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compton3bravo 21st Nov 2018 07:00

''Due a big one' I would suggest Monarch was rather big. As regards government aid in your dreams son, rather more pressing matters at the moment. Transport minister couldn't run a bath! If Flybe goes (hope not) some routes will be picked up by other airlines but not all. Don't forget on domestic routes you pay two lots of APD.

Brigantee 21st Nov 2018 07:37

Flybe are far more important to the economy of the UK than say MON were On many routes they operate they are the life blood of the community which is why im confident the governent will step in

Exeter for eg would be ghost town if flybe went under.

IOM very reliant on them also

ATNotts 21st Nov 2018 07:48


Originally Posted by Brigantee (Post 10316176)
Flybe are far more important to the economy of the UK than say MON were On many routes they operate they are the life blood of the community which is why im confident the governent will step in

Exeter for eg would be ghost town if flybe went under.

IOM very reliant on them also

If the political ethos of the UK was interventionist then perhaps the government would throw money at FlyBe were the worst to happen. However in the real world the only businesses that they are in the least bit interested in supporting are the banks as we learnt back in 2008.

If Exeter (airport) became a ghost town, would No.10 lose a moments sleep? I very much doubt it.

If FlyBe were a major player at LHR, they may give it a little more attention, then move on, let the market decide etc etc.

PDXCWL45 21st Nov 2018 07:58


Originally Posted by Brigantee (Post 10316176)
Flybe are far more important to the economy of the UK than say MON were On many routes they operate they are the life blood of the community which is why im confident the governent will step in

Exeter for eg would be ghost town if flybe went under.

IOM very reliant on them also

The UK government doesn't give a crap about airports like Cardiff and Exeter and Birmingham. As ATNotts point's out if they were the major airline at Heathrow then they would because that would effect London which is their priority.

Mr A Tis 21st Nov 2018 08:11

If the UK Government were remotely interested in regional / domestic aviation they wouldn't be stinging them with one of the world's highest Airport Departure taxes, whilst subsidising profiteering rail franchise operators.

Mike Flynn 21st Nov 2018 08:36


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10316113)
The UK government doesn't give a crap about Flybe. If any government was to step in it would be the Welsh government.

That won’t happen.

The Welsh goverment support the infrastructure not the airlines.The biggest deal at EGFF is British Airways maintenance.

Flybe will probably emerge from this as a trimmed down super version of the old JEA operation.

If it was not for politics Filton would now be the logical replacement for both Cardiff and Lulsgate.

GROUNDHOG 21st Nov 2018 08:43


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10316199)
If the UK Government were remotely interested in regional / domestic aviation they wouldn't be stinging them with one of the world's highest Airport Departure taxes, whilst subsidising profiteering rail franchise operators.

You mean like subsidising the NQY/LGW route when it should be and has been perfectly viable on its own over many years.

PDXCWL45 21st Nov 2018 09:47


Originally Posted by Mike Flynn (Post 10316219)


That wonít happen.

The Welsh goverment support the infrastructure not the airlines.The biggest deal at EGFF is British Airways maintenance.

Flybe will probably emerge from this as a trimmed down super version of the old JEA operation.

If it was not for politics Filton would now be the logical replacement for both Cardiff and Lulsgate.

It probably won't happen but they do have a marketing deal with Qatar Airways so if they feel it's worth it they'll support a route/airline but Flybe needs an investor. Hopefully behind the scenes both the airport and the government will be lobbying potentional investors for Flybe.
It amases me why people think taking away Wales only airport with international connections and moving it too England would be good for Wales as a country? Cardiff may be small but it is in Wales which people seem to ignore is actually a country and not a region of England or a suburb of Bristol and Manchester. Guess it just shows how Wales and us Welsh are perceived by our neighbours.

caaardiff 21st Nov 2018 09:59


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10316262)
It probably won't happen but they do have a marketing deal with Qatar Airways so if they feel it's worth it they'll support a route/airline but Flybe needs an investor. Hopefully behind the scenes both the airport and the government will be lobbying potentional investors for Flybe.
It amases me why people think taking away Wales only airport with international connections and moving it too England would be good for Wales as a country? Cardiff may be small but it is in Wales which people seem to ignore is actually a country and not a region of England or a suburb of Bristol and Manchester. Guess it just shows how Wales and us Welsh are perceived by our neighbours.

Providing marketing support is a way to get around government aid payments. They aren't paying QR to be there, they are paying to advertise the route.
Behind the scenes the setup of blackbird at CWL is that some arm of CWL/WG is pretty much chartering the aircraft to run, with whatever else is included in the deal.
Do you really think the WG will invest in an Airline that's struggling that only operates what, 5% of its flights in Wales? There was uproar about buying CWL, it would be political suicide. Let's be realistic.

Airports are commercial entities, having CWL is political and patriotic, but in reality Filton is just as accessible as BRS and CWL and could've provided a much better airport for the southwest and Wales region which may have actually resulted in better links and a much busier airport. It's would still be accessible for people to fly from and work from. The tolls are going and it would be on major rail and road links. Easily accessible for Airport workers and crews.

PDXCWL45 21st Nov 2018 10:23


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10316269)
Providing marketing support is a way to get around government aid payments. They aren't paying QR to be there, they are paying to advertise the route.
Behind the scenes the setup of blackbird at CWL is that some arm of CWL/WG is pretty much chartering the aircraft to run, with whatever else is included in the deal.
Do you really think the WG will invest in an Airline that's struggling that only operates what, 5% of its flights in Wales? There was uproar about buying CWL, it would be political suicide. Let's be realistic.

Airports are commercial entities, having CWL is political and patriotic, but in reality Filton is just as accessible as BRS and CWL and could've provided a much better airport for the southwest and Wales region which may have actually resulted in better links and a much busier airport. It's would still be accessible for people to fly from and work from. The tolls are going and it would be on major rail and road links. Easily accessible for Airport workers and crews.

The likelihood of WG increasing in Flybe is small and like you said it would cause a political backlash but like i said they might be able to lobby people who can invest in Flybe.
Yes airports are commercial entities but they are also part of a countries transport infrastructure and international access to that country. That access would be diminished without it especially for a country like Wales.

WHBM 21st Nov 2018 12:29


Originally Posted by Mike Flynn (Post 10316219)
If it was not for politics Filton would now be the logical replacement for both Cardiff and Lulsgate.

Actually that was a commercial decision, by the old Bristol Aeroplane Company, in the early 1950s when the old prewar Bristol airport at Whitchurch became outdated and too small for operations, there was Filton, with its huge runway extended for Brabazon production, but when it was put to them to build a civil terminal Bristol Aeroplane refused to have such a "disruptive" operation on Their Airfield. So their second best choice was the old RAF site at Lulsgate, always known as a poor location (and it still is)..

There was an element of politics, because if Filton had been within Bristol the city could have had more influence. The town is, but the airfield site was just over the border in Gloucestershire. The old Whitchurch airport had been owned and developed by the city, but had been taken over by the Ministry postwar, who despite being a considerable funder of Bristol Aeroplane, for the Brabazon, Britannia, and other types, did not force things through.

shamrock7seal 21st Nov 2018 13:15

Didn’t eastern operate LCY-NCL previously with a J-41 or a leased D328? Why do they think it’s gonna work this time?

PDXCWL45 21st Nov 2018 13:33


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10316421)
Didnít eastern operate LCY-NCL previously with a J-41 or a leased D328? Why do they think itís gonna work this time?

You posted about Flybe and BA Cityflyer merging a rumour of it. Where did you hear the rumour?

shamrock7seal 21st Nov 2018 13:54

That would be telling

PDXCWL45 21st Nov 2018 13:57


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10316453)
That would be telling

Please tell then!

supermarine 21st Nov 2018 14:52

Flybe managing to raise substantial cash sums on their own, it looks like they are hunkering down for the lean winter period and hopefully tweaking a few loss making routes. Good luck, they are a very much needed and I look forward to seeing their share price rising.

Brigantee 21st Nov 2018 15:00


Originally Posted by supermarine (Post 10316515)
Flybe managing to raise substantial cash sums on their own, it looks like they are hunkering down for the lean winter period and hopefully tweaking a few loss making routes. Good luck, they are a very much needed and I look forward to seeing their share price rising.


Yes once a bit of positive news filters through and people realise there going nowhere the share price will surely be back up again , They may ditch a few routes but canít see anything worse than that happening , To much doom and gloom on these pages






Andy_S 21st Nov 2018 15:25


Originally Posted by Brigantee (Post 10316521)
Yes once a bit of positive news filters through and people realise there going nowhere the share price will surely be back up again , They may ditch a few routes but canít see anything worse than that happening , To much doom and gloom on these pages

Just capturing this for future reference.

Brigantee 21st Nov 2018 15:37


Originally Posted by Andy_S (Post 10316546)
Just capturing this for future reference.

I think people need to be far more positive , All this doom- mongering can only make things worse, flybe are going through a sticky patch this happens to many airlines from time to time wonít be long before this all history and everyone will be wondering what all the fuss was about







SWBKCB 21st Nov 2018 15:37


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10316421)
Didnít eastern operate LCY-NCL previously with a J-41 or a leased D328? Why do they think itís gonna work this time?

1. Yes 2. may be by being combined with an existing route, more suitable a/c type, less competition?


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