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Originally Posted by cornishsimon
(Post 10312971)
Let’s be honest here. The purpose of the STK/BE tie up was to open up SEN and prove it was viable and that people would use it they proved that routes were viable and that people wanted to use SEN, the franchise served its purpose and STk can take a loss from it because they have now attracted FR to operate along side U2, all of which will pay STK for the use of SEN and ground handling and fuel etc job done. I don’t think STK are stupid with the way this has played out cs |
Much use of the Aviation Analytics data in this thread - though this seems flawed and somewhat sketchy - airports missing, data not taking into account code shares, data ranked by potential Profit or Loss amount by ticket, and not ranked by total amount by airport etc..
A bit more data might more accurately reflect the actual position, which might be a bit better.... or indeed a bit or a lot worse. However, what might be most important is Aviation Analytics own view of flybe - "the underlying business is sound". The domestic APD charge of £13.50 per sector is flybe's enemy. |
The figures in the graph are utterly useless (also ignoring franchises, along with the other faults).
Flybe's accounts tell me that their underlying business might not be entirely sound, but is recoverable and certainly isn't awful. Even if the E195s are a convenient excuse and the effect of them wasn't quite as bad as they try to make out, they were still a momentously disastrous event in their history. However, many business with sound trading in present but disasters lurking in their history have failed, like Sky Europe and Fly Globespan. We have lost passenger services from a lot of regional airports in recent years, and it's right to be fearful for them. It may not be that FlyBe itself is the direct cause of the next one having problems. However the same market factors that are causing FlyBe to have problems very well could. There are two obvious candidates for being next (or three if passenger services at CAX ever start...) :-( |
The figures in the graph are utterly useless (also ignoring franchises, along with the other faults). |
Flybe at NWI
Originally Posted by NickBarnes
(Post 10313101)
Norwich will be fine without Flybe I can assure you Mike/Jaysata, Aberdeen would almost certainly be replaced, and I'd porbably see someone else replacing one of the sun routes at least, possibly just lose the Exeter route, so really has little relevance to it all, airports like SOU etc have a hell of a lot more to lose. Any further posts from Mike please ignore everyone.
the Aberdeen route is a Eastern Airways slot operated by BMI so that will remain maybe Loganair will pick it up The Exeter route is used for crewing purpose on the Alicante Malaga flights they change crew in Exeter could see another operator maybe but to attract new customers need to rethink about the airport tax The summer Jersey flight been cancelled next year uncertain times Mark |
According to this article Flybe won't go bust.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2018/11/17/why-flybe-will-not-go-bankrupt/ |
I wouldnt put my house on it....
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10313517)
According to this article Flybe won't go bust.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2018/1...t-go-bankrupt/ |
Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 10313826)
All good and well but have doubts got into customers heads, advanced bookings must be down, we have seen a similar thing on a much larger scale with Monarch, Gossip and rumour is very damaging, once doubts and rumours are in the traveling public domain nothing is certain unfortunately. |
Would have thought the potential demise of flybe is a welcome distraction for the masses from the brexit debacle |
Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10313857)
Would have thought the potential demise of flybe is a welcome distraction for the masses from the brexit debacle |
Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10313857)
Would have thought the potential demise of flybe is a welcome distraction for the masses from the brexit debacle |
Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10313875)
Think most people will not know its even an airline..................... which is part of the problem.
Im sure that’s not the case , The seemingly never ending litany of mechanical disasters that are reported with glee by the press involving the Q 400 aircraft have given flybe a certain notoriety in the public’s eye |
Originally Posted by Flightrider
(Post 10312951)
Heavens Mike - Norwich is barely relevant to the Flybe thread and yet here we are again. Give us a break, will you?
But airports such as Cardiff and Norwich, which are heavily dependent on Flybe but are outside its central core, must be concerned. They have intense competition from nearby airports, Bristol and Stansted respectively. I would be surprised if every Flybe flight that is currently on sale for the summer of 2019 actually takes off. I think it unlikely that the airline will cease to exist – the fact that several potential suitors are talking indicates it has value – but the current route network is an odd shape. The central core of routes is likely to endure, because it is an efficient and coherent network. The Channel Islands services should mostly also look the same. But a route such as Doncaster-Sheffield to Alicante, operating three days a week, looks an outlier. |
Originally Posted by Mike Flynn
(Post 10313954)
The Independant’s travel expert Simon Calder thinks otherwise. Wrtiting in todays paper he suggests a new buyer will be pruning the current network to restore profitability. Full story here https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8635186.html Yawn Yawn Yawn here we go again what is it with you and your one man agenda. Simon Calder someone who I totally respect as an experienced travel expert may well be correct in his assumption but he's not gloating about the situation as is very obvious in your case. You have had your time away from these forums (which we've all enjoyed btw) and recently reappeared under a different username but still with the same agenda, your unbelievable. |
Interestingly, when the Spanish services from Exeter and Norwich, were stopped, temporarily, with the E95 after Christmas, Flybe continued the Exeter-Norwich service with the Dash. I must admit when I have flown the route the loads are full or nearly full. Also, the fares, if booked early, are cheap as it is a start up route. Another point is that the hinterland for this route is increased because there is no direct competition for Norwich, as Luton and Stansted don’t fly to Exeter. |
Originally Posted by canberra97
(Post 10313988)
Yawn Yawn Yawn here we go again what is it with you and your one man agenda. Simon Calder someone who I totally respect as an experienced travel expert may well be correct in his assumption but he's not gloating about the situation as is very obvious in your case. You have had your time away from these forums (which we've all enjoyed btw) and recently reappeared under a different username but still with the same agenda, your unbelievable. I have ignored your flaming but just to put my case on record for others. I have never been banned from this forum. Last time I checked this is a forum for pilots. I have held UK,US and Australian fixed wing and helicopter licences for 35 years. Over the years I have landed at just about every UK airport and picked up fuel. I have owned many aircraft and indeed owned and operated a fuel bowser at CWL in the 1980’s. Be interested to see what aviation operations experience you have or indeed if you hold any flying licences? Perhaps you can post your aviation credentials or just wind your neck in a little? It is easy to pass judgment on any business you have never been involved in. Flybe has peripheral ops that depend on the Oil and Gas industry as indeed do several airports such as Humberside and Durham Tees. Norwich hits Flybe passengers with a 25% penalty on a £40 trip to Exeter via their airport development fee. Add to that passenger duty and investors are better off not bothering with at best a marginal airline. If Flybe withdraws from airports such as above it hits their bottom line. regards Mike |
Originally Posted by Doc Q
(Post 10313903)
Im sure that’s not the case , The seemingly never ending litany of mechanical disasters that are reported with glee by the press involving the Q 400 aircraft have given flybe a certain notoriety in the public’s eye |
Originally Posted by Mike Flynn
(Post 10314038)
Flybe has peripheral ops that depend on the Oil and Gas industry as indeed do several airports such as Humberside and Durham Tees. |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10314072)
There’s a lot of oil and gas traffic is there between Southampton and Rennes? Birmingham and Milan? Manchester and Exeter? |
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