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Gulf Julliet Papa 25th Sep 2017 15:49


If Ryanair don't like Norwegian pinching their pilots, they need to muscle in on Norwegian's core multi frequency...
If Ryanair don't like Norwegian pinching their pilots, they need to increase the pilots terms and conditions above that of Norwegian, and treat pilots with respect. Simple. Note that despite all the negative publicity around the pilot shortage Ryanair have not increased the T&Cs at all, and experienced pilots and staff will continue to leave from all departments

RAT 5 26th Sep 2017 06:07

Simple. Note that despite all the negative publicity around the pilot shortage Ryanair have not increased the T&Cs at all,

I think you'll find that has been the case for the past few years, not just this month, and indeed some have worsened in passing years while the competitiors have gone in the opposite direction. Go figure.

Gulf Julliet Papa 26th Sep 2017 08:39

RAT5 - I'm very well aware (more than most on here) it has been the case for many years. My point is (maybe badly put) is despite the publicity and the disruption, Ryanair are still not doing a single thing to prevent this happening again.

Offering new joiners a bonus is actually a salery advance - won't help.

Offering current pilots a bribe not to quit until 31 Oct 18 - complete insult.

Employing 150 pilots next week...great. Who is going to train them? The training dept is beyond stretched as it is. Employing pilots is one thing, actually getting them trained to be a solution is another

vikingivesterled 26th Sep 2017 10:56

RAT5 - GJP : I thought we where discussing those things under terms, but;
I'm sure some pilots want a high sector pay and organising their own tax affairs, instead of a seriously reduced one to cover expenses transfered to the airline like withheld and employers taxes plus some of the soundries like water, food, travels and hotels. Not to talk about the higthened tax & social expense implications of local contracts for some countries. And job security could be no higher by local contracts if they are organized through local freestanding companies, just owned by Ryanair instead of the pilots themselves. Are you sure getting writh of the niggly irritations are worth it.
But there could be a 2 tier option, hence my earlier post:

It is time for Ryanair to get a real cross-functional Deputy CEO, with a seat on the board, so it can work on more options for the future. O'Leary would keep an eye on proceedings and work as a back-out plan until some years down the line he could take his rightful place as a working Chairman.
This person would need to have experience from how all parts of the airline functions, be focused on the core values but at the same time be a person of trust/truth and have creative ideas on how to adjust the path.

Gulf Julliet Papa 26th Sep 2017 11:22

Vicking, I 100% agree this is for terms and conditions rather than airlines and routes. However you suggested a route "solution" to a HR problem hence why the following posts are correcting the thought that muscling in on routes is a clever idea...

oldart 26th Sep 2017 12:10


Originally Posted by Gulf Julliet Papa (Post 9904250)
RAT5 - I'm very well aware (more than most on here) it has been the case for many years. My point is (maybe badly put) is despite the publicity and the disruption, Ryanair are still not doing a single thing to prevent this happening again.

Offering new joiners a bonus is actually a salery advance - won't help.

Offering current pilots a bribe not to quit until 31 Oct 18 - complete insult.

Employing 150 pilots next week...great. Who is going to train them? The training dept is beyond stretched as it is. Employing pilots is one thing, actually getting them trained to be a solution is another

It would appear Ryanair have two planes training at PIK at the moment, one touch and go for each new pilot, soon have them trained up and operating on service flights.:8

Harry Wayfarers 26th Sep 2017 12:51

That's one step further than 'Fizzair" ... Going back to their early days they put a Captain in the LHS without so much as a simulator check, no sooner had his first flight got airborne than he declared a MAYDAY based on his own incapacitation, at that point the First Officer utrtered words that cannot be repeated here, took control, and landed the aircraft back in Budapest.

1sky 26th Sep 2017 18:23

What are Ryanair doing with their winter schedule? It is quite late to be making changes.

I have just had 10 flights (from a few bases) with schedule changes, day changes or outright cancellations. So far not a single notification or email.

Quite a few flights seem to be dropped.

owenc 26th Sep 2017 19:10

Why has Ryanair cancelled two months of flights from Belfast to Gatwick? What is going on? I have block booked flights!

NorthEasterner 26th Sep 2017 19:13

Something seriously wrong here.

Summer 18 routes have gone offline

owenc 26th Sep 2017 19:14

I requested a refund of one of my flights and left the rest, I can't take the idea of two months of cancelled flights seriously.

NorthEasterner 26th Sep 2017 19:18

How daily are they 3, 4?

A320.b744 26th Sep 2017 19:22

BFS-LGW is x5 daily during the winter season.

NorthEasterner 26th Sep 2017 19:23

Bad! That is a lot!
I wonder why...

1sky 26th Sep 2017 19:25

Ryanair have really made a mess of the past few months. The recent chaos has meant they not even been able to run their summer 2018 schedule press events (they did a small few bases but stopped). It always generated a lot of free PR.

Is Robin Kiely still with them?

NorthEasterner 26th Sep 2017 19:28

Not to say they can't put them on sale. Kate Sherry, O'Brien and Kiely usually do route announcements. Obviously bigger issues going on need focussing on.

They can't set up new routes they don't have crews for.

1sky 26th Sep 2017 19:50

The planes are coming crew or no crew.

inOban 26th Sep 2017 20:39

EDI to STN has also disappeared

owenc 26th Sep 2017 20:48

Is this something to do with Brexit?

sinbad73 26th Sep 2017 20:51

Winter 2017 seems to have disappeared altogether at the moment

owenc 26th Sep 2017 20:57

How likely is it that my flight from Gatwick on 12th-16th October will be cancelled? I don't want to go 110 miles away and be stranded in Gatwick at night.

1sky 26th Sep 2017 21:02

Who are Ryanair kidding with the latest cancellation update press release?

They are reporting 1st wave on time performance, which often has absolutely nothing to do with overall on time performance.

Cancellations & Punctuality ? Update | Ryanair's Corporate Website

Ryanair have always stretched the truth but in recent months, the airlines really seems to have hired the Iraqi information minister in their PR team. From stretching the truth, they are now spreading outright lies.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformation...7-minister.jpg

GAZMO 26th Sep 2017 21:18

Appears that all BFS to LGW flights have been cancelled for the winter schedule, not available to book on website
Is this a rostering problem or something else?

sinbad73 26th Sep 2017 21:21

Coincidence that EZY Summer 2018 goes on sale tomorrow?

Harry Wayfarers 26th Sep 2017 21:43


All 315,000 customers received email notices (on Mon 18th)
By Sun 24th, over 305,000 alternative routings or refunds (over 97% of affected customers) had been processed
The remaining 3% of customers (less than 10,000) have yet to contact Ryanair
Yeah Right,

I have booked myself a day trip to SIN next July, arriving back in Cebu and getting to my hotel bed around 2am in time for a 1pm departure back to my home airport later that day.

My local LoCo have cancelled my 1pm departure in favour of a 10am departure (2am arrive the hotel, 8am depart the hotel) and all they can be assed to do is send me a text message and put the onus on me to contact them, i.e. I am the one responsible for sorting the problem out and I see RYR displaying a similar attitude, "3% of the passengers haven't contacted us" ... "Well try calling them you @ssholes!"

Scottish Flyer 26th Sep 2017 22:19

Just found out that my Frankfurt to Stansted flight has been cancelled on 4th November. No message from Ryanair about this - discovered it on checking flight details on website. Why are they cancelling flights in November - this is just a new route? Outward flight is still operating but I have now cancelled whole trip and rebooked with BA from Heathrow. I have flown Ryanair many many times (100+ flights) but this is likely to cost them any future bookings from me.

LBIA 26th Sep 2017 22:47

So along with cancelling BFS-LGW it looks like STN-EDI & STN-GLA routes are now no longer on sale for winter 17.

peppo_8787 27th Sep 2017 04:28

Writing from Italy.
Seems like they're also closing Trapani base in the winter and a few cancellations from Bergamo, Milan Malpensa, Rome-Fiumicino, Palermo, Bologna, Pisa

LiamNCL 27th Sep 2017 06:08

GDN-NCL / NCL-GDN No longer on sale for winter.

Coquelet 27th Sep 2017 11:07


Originally Posted by Scottish Flyer (Post 9904994)
Just found out that my Frankfurt to Stansted flight has been cancelled on 4th November. No message from Ryanair about this - discovered it on checking flight details on website. Why are they cancelling flights in November - this is just a new route? Outward flight is still operating but I have now cancelled whole trip and rebooked with BA from Heathrow. I have flown Ryanair many many times (100+ flights) but this is likely to cost them any future bookings from me.

I have just checked on website : FR1686 Frankfurt 07.00 - Stansted 07.35 on 4th November is bookable at 23,19

toledoashley 27th Sep 2017 11:38

Wasnt it 2x daily?

01475 27th Sep 2017 11:50


Originally Posted by LBIA (Post 9905015)
it looks like STN-EDI & STN-GLA routes are now no longer on sale for winter 17.

I didn't expect easyJet to win that one! This is a serious sign of change in the market; think how many people Ryanair used to take between STN and PIK!

DublinPole 27th Sep 2017 12:00

35 routes cancelled for winter as part of rostering issues.

Another 400k passengers getting cancellation mails.

Announcement up on corprorate.ryanair.com

Harry Wayfarers 27th Sep 2017 12:03

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in EZY's directors offices around these times :)

owenc 27th Sep 2017 12:07

So what is going to happen to these routes then?

And if they had rostering issues, why would they target their high demand routes?

DublinPole 27th Sep 2017 12:08

Would say yields would be more important than demand.

southside bobby 27th Sep 2017 12:14

01475.....Not a true grasp of situations there...& yes the second part of your post is & was a different situation & related in no way to the current story being related today.

Harry Wayfarers 27th Sep 2017 12:14


Originally Posted by owenc (Post 9905544)
So what is going to happen to these routes then?

And if they had rostering issues, why would they target their high demand routes?

They shall need to concentrate what human resources they have from a reduced number of bases.

Whilst each base might have one or two etc. high yield routes a crew can't, let's say, operate an Italian rotation of a morning and a German rotation of an afternoon, RYR are in a position whereas R.G.D. Willis is bowling a fast one at them and they need to react PDQ.

Scottish Flyer 27th Sep 2017 12:33


Originally Posted by Coquelet (Post 9905460)
I have just checked on website : FR1686 Frankfurt 07.00 - Stansted 07.35 on 4th November is bookable at 23,19

I was booked on the outward flight that is still operating - it is the return flight in the evening that has been cancelled therefore making a day trip for a conference in Frankfurt impossible. Have now had e-mail notification of the cancellation but no mention of the supposed voucher offer that is quoted in Ryanair's press release today. Poor communications by Ryanair. I chose Stansted as it is only 40 minutes from home - I now have a 3.30am start to get to Heathrow for a 7am flight.

Harry Wayfarers 27th Sep 2017 12:54

What I learned years ago is that if you need to talk to these a'holes don't call their premium rate UK number, find out their non premium Irish number then google for telediscount, telestunt or similar to predial a number to listen to their prerecorded bull then talk for circa 1p per minute.


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