Company information is and had always been freely available.

Exim provide very low cost loans to anybody buying from US, no different from what UK Govt or others provide in way of Export Finance.

As for leasing................ not unsurprisingly Sale and Leaseback is a very efficient way to look after your own cash. Means someone else funds it at a low interest rate while you use the cash.

Few UK retailers own their own stores................ they buy the land and build it they sales and lease back the stores.

A particular problem is that if you want to sue them for more than they feel like offering, you have to do so in the Irish small claims court.

And on another matter, quite a few companies issue shares to their employees; it's encouraged by the taxman. Save as you earn, I think it's called.

Its amusing watching politicians and CAA support EU261 but strange they refuse to implement it on US Airlines. Watching the media say how great the law is while on the other hand damming EU laws as unacceptable. Hypocrisy much,

If the CAA are interpreting EU261 in a way that is incorrect then Ryanair can follow their interpretation and then challenge it in court. A Judge finding that interpretation and demands by CAA were unreasonable and not backed by any case law would end up CAA paying ALL the costs involved in it.

Someone at CAA is attempting to make a name for themselves.

Ryanair governed by IAA not CAA..

CAA will try and do this in the Court of Media Opinion but when it gets to Legal Court they may find the Judge interprets it differently.

True but in the eye of disgruntled customers yet again Ryanair look like they still have no respect for customers or the law they may as well just still two fingers up at everyone yet again PR disaster.

I'm getting a letter sent off of complaint off to a couple of airlines tommorow and cc'ing the CAA demanding full compensation be enforced for when airlines refused to do what they are now trying to force Ryanair to do because clearly I am owed money.

The Ryanair letter being in the public domain is very handy for me since it can be used against both the airlines and the CAA if the former doesn't want to pay up or the later doesn't force them to, needless to say I've quoted their words in my complaints.

I will let people know how I get on but I doubt it will be anytime soon.

Thing is though if it goes to court and the courts don't agree with the CAA and Ryanair's revenue are hit because of these demands from the CAA then I'd assume that the CAA would have to compensate Ryanair for that.

I'm not saying it will happen but if the CAA grandstand on this and are found to be wrong then it could be an expensive bill for them.

From sky news

Ryanair says it will respond to regulator's call for it to sort compensation for customers affected by cancellations before 5pm deadline

I think what irritates me is that the regulator are only taking action when it hits the headlines, when it appears to have been standard practice amongst some airlines for years. Certainly I was one of hundreds of EZY pax who were refused alternative travel in BCN last year.

Even now the EZY website says alternative carriers are only offered if they can't you to your destination in 48 hours - is this right?

So why exactly did mutti not achieve the colossal victory which all and sundry predicted for her?

And what exactly is the long term future of Ireland in the EU27 as a net contributor?

Please re-read my post.

¿ Or just read it ?

No, it is not.

This is an industry wide problem and the CAA need to treat it as such rather than picking and choosing who they are going to enforce it on.

EASYJET
That doesn't sound like it complies on many grounds, especially with the restrictions on price and the timeframe limits that they are putting on it

WIZZ
Again this is clearly not adhering to the kind of guidelines that the CAA are trying to implement.

My sentiments exactly, it's not a good sign of a regulator when they are only regulating and standing up for passenger rights re-actively rather than proactively dealing with all of those who are not complying with EU regulations.

You should put a claim into Easyjet right now and use the CAA's letter and their interpretation of the rules as basis for that so they have to pay out, if they don't write to the CAA and push them to force Easyjet to do it.

If they still don't do it write to the EC and complain that Easyjet is not adhering to European regulations and the CAA are refusing to enforce EU regulations as is their duty as the regulator in the UK.

I'm not defending Ryanair here, simply saying that this is far from just a Ryanair issue, the fact that airlines have been able to get away with it for so long is the reason that so many airlines are at it since they knew the regulator has been toothless in the past.

Ryanair expected to come out fighting now over what they believe is cherry picking of airlines by the CAA in relation to enforcement action.

I would be interested to see if they now made a complaint to the European Commission.

When I was disrupted (not by RYR but a UK lo co) I was given the runaround. Did not bother faffing with the CAA or the ADR schemes, all toothless. Instead small claims court was straight forward and of course in the end the lo co coughed up. It's a game to them and it's time the CAA sorted it out for all carriers.

Ryanair has buckled:
Ryanair Explains How And When It Will Re-Route Customers Affected By Flight Cancellations | Ryanair's Corporate Website

They could have ignored the CAA, but it would have been worse ignoring Varadkar with a bit of their own regulator the IAA thrown in:
Varadkar calls on Ryanair to ensure passengers' rights are protected | BreakingNews.ie

Ryanair now are questioning why the CAA are not doing anything about BA

To date the CAA however has shown a blatant disregard in dealing with issues with their airlines registered in their own country so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Wonder if there have been some high level talks beween Belfast, Downing Street and Dublin. Why don't FR just reinstate the Scotland and Belfast routes, saving face and Christmas. The rest of Europe is pretty quiet about the whole thing.

So, if I contact Ryanair now, I will get my refunded flight, rescheduled?

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ry...ons/?market=ie

I need to know because I'm going to pick up the phone and call them now.

Looks like Ryanair are now trying to expose the EU261 con for what it really is now, endemic throughout the industry rather than the solely Ryanair issue the CAA are painting it out as.

Enforcement of EU261/2004 in UK/ Ireland/ EU26
 

I would suggest it is very very patchy at best and non-existent at worst; with the latter being the median enforcement position.

I seem to recall when I followed another website (since disappeared) concentrating on a pan European overview of this issue, that there were some slight indications of serious enforcement attempts in some Nordic country/ies. Denmark, perhaps. But broadly little if any serious interest.

Certainly I can recall an attempt personally here in the Kingdom of Spain about 7 years ago to get some leverage from the Spanish CAA over a short notice cancellation by a Spanish registered carrier. To describe to reply received as unhelpful would be to err on the side of generosity. Wildly so, indeed.

To the present:

If this attempt at enforcement by the CAA on Ryanair, certainly the biggest single-brand carrier in Europe is to be taken seriously, and I would suggest that the jury most certainly is still out on the issue, then wonderful.

And of course sauce for the Irish goose is sauce for the Spanish gander. And all winged species in between, irrespective of domicile.

(I note an inference in an earlier post to the effect that US airlines are de facto exempted from enforcement action under these provisions. Can anyone confirm?)

A Luxembourg company which had Neil Sorahan and Howard Millar on its board. Amazingly enough both at the time were associated with Ryanair. Such a small World don't you think...

[quote=BigFrank;9908010]I would suggest it is very very patchy at best and non-existent at worst; with the latter being the median enforcement position.

I seem to recall when I followed another website (since disappeared) concentrating on a pan European overview of this issue, that there were some slight indications of serious enforcement attempts

I think it's great if the CAA are going to take this hard line across the board and apply it to all airlines, all of the time.

I remain to be convinced that they will though.

Legal proceedings across EU:cf "UK-small-claims-court"
 

I recall clearly posting on another website some several years back to the effect that the EU had then recently introduced a simplified procedure for relatively small monetary compensation claims against organisations domiciled in a country other than that of the claimant.

The essence of this was/ is that there was no obligation to use (exceedingly expensive) legal representatives but that any lay person could reasonably pursue his/ her claim personally, even in a country such has Spain where there is no tradition of personal representation in court proceedings.

The principle was that you went to your local court and that they handled the claim and subsequently they forwarded it to the company in the other EU country.

Can anyone remind me of this mechanism; so that I don't have to go trawling through Mr Google again !

CAA scepticism
 

As indeed am I; see previous post.

Though it is only 3 minutes to the initial "deadline" as I post.

Ryanair has openly called out BA in their latest press release so it's going to be interesting what the CAA does in relation to that because if they don't take any real action or are not seen to be taking action against British Airways then they may start asking questions as to why that might be and that may not be a comfortable place for the CAA.

Although generally post March 2019 it'll probably not matter what the CAA do.

European Small Claims procedure
 

I knew it was there !

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_...laims-42-en.do

Maximum claim 5 000 € [4 408.00 GBP at this very moment.]

The above link admits that new regulations dated July 2017 are not incorporated.

They may be in the following; though I don't have time to check at the moment.

European small claims procedure – make a claim without going to court - Your Europe - Business

EU261 & Brexit
 

As March 2019-March 2021 are currently pencilled in for "no change," it might be much safer to date this comment for March 2021?

And in terms of content, the concept of enforcement post Brexit is surely more rather than less important. Though obviously EU261 will be a dead letter then.

¿ Obviously ?

BBC 5 live currently covering new Ryanair posture

Not all that clear, I would say.

Attempting to oblige customers to only claim re-routing on a list of Ryanair-preferred-airlines.

Not at all impressive.

Also promising to meet reasonable out of pocket expenses for cancellations beyond 2 weeks i.e. outside the scope of EU261. "Write in and tell us your claim" says the BBC.

Who says that Ryanair doesn't have a sense of humour?

CAA have claimed they have wrote to 30 airlines asking them to confirm they are complying with EU261 regulations.

Back to light touch regulation it seems, why regulate when you can take someones word for it.

Looks like someone hasn't read the Enterprise Act (2002) recently.

I am filling out the EU261 form, but it only allows for one flight (not a return flight) and I cannot find a place to put my bank details (account number, sort code) etc.

The CAA can, justifiably, be deemed to be the equivalent of a hometown referee, the kind who only awards penalties against the away team.

Is this really the case - in which case what happens to their aircraft - do they just sit there idle? I can't see how the company can sustain that as a business model.

My parents had a delay coming back from eastern europe a few weeks ago and successfully claimed almost £400 each from Ryanair... far in excess of the original cost of the fares.

They have framed a copy of the cheque.... ;^)

Now that that sour grape has been squeezed out, let a couple of pilots drive to Belfast every day to do a rotation to LGW, reinstate at least 1 plane in STN to do 4 daily rotations to Scotland, and the political pressure will disapate. A couple of concessions to pilots, reduce profit expectations with 0.5% (the market will expect something after new camels swallowed), pause seat sales for a week or two, and this will all die off by the end of October. Ready for desperate Christmas travellers to bag a bargain.

Nobody was predicting a colossal victory for her.
Opion polls were in the range of 34-36% with a 3% MOE.
Not a single poll predicted the same share of vote as 2013.
Therefore achieving 32.9% was within that range.


I believe the Irish people are quite happy to remain part of EU.
I travel there frequently and seldom have heard anybody seeking EU exit.

Again please provide me details where employees receive dividends because they are employees.