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vikingivesterled 13th Oct 2017 12:34

Trav a la - What I tried to get through was that duty of care will be due whether cause is EC or not, so preparatory action will be paramount to reduce those costs. And instead of thinking hotel on the beach and overpriced airport food, the low fares basic service part of the industry needs to be thinking emergency hurricane shelter and soup kitchens. Which is what the state would provide in similar circumstances.

LGS6753 13th Oct 2017 13:07

owenc -

Try moneysavingexpert.com, a UK based consumer rights website that explains a lot, but has a forum where such questions can be put.

Best of luck.

racedo 13th Oct 2017 13:12


Originally Posted by vikingivesterled (Post 9923802)
Trav a la - What I tried to get through was that duty of care will be due whether cause is EC or not, so preparatory action will be paramount to reduce those costs. And instead of thinking hotel on the beach and overpriced airport food, the low fares basic service part of the industry needs to be thinking emergency hurricane shelter and soup kitchens. Which is what the state would provide in similar circumstances.


Duty of care will also sit with the French ATC who called the strike.

Buttie Box 13th Oct 2017 13:15

Recruitment Email
 
Anyone else out there get an unsolicited recruitment email from Ryanair saying how great it would be to work for them? I've never applied. Bit creepy.

NorthEasterner 13th Oct 2017 13:15

Boarding Passes
 
Ryanair have started to make changes to their boarding passes to make the implementing of 1 bag policy easier from 1st Nov.

Mobile boarding passes with priority will be in a different colour and state 2 bags permitted. Non-priority will clearly display only 1 small bag is permitted whilst their main cabin bag will be tagged for free of charge at the gate.

Similar features will be in place on paper passes and airport boarding passes.

It will also mention refusal to follow policy will result in travel denied and no refund given.

vikingivesterled 13th Oct 2017 13:35


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 9923842)
Duty of care will also sit with the French ATC who called the strike.

I fully agree and I wish everybody the best of luck with getting their outlays back from French ATC, or even the unions. But I think we all know that when it comes to ATC, money is a one way street as long as an airline wishes to continue flying to and through their airspace. Best one can hope for is that they will sort out the current problems and reduce the amount of future closures/reductions. But there will always be new/different ones which require steps taken now.

Trav a la 13th Oct 2017 16:14

Sorry to be pedantic again but there seems to be some misunderstanding about what a 'duty of care' is and who is liable to pay it. It's not the French ATC for a start.

In all instances of EC the airline owes the passenger a duty of care, this includes drinks, meals, limited phone calls, hotel accommodation plus transport to and from hotel. It is also onerous upon the airline to make the appropriate arrangements, however, they often don't, and thats where many problems and confusion arise. In some cases, such as BA computer failure, it would be impossible, due to the sheer scale of the problem.

This also stands for long delays and cancellations etc. with some qualifications.

Sorry for the thread drift but feel accuracy is important.

racedo 13th Oct 2017 21:52


Originally Posted by Trav a la (Post 9924038)
Sorry to be pedantic again but there seems to be some misunderstanding about what a 'duty of care' is and who is liable to pay it. It's not the French ATC for a start.

Sorry for the thread drift but feel accuracy is important.

Like with everything that hasn't been tested fully in a court ................. one day it will and Govts will not want to give Unions carte blanche a right to be able to strike with zero consequences.

Example would be a Union decides not to allow an Airline to be refuelled at an airport where they have total control of everything, Airline being refused ability to move planes because Union efefctively blockades them and Govt claims airline must continue to pay compensation would be the extreme end of it.

waffler 14th Oct 2017 08:23

Racedo,
You obviously work for Ryanair in some sort of financial/management position judging by your posts.
Perhaps you could give us your view on your companies treatment of its staff, on which you appear to be silent.

racedo 14th Oct 2017 13:02

Yawn........................ this old one

Nope I don't.

Trav a la 14th Oct 2017 15:25


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 9924360)
Like with everything that hasn't been tested fully in a court ................. one day it will and Govts will not want to give Unions carte blanche a right to be able to strike with zero consequences.

Example would be a Union decides not to allow an Airline to be refuelled at an airport where they have total control of everything, Airline being refused ability to move planes because Union efefctively blockades them and Govt claims airline must continue to pay compensation would be the extreme end of it.

Sorry, but I fail to see what this has to do with the EC261 regulations that we were debating.

racedo 14th Oct 2017 16:43

EC261 will get tested when case is right, Govt cannot claim to hit airlines with EC261 while allowing their business to be damaged and Govts doing nothing.

If a Govt allows a strike and then claims Airlines must pay the cost while refusing to deal with strikers then Airlines will ultimately sue Govt.

vikingivesterled 14th Oct 2017 17:28

Article 13 do open for the carrier to seek redress from a third party for any outlay it has had to compensation or care.

If we are into pedanticism; EC261 also says "right to care" for the passengers, not "duty of care" for the airline.
And although it first says accommodation is to be a hotel , in the next line it defines accommodation as "hotel or other". And no definition of a "hotel" is included. The only judgement I can see on the definition of accommodation is that it must be more organized than a bench in a public area of an airport, or an extra compensation of a 100 quid could be due.
Which brings me back to that even BA could have housed all its disrupted passengers needing overnighting, on sample; fold-out beds in a sportshall, if they had contingency plans for that sort of major event laid down beforehand.

Trav a la 14th Oct 2017 19:37


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 9925067)
EC261 will get tested when case is right, Govt cannot claim to hit airlines with EC261 while allowing their business to be damaged and Govts doing nothing.

If a Govt allows a strike and then claims Airlines must pay the cost while refusing to deal with strikers then Airlines will ultimately sue Govt.

EC261 is a piece of European legislation, it is UK law. Passengers, Jo public and businesses all live with the law.

It is not against the law to strike.

Sue the government, yeh good luck with that.

Welcome to the real world!

I won't bother discussing your confused, unrealistic scenarios any further, life is too short!

Trav a la 14th Oct 2017 19:42


Originally Posted by vikingivesterled (Post 9925104)
Article 13 do open for the carrier to seek redress from a third party for any outlay it has had to compensation or care.

If we are into pedanticism; EC261 also says "right to care" for the passengers, not "duty of care" for the airline.
And although it first says accommodation is to be a hotel , in the next line it defines accommodation as "hotel or other". And no definition of a "hotel" is included. The only judgement I can see on the definition of accommodation is that it must be more organized than a bench in a public area of an airport, or an extra compensation of a 100 quid could be due.
Which brings me back to that even BA could have housed all its disrupted passengers needing overnighting, on sample; fold-out beds in a sportshall, if they had contingency plans for that sort of major event laid down beforehand.

You're not MOL in disguise are you?

Your ideas are right out of the RA good ideas book. Like paying for the loo, standing passengers etc etc.

alm1 14th Oct 2017 20:30

Still I think airport accommodation could be improved. Last time airline gave me a nice 4* star hotel I thought I would have been better off if I didn't bother and slept on a couch in departures. Getting directions, leaving terminal, passport control, finding hotel shuttle, waiting for it, going to hotel, waiting to checkin, going back, going through security etc - out of 8 hours or so I had only 4 hours for sleep left. Any airside shelter with quick access to bed, food and shower would have been many times better.

racedo 14th Oct 2017 22:09


Originally Posted by Trav a la (Post 9925206)
EC261 is a piece of European legislation, it is UK law. Passengers, Jo public and businesses all live with the law.

It is not against the law to strike.

Sue the government, yeh good luck with that.

Welcome to the real world!

I won't bother discussing your confused, unrealistic scenarios any further, life is too short!

Really so you don't believe people can sue the Govt and win ?

Who is being unrealistic now ?

EC261 is European law hence ECJ will be final arbitrator on it, course when Brexit happens then UK can just get rid of all those EU laws that it hates being imposed on it.
Strange those publications who push Brexit it love an EU law so much.

airbourne 15th Oct 2017 00:20

Racedo: Winding up Anti-Ryanair fans since 2008! :D

mik3bravo 15th Oct 2017 09:53

OMG are people STILL moaning and whinning about this blip. Honestly people, it's a first world problem, people need to get a serious sense of life perspective in a world gone mad.

Jesus wept.

As regards comments about allegedly how an employer threats employees. Are employees that bloody weak they are either incapable or unwilling to take responsibility for their career choice decisions. You enter an employers operations eyes wide open and you take responsibility and accept the T&C of contracts. If you're unhappy with the T&C either put up or shut up or find employment at a shop where you're happier. Take control of your personal circumstances and take responsibility for your personal life choices but honestly, quit the weak moaning and whinning its not an employers problem
. I'm sick of hearing the moaning, if you ain't happy, move employer it's really that :mad: logical. Are people that dumb they can't take basic life decision's on career choice and employers of personal choice. If you can't find what you want well then maybe it's time to rethink your choice of profession and reskill into another profession. Honestly, I don't know how some people survive from the moment they step outside their home into the wider world.

racedo 15th Oct 2017 11:36


Originally Posted by airbourne (Post 9925368)
Racedo: Winding up Anti-Ryanair fans since 2008! :D

ROFL............... can't top that

Do miss so many people who left when they got caught.

heidelberg 15th Oct 2017 22:59

Strange that as of now - just before midnight Sunday - Ryanair are the only airline not announcing cancelled flights to/from DUB for to-morrow due to Hurricane Ophelia?

EI-EIDW 15th Oct 2017 23:14

It's their usual policy, run a heavily delayed schedule unless they have to cancel if the airport closes for example. Now given recent crewing, will they have the resources?

They will only be able to board via front doors for a lot of the day if forecasts are correct and that will cause it's own disruption to punctuality.

But to be fair most flights cancelled are smaller jets, BA canceling all flights from lunchtime is probally a good thing for everybody considering some comments make by crew before!

mik3bravo 16th Oct 2017 07:19


Originally Posted by Alycidon (Post 9925778)
alternatively, find another forum

Play the ball, not the man

heidelberg 16th Oct 2017 08:21

Hurricane Ophelia
 
With forecasted wind gusts of 140kph I would not be at all happy climbing any stairs outside of my house to-day!
Also, to prevent jet ways damaging aircraft due to wind gusts this will lead to more delays.
In summary Airports are effectively closed - or should be closed - due to violent gusts of wind during the day.
Passengers and air/ground crews and airport staff movement have also to be taken into account.
Reports are coming in of businesses throughout Ireland staying closed. All schools are closed. Buses and Trains cancelled.
There is a duty of care by employers to their employees. All airlines have the same duty of care.

RAT 5 16th Oct 2017 08:47

With forecasted wind gusts of 140kph

Short field landing techniques to be practiced RW16 at DUB. X-wind landing techniques to be practiced RW24 SNN. Come on guys, what an opportunity for the cadets. Ask the Boeing guys over to up the demo'd x-wind limit. Get some positive out of this. :ouch:

Plane.Silly 16th Oct 2017 10:06

I Agree, this makes a great opportunity, but at what point does it go from a training opportunity into plain lunacy.

I'm no pilot, but something like that would scare the #### outta me

leadinghand 16th Oct 2017 11:15

On a totally unrelated point.Why do Ryanair appear to always land heavily?

TheMightyAtom 16th Oct 2017 17:04

The short answer is, because the 800 is a pig

Reacher19 16th Oct 2017 20:43


Originally Posted by leadinghand (Post 9926663)
On a totally unrelated point.Why do Ryanair appear to always land heavily?

Bags loaded in front hold so always nose heavy and a lot of cadets!

fireflybob 17th Oct 2017 07:46


On a totally unrelated point.Why do Ryanair appear to always land heavily?
Always? I've been on countless Ryanair flights where the touchdown has been as smooth as silk.

Also there is a difference between "heavy" (exceeding max G limit for landing and therefore requiring engineering inspection etc) and "firm" which landing on shorter runways especially when contaminated may be the safest course of action.

DublinPole 17th Oct 2017 10:58

Peter Bellew to return as COO

Cyrano 17th Oct 2017 13:14

Yes indeed.

RAT 5 17th Oct 2017 14:26

:ugh:The short answer is, because the 800 is a pig

Oh? I did have to adjust my flare/touchdown technique from -700 to -800, and then it did not present a porky problem; short, long runway or x-winds. If it was not ideal I took the blame not the a/c.

Bags loaded in front hold so always nose heavy and a lot of cadets!

The trim switch is on the upper control column.

TheMightyAtom 17th Oct 2017 17:45

Au contraire, that would be saying the objective of a good landing is 'smoothness' as measured by the punters.

Which you know it isn't, my point was that the 800 seems to present a subjectively 'harder' touchdown, when used with appropriate technique, than the rest of 737 family. I haven't flown the 900, but I hear that is much better in this regard - certainly the 700 is.

We all love a greaser, even though we know it doesn't mean anything. Especially in the 800 it often seems more to do with the alignment of Saturn than whatever faffing you did to the controls.

Gurnard 20th Oct 2017 14:53

FR9078 #7700
Any ideas why EI-FRM (FR9078) ALC-LBA squawked 7700 and diverted to BOH this afternoon?

NorthEasterner 21st Oct 2017 08:42

Most likely a medical on board - seeing it continued on to LBA after diverting.

racedo 31st Oct 2017 11:17

H1 Results | Ryanair's Corporate Website

H1 Results.

mik3bravo 9th Nov 2017 11:16

Flash Sale - 250,000 tickets from 9.99

Just received email. Seems flogging seriously cheap seats. Defensive action?

Book by midnight Nov 12th. Travel from Jan - Mar 2018.

Plane.Silly 9th Nov 2017 11:43

Not a defensive action, they come round quite regularly. They're just trying to shift seats on the worst performing flights. often the case when you have too much capacity and trying to artificially create demand (people can't resist a bargain)

southside bobby 9th Nov 2017 12:08

Or a way of adding to or bolstering the full year forecast profit of 1.5 billion Euro profit :))
Luvely Jubbly :))


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