 10324745)
Would they not be the same codeshares they have currently on the EDI and ABZ routes?
Not necessarily - it depends on what has been agreed between BEE and it's codeshare partners and it doesn't always follow that two airlines will codeshare on every route they operate. Then there can be the thorny issue of prorates to work out if there isn't a blanket agreement between two airlines.

tigertanaka 1st Dec 2018 13:10
Originally Posted by toledoashley (Post 10324745)
Would they not be the same codeshares they have currently on the EDI and ABZ routes?
BA may probably want to code share on NQY (as they do on the NQY-LGW route) but will have no interest on code shares on EDI or ABZ as they fly there themselves. Virgin will want to code share as well for the feed.

Air India, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Etihad Airways and Singapore Airlines all code share on the Scottish routes. I guess they need to decide decide how much they want to codeshare, considering the feed they can potentially get from NQY and how much their worldwide passengers want to visit Cornwall.

Sharklet_321 1st Dec 2018 14:33
They have beaten off KLM on the Amsterdam route at SOU! Things are looking up at their SOU base then...

Nakata77 1st Dec 2018 15:36
Not if they go to BOH!

PDXCWL45 1st Dec 2018 15:50
Originally Posted by Nakata77 (Post 10325459)
Not if they go to BOH!
I don't see why they would go to BOH. If they can't get enough connecting traffic at SOU i don't see what difference shifting to BOH would make as it's the same area.

Nakata77 2nd Dec 2018 12:02
Will this sale thing be complete before Christmas? Must be concerning for staff...

racedo 2nd Dec 2018 15:21
Originally Posted by Nakata77 (Post 10326105)
Will this sale thing be complete before Christmas? Must be concerning for staff...
No chance, it could be announced but then the bean counters and lawyers start doing their work and it could take months.
Even an agreed sale could collapse if there is something that is hidden in the books.
Witness what happened to WOW from Icelandair last week.

Sale is complete where the 2 companies announce it is complete and not before.

Plane.Silly 3rd Dec 2018 10:22
BA may probably want to code share on NQY (as they do on the NQY-LGW route) but will have no interest on code shares on EDI or ABZ as they fly there themselves
So wouldn't this provide an opportunity if BA take over to concentrate BE solely on the UK domestic market. They could get BE to operate these routes for them instead, freeing up their own metal for other, more lucrative routes

Navpi 3rd Dec 2018 10:33
Originally Posted by cornishsimon (Post 10324332)
Just curious. How long after a route launch do the codeshares get added ?

have tried to book a connecting flight post April ex NQY and can’t get any connections offered apart from BHX and MAN when we’re after connecting at LHR to JFK

cs
just curious CS, with numerous New York options available ex Manchester why Heathrow?

Reversethrustset 3rd Dec 2018 10:47
Plane Silly, it's not BA that will take over, but IAG. Fundamentally the take over, if it happens has nothing to do with BA.

tigertanaka 3rd Dec 2018 14:45
Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10326753)
So wouldn't this provide an opportunity if BA take over to concentrate BE solely on the UK domestic market. They could get BE to operate these routes for them instead, freeing up their own metal for other, more lucrative routes
Maybe they could operate LBA-LHR or a couple of the Cityflyer routes out of LCY but the general consensus seems to be that you can't make money at Heathrow with small planes. All of BA's LHR/LGW domestic routes are operated using A319/320/321s which have between 143 and 218 seats. FlyBe's biggest plane seats 118 people but the bulk of the fleet are the 78 seat Q400s. Swapping over would mean a big drop in passengers but would not free up any slots at LHR for BA to fly to new destinations.

EastMids 3rd Dec 2018 15:42
The problem - as has already been stated - is that the slots Flybe is using at LHR are remedies from the IAG/bmi takeover, and if they are relinquished by Flybe they would be made available for another airline to use to Aberdeen, Edinburgh, etc. It seems likely that IAG/BA would be subject to attention from the Competition and Markets Authority should it acquire Flybe.

Skipness One Foxtrot 3rd Dec 2018 15:44
just curious CS, with numerous New York options available ex Manchester why Heathrow?
Numerous? Ohh bagso, for last summer we had
From MAN :
VS JFK
UA EWR
TCX JFK
Total 3 daily? Am I missing some more MT perhaps?

From LHR :
UA EWR x 5
BA EWR x 2
BA JFK x 8
AA JFK x 4
DL JFK x 2
VS JFK x 6
VS EWR x 1
Total = 28 daily
* exludes AI LHR-EWR now canned

On frequency (and price in Y) you can have UA or VS out of LHR with more options than MAN.

racedo 3rd Dec 2018 16:16
Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10326753)
So wouldn't this provide an opportunity if BA take over to concentrate BE solely on the UK domestic market. They could get BE to operate these routes for them instead, freeing up their own metal for other, more lucrative routes
Bearing in mind how BA had to exit its domestic service because of losses all those years ago. What has changed that will make it more profitable for them ?

The96er 3rd Dec 2018 16:23
Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10326964)
Bearing in mind how BA had to exit its domestic service because of losses all those years ago. What has changed that will make it more profitable for them ?
The BA regional operation of old was saddled with high legacy cost that have largely been stripped away over the years. At the time, it was easier to just cut loose completely rather than to enact wholesale cost reduction exercises.

AirportPlanner1 3rd Dec 2018 17:37
Originally Posted by EastMids (Post 10326944)
The problem - as has already been stated - is that the slots Flybe is using at LHR are remedies from the IAG/bmi takeover, and if they are relinquished by Flybe they would be made available for another airline to use to Aberdeen, Edinburgh, etc. It seems likely that IAG/BA would be subject to attention from the Competition and Markets Authority should it acquire Flybe.
Although if BA used the remedy slots for MAN/ABZ/EDI etc, could they then use some of their own MAN/ABZ/EDI slots for those destinations?

EastMids 3rd Dec 2018 17:49
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10327049)
Although if BA used the remedy slots for MAN/ABZ/EDI etc, could they then use some of their own MAN/ABZ/EDI slots for those destinations?
The slots Flybe are using for ABZ, EDI and NQY were taken from IAG/BA by the competition authorities when IAG acquired BMI. I cannot see any way that those slots would be allowed to go back to BA again (or to another member of the IAG group) even if BA/IAG/Flybe said they were still going to be used on ABZ/EDI/NQY - at least not until other airlines had been given ample opportunity to pitch for them. Those slots were released to enable competition, and competition is usually not allowed to be stifled by a corporate takeover by one of the competing parties. At best, an IAG acquisition of Flybe is likely to be LHR slot-neutral for BA and IAG.


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