And that will surprise nobody.

They will claim "it is different, it is in the past, it is not applicable and they will conduct a ful investigation" and find nothing.

If CAA hasn't case law behind them then it is going to get very expensive because they will be paying out.

Well EZY employees have received 2 weeks salary value (to a max of £3k) in free shares for the past few years (not last year) which then also attract dividends each year.......so that’s free shares and dividends for being an employee.

The shares must be held for 3 years before they can be sold free of tax. All approved by HMRC.

You get the shares after a qualifying period of 5 years but you do not get dividends by being an employee.

European Cockpit Association have now attacked the Irish Aviation authority saying that they were guilty of: "deliberate wrong interpretation of European safety rules" in relation to Ryanair.

The IAA has since rejected what it says are false, misleading and irresponsible statements and no Irish airline can operate without adhering to all safety regulations.

@racedo

If you want to split hairs that’s fine - I’m an employee, they give me FREE shares which subsequently ATTRACT DIVIDENDS.....which, if you’re smart, you reinvest into more shares and so it goes on....... A lot of EZY employees have made a significant amount of money over the last 10 years or so doing this. So, I think it’s fair to say that EZY employees do get shares and dividends purely by dint of being and employee. QED.

You are correct that it’s 5 years for Performance Shares but DIVIDEND SHARES which are issued based on your holding can be sold after 3 years tax free.

The fact is EZY employees have recieved shares and dividends FOR FREE because they work for the airline.

I agree with A4. EZY employees get free shares and dividend and like A4 I reinvest my dividend in new shares.

Really? That sounds pretty much like slander to me - especially the use of the word "deliberate". If the IAA are to have any credibility they should see the ECA in court or demand a public apology in lieu.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0929/908384-ryanair/

Towards the end of that article.

I see Emirates are holding 7 UK wide events for their pilot selection programme according to their banner advert on PPrune.

3 are at Stansted, 3 are at Luton and 1 is being held at Gatwick. Wonder if they see Ryanair as a potential source of trained pilots together with Easyjet and Monarch:E

a Ryanair "MEGA sale now on. We've got over 1 million seats on sale from only £9.99!" email popped into my inbox overnight.... :eek:

As the result of MEGA uncertainty among Ryanair customers? With so many cancelled flights and routes, it feels safer to book with others, n'est-ce pas? Moreover, I'd expect further schedule changes still to come, to eliminate gaps resulting from all these reductions.

Reading BBC RYR have bottled out and say they will offer punters flights on alternative carriers etc. ... So book their silly fares and you could find yourselves flying with a proper airline ... if RYR are still in business by then that is!

I think some of us here may be getting a bit fed up with all the Ryanair lovey-doveys threatening legal consequences to all and sundry who dare to criticise their beloved carrier and it's executives (including such a comment directed at me personally upthread).

If you just want the authorities to sweep under the carpet the fact there as problems with EU261 and passengers getting their rights across quite a few airlines who are not fully complying then that is your choice at the end of the day.

However as a consumer I want to see EU261 regulations RIGIDLY enforced across the entire industry, if you take a look at quite a few airlines websites you will see that there are quite a few who don't seem to see it the way the CAA have said Ryanair should see it.

Personally I don't stand with any organisation or airline this, I stand with the consumer and as a consumer I want to see the antics of denying passengers their rights clamped down on across the whole industry rather than the aissez-faire approach to regulation of this regulation we have seen until now.

And for avoidance of doubt I don't think this is a problem that is a CAA one, I think it's a wider industry one and there have been reports and complaints going back a very long time in many states about how carriers are handling EU261 legislation and it needs to be dealt with.

Ryanair are by no means angels, but you're exceptionally naive if you think that all other airlines are telling everyone all of their rights and offering them everything they have to in the way that CAA has said Ryanair have to.

I am fully aware of how it works.

You get dividends if you have shares only not because you are an employee.

You made a claim that doesn't stand up in any way shape of form against an individual.

Adding to that you made a claim that somehow Ryanair was making underhand deals with same individual and TPG to Boeing for aircraft.

As I pointed out the shareholdings of Ryanair is publicly available information. Dealings that take place between related company has to be publicly declared in its annual report.

All of a sudden, amazingly, some people start to realise that the information is actually out there and has been for years.

You are long enough on this forum to be aware where false and misleading claims were made for years, in particular against Ryanair.
I believe none (possible only one) of the posters are still on here because their claims were called on and they given 2 options.
None of the bravado of "we will see you in court" occurred after they spoke with their lawyers.
They got off lightly with a public apology, a donation to charity and their posts removed v as one has stated on here personal bankrutcy.

There is no Anonymity for what we post.................. that is in a sticky at the top of the board. Free Speech does not exist.

@ Racedo ........ whatever :ugh:

Ryanair
 

Head of the CAA says they cannot withdraw routes from Ryanair, as they are registered in ROI, not UK. Surely, however, some punitive action is possible - suspend overflight or take-off/landing rights: 6 weeks of "restricting" their activities would go a long way to solving Ryanair's piloting situation - and UK customers would KNOW that their flight was cancelled.
BTW, Ryanair have the cheek to advertise on TV- I saw an advert on Thursday evening - although I could hardly believe it !

So exactly what did you advocate BA should be hit with as a punitive steps for what they did in summer ?

As for wanting to take unilateral action........................ are your really that stupid that you advocate country aviation authorities do things when they feel like it ?

So BA loses all overflight rights across Russian Controlled Air Space for flights to the Far East ? or Ireland does the same for BA flights to the US ?

France banning BA overflights or vice versa.

Knee jerk reactions make good reading for stupid Daily Mail readers.

The CAA is just rubbing it in now. Replacement buses are certainly a good economical idea for multi-frequency overland routes like Scotland-London, and well doable within fares already paid. The list of other airlines, shown in the press that CAA had berated in the past, contained only non-UK based airlines. Giving the impression they have become a bit protectionistic, helping their own national airlines milking the issue with the nit-picking about the 3x limit. If alternative flight costs goes well above original paid Ryanair should be in its full right to look at alternative forms of transport. But the media is of course all full of people that think they will be bussed from the UK to Mallorca or Greece.
Ironically in this case then Uber drivers might replace pilots after all.

But that managed to kick Van Air's butt!

September traffic up 10% to 11.8 million while LF up 2% to 97%.

Quiet impressive growth with everything happening.

Sept Traffic Grows 10% To 11.8m Customers ? Load Factor Rises To 97% On Lower Fares | Ryanair's Corporate Website

Letter:
Michael O'Leary pens impassioned plea to Ryanair pilots to get them to remain at the airline - Independent.ie

2 faced wotsit

Ha ha! So there's going to be two years of an "always getting better as an employer" plan, following which they'll start charging pilots for taking their case on board?

I like how, even when they're trying to suck up (a bit, while gently reminding that they hopefully won't go bankrupt), they treat people as a computer algorithm and miss the point. The base by base pay thing could end up being a horrible mess that misses the point.

Do they really know if the formula is as simple as that? Instinct tells me that a lot of their offbeat bases in the middle of nowhere will have an interesting mixture of staff. There'll some people who want to be somewhere random and who would work for less because nobody else employs flight crew in [insert name of random place], and there'll be people desperate to escape from the sticks and get back to civilisation who'd take a pay cut to do it...

Also, if I was a competitor I'd start making wacky offers to Ryanair pilots in strange places, just to see if I could increase their costs :p

I run my own business, earlier this year I clearly wasn't offering sufficient salary so I increased it, not next month or next year, not based upon productivity, I increased it immediately, I got the staff and despite competitor business trying to poach them my staff are sticking with me.

Talk is cheap, if he actually put his hand in his pocket NOW it might help the situation!

Also, if I was a competitor I'd start making wacky offers to Ryanair pilots in strange places, just to see if I could increase their costs

Tranferring all contractors to proper employee contracts would do that. If you were a competitor why would you not ask the question to those who could insist upon it?

Ryanair must be under some pressure to send out a letter like that. Could you ever have imagined them sending a letter like this?

But read between the lines ...

According to Wiki RYR makes a profit of circa 1.5 billion Euros annually yet MOL has the audacity to offer the pilots, and only the pilots, more money but based on productivity ... isn't 1.5 billion a year enough for the :mad:? :)

But Flight Operations, the pilots, are the highest paid department of any airline, what about the engineers, cabin crew, office staff etc. who are underpaid and treated like poo also, if I were one of them then should he knuckle under to the pilots then I would be one of the next group of employees to vote with their feet also.

Yes ... Don't go to Norweigan, they are in financial :mad: street because they treat their staff too well, stick with us because whilst you work your butts off our shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank!

I would have thought the letter would have been better presented with Dear Colleagues instead of just Ladies and Gentlemen (no ampersand) but that is MOL for you.

London Underground staff have been instructed NOT to use Ladies and Gentlemen in either written or verbal form as it is no longer considered fully inclusive. So as a modern chap (sorry - person), I'm with you on this one, Compton!

He is struggling to find appropriate terminology. Colleagues would give them a status as partners in the enterprise that he doesn't consider they have. They're not employees or staff since Ryanair doesn't employ them directly but contracts for their services with nominally independent companies. I'm sure ppruners can suggest some accurate but unprintable alternatives.

This is what the Guardian reported
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-cancellations

Judge lets fly at apologetic O'Leary over 'pathetic' lie - Independent.ie

Interestingly they also reported this which would have a major effect on employment practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...on-airlines-uk

I don't think you are not colleagues of your boss.

Ryanair is a successful airline that have been doing their work well. Like most organisations it has a few school yard bullies that act as if they were forced to join the airline and have been held there against their wishes. If things are so bad and they can't make ends meet and the glass is always half full etc etc, why don't they just leave? I for one would prefer not to have a disgruntled pilot in charge of any aircraft I fly on. Remove them.

Not colleagues of the boss but colleagues of the COMPANY. A few school yard bullies you're having a laugh!

There are times when O'Leary needs to keep his mouth shut, take an extended holiday or whatever, and leave it to his senior management to sort out the mess that he has created ... But he simply can't do it!

First head rolls at Ryanair after pilot scheduling fiasco - BBC News

One gone , but will it be the last?

But they're not colleagues of the company either; for that they would have to be members of staff.

Tell him to apply to Norwegian, everybody else is apparently :)

PC gone mad or PC making us nicer?

Resignation to be expected. It's company law here.

How do you handle a disgruntled pilot? They really should be identified, removed from their position and offered appropriate help.