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asdf1234 23rd Jan 2020 21:01


Originally Posted by bmaviscount (Post 10669763)
i'm surprised they don't attempt a single daily LCY GCI service ; might make more sense

BBC News - Flybe Guernsey-Heathrow link cancelled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...rnsey-51228034

Looks like the new owners of Flybe have decided the Heathrow slot will be better served by Virgin Atlantic? Moving the flight to Southend doesn't help people looking to get on to onwards international flights.

kcockayne 23rd Jan 2020 21:10


Originally Posted by asdf1234 (Post 10669791)
BBC News - Flybe Guernsey-Heathrow link cancelled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...rnsey-51228034

Looks like the new owners of Flybe have decided the Heathrow slot will be better served by Virgin Atlantic? Moving the flight to Southend doesn't help people looking to get on to onwards international flights.

That was always the case & was pointed out in this forum before BEE started the Heathrow to Guernsey route last year. BEE were only ever "slot sitting" for DAL/VIR - until such time as they found a better use for it. It was also pointed out to the States of Guernsey, who were also well aware of the reality; but chose to publicise the route as something of a coup for them. That's politics; you can fool some of the people all of the time etc. Seems that the Southend service may not be all that it is cracked up to be, either.

DC3 Dave 23rd Jan 2020 21:59

Who cracked the service to SEN to be a serious competitor to anybody?

As others have indicated, a summer service to Guernsey - maybe 2/3/4 times a week may be sustainable. Nobody is suggesting that SEN can replace LHR, even if the subsidy was doubled.

kcockayne 23rd Jan 2020 22:13


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10669838)
Who cracked the service to SEN to be a serious competitor to anybody?

As others have indicated, a summer service to Guernsey - maybe 2/3/4 times a week may be sustainable. Nobody is suggesting that SEN can replace LHR, even if the subsidy was doubled.

I am simply suggesting that Heathrow to Guernsey was something of a con trick , & that the Southend service is , perhaps, designed as a smoke screen to fool those who might be expecting something more than is going to be delivered.

horatio_b 24th Jan 2020 20:10

Flybe owners requesting £100m short term loan from Government on "commercial terms"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51244308

DC3 Dave 24th Jan 2020 20:28

So what happens if they default? Will the government bring Flybe down?

lfc84 24th Jan 2020 21:00

Tomorrow’s Times “Flybe will tell the government that it needs a £100 million loan to survive the winter, on top of the £106 million tax bill deferrment it has received”

So, thinking about it....they need a £100 million loan in order to get through the next 9 weeks !

richardnei 24th Jan 2020 21:00

So if they want a loan on “commercial terms” why not go to the Banks?

is it because they won’t lend to them?





Originally Posted by horatio_b (Post 10670664)
Flybe owners requesting £100m short term loan from Government on "commercial terms"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51244308


TartinTon 24th Jan 2020 21:04

You have to expect that the government will tell them to go whistle. If they need money then Cyrus and the grinning jumper should be funding it! I can't believe this is even under consideration.

BHD2BFS 24th Jan 2020 22:22

Eastern Airways
 
Reading between the lines today with the new routes announced by Eastern Airways are they cutting ties with Flybe and going it alone once again ?
cant find an articles to say the new flights can be booked through Flybe. All just commenting that they will on sale on eastern website and no comment from Flybe at it all?

cornishsimon 24th Jan 2020 22:28

Eastern is more of a basket case than flybe in my opinion


cs

lfc84 24th Jan 2020 22:38


Originally Posted by BHD2BFS (Post 10670760)
Reading between the lines today with the new routes announced by Eastern Airways are they cutting ties with Flybe and going it alone once again ?
cant find an articles to say the new flights can be booked through Flybe. All just commenting that they will on sale on eastern website and no comment from Flybe at it all?

the eastern website doesnt have a reservation engine. it redirects to flybe

EI-BUD 25th Jan 2020 14:48

It was reported on this site in the weeks prior to the well publicised near collapse that the airline had commenced a head count reduction at HQ in Exeter.

Does anybody know where this exercise is at?
How many are to go? How will they fund the redundancy cost? I'm imagining that there are long standing employees who might well be entitled to apply a severance package.?

Anybody on here close to that process?

Rutan16 25th Jan 2020 16:54


Originally Posted by EI-BUD (Post 10671305)
It was reported on this site in the weeks prior to the well publicised near collapse that the airline had commenced a head count reduction at HQ in Exeter.

Does anybody know where this exercise is at?
How many are to go? How will they fund the redundancy cost? I'm imagining that there are long standing employees who might well be entitled to apply a severance package.?

Anybody on here close to that process?


Unless you have defined in your contract specific redundancy terms or agree voluntary terms the English statutory redundancy terms apply.

They are rather less generous than most expect .

In simple terms first two years - Nil other than accrued holiday pay

The for complete years worked up to your 22nd birthday half weeks pay for each year service.
22 -40 one weeks pay for for each completed years service
Over 40 1½ weeks pay for each completed years service
Cap out at a maximum of 20 years service and cap of weekly pay £525 per week maximum

Maximum payment can not exceed £15,750





Brigantee 26th Jan 2020 14:27

https://www.cityam.com/flybe-looks-f...saves-airline/




Surely a cash for taking flybe into public ownership given it is vital for the UK economy .

SealinkBF 26th Jan 2020 18:04

Can FlyBe survive? As pointed out earlier, Connect have barely touched their network in the last year.

The Telegraph is going after them all guns blazing. Mind you, BA advertise with them and that paper tries to be sympathetic to advertisers!

Brigantee 27th Jan 2020 18:32


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 10672213)
Can FlyBe survive? As pointed out earlier, Connect have barely touched their network in the last year.

The Telegraph is going after them all guns blazing. Mind you, BA advertise with them and that paper tries to be sympathetic to advertisers!


https://www.ft.com/content/c87a967a-...7-eae9bd51ceba

This is why flybe needs to
be in public ownership

rog747 27th Jan 2020 18:51


Originally Posted by Brigantee (Post 10673166)
https://www.ft.com/content/c87a967a-...7-eae9bd51ceba

This is why flybe needs to
be in public ownership

Sorry FT links do not work as cannot be read unless one subscribes to the paper - can you elaborate please?

SWBKCB 27th Jan 2020 18:51


cant find an articles to say the new flights can be booked through Flybe. All just commenting that they will on sale on eastern website and no comment from Flybe at it all?
Just lazy journalism, not looking through the smoke and mirrors as the Mayor and Eastern try and avoid the damaged Flybe brand. However, the Eastern website directs you to the Flybe booking engine and Eastern's own press release says


A network of Flybe franchise routes linking Teesside International Airport with the length and breadth of the UK and Ireland, including London and Dublin, have today been announced.

Roger Hage, Eastern Airways’ General Manager Commercial & Operations, said: “This is a significant strategic partnership for both the airline and airport to develop the number of destinations available from Teesside Airport. The mix of business and leisure travellers in the region will benefit from this major expansion of three based aircraft operating a broad Teesside network of Flybe routes operated by Eastern Airways, including a number of onward connections in the wider flybe network.”




https://www.easternairways.com/news/...-international

cornishsimon 27th Jan 2020 21:03

When flybe were rumored to be heading down the sink recently an interesting article came out suggesting plans were in place for the network to be cut into bits and various routes taken over by other airlines.

as it was behind a paywall I don’t know how detailed the reports were, can anyone elaborate ?

at this point I think a government loan isn’t going to be seen to be fair, and if it needs a loan on commercial terms why doesn’t Virgin Atlantic loan them ?

surely the better outcome would of been for IAG to buy the company rather than connect last year ?

cs


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