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inOban 27th Feb 2018 11:09

It will be interesting to see if Wizz expand in GLA.

Can I remind everyone that the SNP don't have a majority. They run coalition with the Greens, so no chance of APD reduction. Quite apart from the loss of revenue to fund public services.

WHBM 27th Feb 2018 11:24

It's strange. I have used Ryanair on various routes over the years. I think all were heavily loaded, if not all seats taken, and certainly not at their supposed bargain basement fares.

Yet, with the singular exception of London Stansted to Dublin (whose frequency itself is well down on past years) all of these routes I took have gone. Extraordinary. Meanwhile pretty much all the legacy routes I have taken over time carry on, often with improved frequencies. You certainly could not plan business branch foreign offices or a holiday home on the basis of Ryanair routes.

The selection includes :

Prestwick to Stansted
Stansted to Tampere, Finland
Stansted to Kos, Greece

mwm991 27th Feb 2018 11:24


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10066726)
It will be interesting to see if Wizz expand in GLA.

Can I remind everyone that the SNP don't have a majority. They run coalition with the Greens, so no chance of APD reduction. Quite apart from the loss of revenue to fund public services.

There has to be a hint of irony in the Greens putting their foot down on APD, yet the SNP project of Prestwick losing its only daily route......

WHBM 27th Feb 2018 11:31


Originally Posted by mwm991 (Post 10066746)
There has to be a hint of irony in the Greens putting their foot down on APD, yet the SNP project of Prestwick losing its only daily route......

But I'm sure the Greens at the Scottish Parliament will be very glad of Ryanair service from Edinburgh to whichever lush Mediterranean resort the next "climate change" conference happens to be hosted in.

GLAEDI 27th Feb 2018 11:32

This may actually help Glasgow’s new Lufthansa routes less pressure from Ryanair on fares. It will also relieve some of the pressure Ryanair placed on Jet2.com, TUI and Thomas Cook to the sun resorts. I think Edinburgh’s infrastructure will really struggle soon (if it’s not now), i’ve Always felt claustrophobic when i’m Working there, it always seems just on the edge of chaos.

Navpi 27th Feb 2018 11:44

I'm not sure an airline pulling out can ever be perceived as "good news".

That said whilst appreciating there were lots of away based frames the singular aircraft at GLA must be being flogged to death!

GLAEDI 27th Feb 2018 11:52

Navpi, it’s obviously not good news but I know Ryanair have hit yields on what was Glasgow’s main market the IT sector. Also with rock bottom fares on FRA route gone hopefully will help LH, I think AGS really have to find a way to help improve airlines yields at GLA. FR and GLA have always had a strange relationship.

Navpi 27th Feb 2018 11:54

Maybe Scotland needs one world class airport in the central belt ?

inOban 27th Feb 2018 12:12


Originally Posted by GLAEDI (Post 10066759)
This may actually help Glasgow’s new Lufthansa routes less pressure from Ryanair on fares. It will also relieve some of the pressure Ryanair placed on Jet2.com, TUI and Thomas Cook to the sun resorts. I think Edinburgh’s infrastructure will really struggle soon (if it’s not now), i’ve Always felt claustrophobic when i’m Working there, it always seems just on the edge of chaos.

Fortunately EDI has been building a terminal expansion over the winter.

toledoashley 27th Feb 2018 12:14

As GLA was a smaller base than EDI, would it make crewing easier being consolidated into two rather than three airports?

Planespeaking 27th Feb 2018 12:20

If it's been posted earlier then I apologise, but how many aircraft were GLA based?

Jaair 27th Feb 2018 12:35

Glasgow Prestwick seems to remain open too.

Skipness One Echo 27th Feb 2018 12:42

Just the one, the second was lost when GLA-STN was dropped due to the crewing balls up.

Heathrow Harry 27th Feb 2018 12:44

Odd the blame APD for closing Galsgow but they are building up EDI....

methinks the airport charges are the issue.......

Heathrow Harry 27th Feb 2018 12:45

CLose Glasgow but Expand EDI??

Nothing to with APD ....................

willy wombat 27th Feb 2018 12:46

Would love to know what FR pay at EDI/GLA/PIK. Anyone any idea?

stormin norman 27th Feb 2018 12:52

For once i agree with Ryanair .The APD tax is not doing airlines any favours.

Johnny F@rt Pants 27th Feb 2018 13:03


I'm not sure an airline pulling out can ever be perceived as "good news".
One aeroplane on routes that are already well served, no big deal I would say.

However, does EDI not have APD just the same as GLA? And will EDI not be similarly affected by Brexit as GLA? If the answer to those questions is YES, and I believe that it is, then this is Valdermort Airlines making excuses for making cuts rather than being honest.

Navpi 27th Feb 2018 13:16


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10066823)
If it's been posted earlier then I apologise, but how many aircraft were GLA based?

One I believe !

LGS6753 27th Feb 2018 13:20

"O'Leary Must Go!"

Ryanair pilot group calls for Michael O'Leary to step down

...but what it's got to do with him, I don't know.

glad rag 27th Feb 2018 13:29

" The weaker Scottish economy is even weaker in Glasgow "

but not Edinburgh with the Holyrood echo chamber and all to bhoy it up....

Rob Royston 27th Feb 2018 13:54

Looks like Jet 2 are more in tune with Glaswegian's requirments. Their Edinburgh destinations are much the same, holiday routes.
Ryanair have a high load of City routes from both whose users are more likely to consolidate into using EDI.
Ryanair's Prestwick destinations are more holiday orientated as well so just more available seats on the designated resort's arrival day.

Jaair 27th Feb 2018 14:58


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 10066861)
Would love to know what FR pay at EDI/GLA/PIK. Anyone any idea?

Peanuts at PIK I'd imagine. As the only airline providing scheduled commercial passenger flights at Prestwick I'm sure they have high power when negotiating fees.

Seljuk22 27th Feb 2018 17:11

Trapani base to be closed by summer - just 4 routes left
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/l...018/?market=it

01475 27th Feb 2018 17:58

Ryanair's routes will be carrying more inbound tourists than Jet2's and, no offence to Glasgow, they're more likely to be wanting to go to Edinburgh...

inOban 27th Feb 2018 18:15

It will be interesting to see the response of Easyjet on the City routes on which they will be competing, such as Hamburg, Berlin and Lisbon.

iggie 27th Feb 2018 18:38

Rob Royston

What is meant by 'the designated resort's arrival day'?

inOban 27th Feb 2018 18:45

I believe that for some destinations there is a single day on which most holiday properties change over. For many years all flights to Lanzarote were on a Thursday, for example.

AirportPlanner1 27th Feb 2018 18:49

iggie

Traditionally package holiday destinations would receive flights from particular countries or operators on the same day. It meant one big changeover which made selling one and two week stays easier, and meant reps and coaches were in place to ferry to and from the airport. You still see it today to a lesser extent.

nivsy 27th Feb 2018 19:58

I suspect it's utter nonsense to say FR removal from FRA route will benefit LH. Totally different market and time will tell if LH remain themselves. History tends to say otherwise. RYR have had issues with GLA previous and are using this "reason" as a scapegoat I would suggest.

nivsy 27th Feb 2018 20:02


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10066783)
Maybe Scotland needs one world class airport in the central belt ?

I have always thought this as a great, forward thinking solution that would create infra jobs, and present Scotland indeed with a possible competitive airport...alas this will never be for lotsa reasons...shame though. In UK generally it takes years to even try and build a runway in south East never mind and airport...oh well...

Jaair 27th Feb 2018 20:34

Well apparently Glasgow and Edinburgh will eventually merge to become one 'supercity'. Perhaps then we would see a new airport. https://www.scotsman.com/news/glasgo...ades-1-4648092

willy wombat 27th Feb 2018 21:55

No, if the Scottish Government has its way you will still have two airports, they will just be Edinburgh East and Edinburgh West (and maybe Prestwick will become Edinburgh South).

billyg 27th Feb 2018 23:44

Precisely, maybe the SG can build a mock-up castle on the Campsies and have a zoo full of pandas next to the old India of Inchinnan building and we can have inbound tourism too !

ECR 28th Feb 2018 06:10


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10066783)
Maybe Scotland needs one world class airport in the central belt ?

Only if you are happy to pay world class airfares as the cost of providing the facilities would be passed on to the airlines and passengers through higher landing charges. Having only one airport also would also mean there is a monopoly with no competition enabling them to increase charges even more.

nivsy 28th Feb 2018 07:00

Not necessarily. If one is smart with the procurement such s plan could be very lucrative. I don't see also too many negatives at Amsterdam nor Brussels either... particularly when you considerat Brussels over the years they have steadily regrouped.

Skipness One Echo 28th Feb 2018 07:40

The British concept of “competition” half works in my view, compare with AENA in Spain. The locos remain price competitve in market and the public facilities are decent. Not so “pint in a half pint” that is LGW/STN/LTN or MAN/LPL/LBA.

We have no strategy and it’s left to the open market.

davidjohnson6 28th Feb 2018 13:13

New base planned in Tallinn with new routes to Edinburgh, Malta and Paphos
https://www.err.ee/686457/ryanair-av...kolm-uut-liini

01475 28th Feb 2018 14:15

I really don't understand them. Their history in Tallinn is... confusing.

Nordica couldn't make Edinburgh work, so it'll be interesting to see if Ryanair can this time around.

A350Saltire 28th Feb 2018 14:45


Originally Posted by 01475 (Post 10068196)
I really don't understand them. Their history in Tallinn is... confusing.

Nordica couldn't make Edinburgh work, so it'll be interesting to see if Ryanair can this time around.

The timings of that Nordica service were atrocious.


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