Originally Posted by Rutan16
(Post 10314368)
Still carrying 60 with significant numbers being codeshare passengers at pence in the pound will never pay the bills period ; That’s exactly the formula that did in bmi ! by class meaning that far from pennies, codeshare pax can actually be worth significant revenues often better than the point to point pax! You just need to have people who know what their doing. |
I cannot see how the LHR routes make money.
A320 every hour wuth semi seamless connections or the flybe option in a Dash ! vanity ? or nice juicy sale when time permits . |
Originally Posted by Navpi
(Post 10314554)
Ior nice juicy sale when time permits .
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Rutan16, thanks for the comprehensive response and factual rebuttal. Although they may be BA’s, BA cannot use them. When you say ‘lease’ who gets paid what? |
Am I dreaming or did Flybe pay £15 million for some LGW slots not that long ago? If so, presumably they are freehold, unrestricted and theirs to sell? So that's around half the sale price of the company?
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10314391)
LGW and LCY have to stand on their own two feet as there's almost zero feed to long haul outwith the first wave LGW southbounds.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10314369)
Are you suggesting that BA's UK domestics are profitable ?
Not sure how they all stack up on an O&D basis but all the domestics produce a huge amount of feed for BA into LHR (LBA probably being the best example of this). |
Originally Posted by 01475
(Post 10313224)
The figures in the graph are utterly useless (also ignoring franchises, along with the other faults).
Flybe's accounts tell me that their underlying business might not be entirely sound, but is recoverable and certainly isn't awful. ( |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10314354)
Not necessarily. More efficient flying 60 people to Edinburgh in a Dash than to Manchester in an Airbus. Not saying it’s making money, but it’s not necessarily losing too much. Could BE sub-let the slots to someone else? Or even if it came to it launch a route to Guangzhou (operated by China Southern)? |
Originally Posted by RexBanner
(Post 10314735)
JER, GLA and EDI all feed the Longhaul from Gatwick, a small amount will connect from Europe too.
A320 every hour wuth semi seamless connections or the flybe option in a Dash ! One of the challenges must be that flybe are competing with their borderline LHR operations with a large operation out of LCY. Now BA can do this better, in the way LHR-GLA was downsized and LCY-GLA up-sized with a move away from connections to support strong point to point London traffic but I don't see flybe having the benefits of scale to do this. |
Originally Posted by anothertyke
(Post 10314715)
Am I dreaming or did Flybe pay £15 million for some LGW slots not that long ago? If so, presumably they are freehold, unrestricted and theirs to sell? So that's around half the sale price of the company?
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10314369)
Are you suggesting that BA's UK domestics are profitable ?
How the figures are represented is, of course, quite different. I can present you with figures which, on a straightforward accounting basis, show the BA Domestics as profitable. I can also present you with figures done on an equally straightforward basis which show they have lost considerable money for each of the last 45 years. What do you want me to show ? Despite all this, BA choose to let them absorb a substantial number of Heathrow slots which have great value. I did once, in consecutive weeks, pay more on a BA Monday morning trip to Aberdeen than on a trip to Miami. Both in Y. The Aberdeen flight was fuller ... A network carrier means what it says, it is the overall network which is the asset value; trying to salami slice it down and look at individual bits is, to an extent, a disconnected beancounting pastime. A considerable part of how BMI lost so much is they were constrained by Star Alliance connecting passenger revenue splitting. It worked OK where you had the long haul, but BMI, uniquely short haul only in the alliance, were short changed by all the long haul carriers into Heathrow. That was a real loss. |
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 10314872)
The only slots Flybe have at LGW are for the NQY route. The rest were sold off for £25 million. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...t-for-20m.html
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Originally Posted by Mike Flynn
(Post 10314813)
Now you are getting in to dreamland. No UK regional operator could ever fly to Guangzhou.If anyone could challenge China Southern it would be Air Asia. Trust me I live here.China Southern already operate two flights a day from Heathrow but Guangzhou is an awful airport compared to neighbouring Hong Kong. Read between the lines. Perhaps you didn’t on purpose. |
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-flybe-2236883 Could be great news if they get a wealthy owner prepared to invest in the airline |
Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10314936)
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-flybe-2236883 Could be great news if they get a wealthy owner prepared to invest in the airline |
Why on earth would easy jet want to get involved with a basket case regional airline ?
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 10314881)
If they weren't profitable they wouldn't do them. I think you know this :)
I've spent the last 50 years watching with interest while BEA/BA gradually extricated themselves from a large network of increasingly unviable UK domestic routes. I'm prepare to accept that, on any sensible accounting basis, the presence of those remaining routes adds move value to the overall BA operation than their absence would. But that's not the same thing at all as saying that there are profitable in their own right. |
Originally Posted by Doc Q
(Post 10314948)
Why on earth would easy jet want to get involved with a basket case regional airline ?
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF
(Post 10315046)
Eliminating competition.
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