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Caravaggio 6th Jun 2018 17:59

Terminal 3
 
so inter organisation management liaison at Manchester Airport has been put in the ‘too difficult box’ then.
Bit like Northern Rail and Network Rail then. Buck passing and it’s always the other organisation’s fault. No responsibility then for anyone.

NRU74 6th Jun 2018 18:09

Dropped someone off at T1 this morning. Judging by the work at the free Drop Off area it looks like a Pay to Drop Off will soon be in force.
Suppose they’ve got to get the money from somewhere.

lfc84 6th Jun 2018 18:24


Originally Posted by Caravaggio (Post 10166612)
so inter organisation management liaison at Manchester Airport has been put in the ‘too difficult box’ then.
Bit like Northern Rail and Network Rail then. Buck passing and it’s always the other organisation’s fault. No responsibility then for anyone.

i fail to see how the government / UK BF can pass the buck to the airport. it seems pretty clear to me.

please explain.

Navpi 6th Jun 2018 20:37

I'm sure Bdaily is actually ran from Birmingham even tbough it has regional titles.

Maybe a none to subtle hidden agenda.?

But maybe they are choosing the wrong target for their ire.

As the Birmingham Mail stated, Graylng admitted it could be curtains for them in terms of trying to compete on a level playing field given LHRs competitive edge.

If I were a Brummie I would be apoplectic at some of my local Mps who support rw3.

LAX_LHR 7th Jun 2018 08:22

TUI to open a new route to Southern Italy next May, Lamezia Terme.

TOM2684 MAN 0600 SUF 1015
TOM2685 SUF 1115 MAN 1340.
Saturdays B737-800.

nice to see some more ‘out of the box’ airports added.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 7th Jun 2018 10:28

This route was done in Summer 2006 by Thomson.

pholling 7th Jun 2018 15:04


Originally Posted by Caravaggio (Post 10166612)
so inter organisation management liaison at Manchester Airport has been put in the ‘too difficult box’ then.
Bit like Northern Rail and Network Rail then. Buck passing and it’s always the other organisation’s fault. No responsibility then for anyone.

The bad delays usually seem to happen when there are a number of late arriving flights pulling up in short order. The UKBF staffing seems to be done based on schedule and it doesn't look like there is a large amount of flexibility built in. If an airline is constantly have the same flights arrive late, then that is its issue. If MAN is putting holds on the inbounds that make things late, then it is MAN's issue. However, it is also MAN's responsibility to make sure that the infrastructure can handle the predicted flows, which for T3 seems to be a problem at times.

GavinC 7th Jun 2018 17:11


Originally Posted by pholling (Post 10167416)
The bad delays usually seem to happen when there are a number of late arriving flights pulling up in short order. The UKBF staffing seems to be done based on schedule and it doesn't look like there is a large amount of flexibility built in. If an airline is constantly have the same flights arrive late, then that is its issue. If MAN is putting holds on the inbounds that make things late, then it is MAN's issue. However, it is also MAN's responsibility to make sure that the infrastructure can handle the predicted flows, which for T3 seems to be a problem at times.

of course this issue is exacerbated by the fact there are three terminals as well as there is less slack at each individual terminal than there is as a whole. People queuing at T3 whilst UKBF staff may well be doing little to nothing in T1 and/or T2.

what MAN most needs is less segregation!

DomyDom 8th Jun 2018 07:47

Lamezia Terme
 

Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10167079)
TUI to open a new route to Southern Italy next May, Lamezia Terme.

TOM2684 MAN 0600 SUF 1015
TOM2685 SUF 1115 MAN 1340.
Saturdays B737-800.

nice to see some more ‘out of the box’ airports added.

I agree LAX_LHR when you think where the airport was in the dark days route wise in the late 2000s. We now have routes like this that I would have dreamt of then. I remember looking at LGW with envy however we must be there or thereabouts now. Especially when the latest long haul routes kick in.

LAX_LHR 8th Jun 2018 20:33

I don’t know how reliable this article is, or who the carrier could be (surely not just Jet Airways on all 3 routes?), but towards the bottom it states ‘flights to Bengaluru and Delhi to be announced soon’. Seems the floodgates have been opened.

https://inc42.com/features/is-manche...-looking-west/

eggc 8th Jun 2018 21:08

Heard anything on Korean sniffing about LAX ?? Picked up tit bits, but nothing concrete.

Are we nearing saturation point now for long haul ex MAN ?

Bangkok maybe about to happen, possibly more to India, both need crossing off the wish list, but where is sensibly left after that ?

Seoul / Tokyo / another China route or two maybe / South Africa ? New Zealand a long shot maybe...but is that our lot ??

Can't see South America being viable from MAN.

VS and MT have the states pretty much sewn up and are growing.

The upcoming Ethiopian is great option for Africa with its extensive network.

So I struggle to see where MAN can continue with its long haul expansion...

Where would you say gaps remain beyond anything listed above that is already flying, about to launch or on my possible list ?

An impressive position to be in by the way :ok:

Rutan16 8th Jun 2018 21:50

Sri Lanka
Resumption of Cairo
Nigeria
Kenya
Jordan
Lebanon
Qantas return with Dreamliner perhaps they do say Manchester is pretty profitable via the sandpit !
Malaysia
Year round Air Canada with a max
Iran
Bangladesh
Halifax or St John with Westjet
Additional China routes for sure

Less likely imho
Japan
Korea
Taiwan
anywhere in South America
any of the ex soviet stans
Vietnam
Indonesia


roverman 9th Jun 2018 00:21


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10168548)
Sri Lanka
Resumption of Cairo
Nigeria
Kenya
Jordan
Lebanon
Qantas return with Dreamliner perhaps they do say Manchester is pretty profitable via the sandpit !
Malaysia
Year round Air Canada with a max
Iran
Bangladesh
Halifax or St John with Westjet
Additional China routes for sure

Less likely imho
Japan
Korea
Taiwan
anywhere in South America
any of the ex soviet stans
Vietnam
Indonesia



Just about all of those mentioned above are potentials in due course. Qantas would be nice but given that London is their only European destination these days (having once served several including MAN) I think they will have other priorities. New destinations are good but we need to see consolidation of existing routes, too. Looking at the mind-boggling capacity between London and New York I think MAN could ultimately sustain 5 or 6 daily flights against the 3 daily in 2018. The US West Coast has surely got to become year-round and daily to LAX / SFO. BOS, ORD, should surely be capable of daily year round service and perhaps MIA as a springboard into Central and S America.

As well as new and more frequent hub services I think we'll see TUi and Thomas Cook continue to add more exotic far flung beach destinations which Heathrow will never serve (what was that about the National interest, don't people need holidays as much as jobs? ha ha)

Few can now question MAN's role as the Global Gateway for the North. Heathrow can have its 3rd runway, its good for London and the South but not needed by the North, we've already got most places covered in one or two hops.

PDXCWL45 9th Jun 2018 04:59


Originally Posted by roverman (Post 10168633)

Few can now question MAN's role as the Global Gateway for the North. Heathrow can have its 3rd runway, its good for London and the South but not needed by the North, we've already got most places covered in one or two hops.

Heathrow is one of those 1 stop options, so an expanded Heathrow with more new routes available especially ones that aren't available at MAN will help increase those 1 stop options.

LAX_LHR 9th Jun 2018 07:31

As we know, TK start 3 weekly A330’s on IST this month. On top of that, there are lots of ad-hoc A330’s on other flights, making 2 daily A330 on plenty of days.

One key date though, 29th August. TK will send 2 B77W, which judging by fares are almost fully booked as it is. There is abnother B77W on 8th August. Seems the route is doing very well at the moment. Surely a 3rd daily is up for consideration again?

zfw 9th Jun 2018 12:48


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10168548)
Sri Lanka
Resumption of Cairo
Nigeria
Kenya
Jordan
Lebanon
Qantas return with Dreamliner perhaps they do say Manchester is pretty profitable via the sandpit !
Malaysia
Year round Air Canada with a max
Iran
Bangladesh
Halifax or St John with Westjet
Additional China routes for sure

Less likely imho
Japan
Korea
Taiwan
anywhere in South America
any of the ex soviet stans
Vietnam
Indonesia


Went to Phu Quoc in Vietnam this year and TUI have already started invading from LGW, so don't think it will be long before we do have a flight to Vietnam, they are really ramping the place up as a tourist destination. And its only a 35 min flight to Ho Chi Minh.

boredintheairport 9th Jun 2018 13:55

For selfish reasons Amman would be great. For non-selfish reasons Royal Jordanian could make sense for a One-World option to much of Saudi Arabia and the GCC now that Qatar is persona non gratis in much of the region. Amman is decent little airport and Jordan a terrific country. Very pleasant place to transfer.
And completely anecdotally but the last few times I went to Amman from Manchester (TK and BA) there were a lot from the Manchester flight on the Amman flight from both LHR and IST.

Sri Lanka is certainly a popular holiday spot, as others have said so is Vietnam. TUI or Thomas Cook could well be in with a shout there.

Lebanon I wouldn't expect soon with the growing instability there.

Bangladesh has been rumoured before with BBC about to get some Dreamliners.

Iran is, IMO, very unlikely with sanctions likely to resume soon.

Kenya, again selfishly, would be absolutely perfect.

I would think another China route is in the pipeline.

I've heard Cairo is coming back in various places.

Nigeria - who would operate? Virgin? I would think they would shoot for Johannesburg or Delhi before they went for Lagos.

1mach 9th Jun 2018 20:11

Qantas brings back memories of a quick £10 1 hour flip in the 747 on 24th March 1985. Guess who was first on the flight deck!

Lee J 10th Jun 2018 07:10


Originally Posted by 1mach (Post 10169195)
Qantas brings back memories of a quick £10 1 hour flip in the 747 on 24th March 1985. Guess who was first on the flight deck!

Reg Varney?

Suzeman 10th Jun 2018 07:11


Originally Posted by 1mach (Post 10169195)
Qantas brings back memories of a quick £10 1 hour flip in the 747 on 24th March 1985. Guess who was first on the flight deck!

The flight deck crew I guess.... :E


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