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Mr A Tis 24th May 2020 14:11

The Irish arrival Quarantine form states exemptions

"The need to self-isolate does not apply to certain categories of passengers for example supply chain workers (such as pilots, hauliers or maritime crew members) or to passengers who are transiting en route to another jurisdiction, including Northern Ireland."

So, this implies if you transit to anywhere, then Irish self isolation is exempt.
Therefore, it is legit to fly to Dublin & get the bus to Belfast OR to take a flight to Manchester (or other UK destination) thus avoiding any self isolation.
Bonkers.

SWBKCB 24th May 2020 14:22


So, this implies if you transit to anywhere, then Irish self isolation is exempt.
Depends - if you are transiting, are you coming from ROI or your original destination?

Mister Geezer 24th May 2020 19:50

As was mentioned by papabravowhiskey, if you bought two separate tickets and cleared immigration and customs in ROI then checked in for your next flight to the UK, you have officially entered the ROI and have for all intents and purposes ended one journey and began a new journey from the ROI to the UK.

I have travelled numerous times in the past from the Middle East to the UK via AMS/FRA/CDG but on separate tickets, so I had to clear immigration and customs on the continent and then check in again for flying to the UK. My new baggage tag now had a green border showing this journey originated in the EU and allowed me to use the blue customs channel for intra-EU travel on arrival in the UK, which is no different to someone who began their journey in AMS/FRA/CDG.

Using the same analogy here, it would be permissible for you to claim you started your journey in the ROI, given the situation I described.

SWBKCB 24th May 2020 20:31


you have officially entered the ROI and have for all intents and purposes ended one journey
So you'd have to quarantine there or be refused entry?

DomyDom 24th May 2020 23:01


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10792262)
So you'd have to quarantine there or be refused entry?

But what if the ROI remove quarantine restrictions because the CV19 risk in Europe has diminished to negligable levels? What's to stop our traveller boarding a flight from Dublin or Belfast to mainland UK without showing their passport?

Mister Geezer 24th May 2020 23:51


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10792262)
So you'd have to quarantine there or be refused entry?

Perhaps it would not be such a black and white scenario.

The website for the Health Service Executive in ROI states the following:

The only people who do not need to self-isolate are people who are:
  • returning to the Republic of Ireland from Northern Ireland.
  • essential supply chain workers, for example, a pilot, haulier, maritime staff member.
  • briefly stopping over at an airport on their way to another country.
The definition of 'briefly stopping over at an airport' is very vague but it doesn't rule out entering ROI and remaining in the airport terminal for a few hours and then checking in again for another flight. That's just my interpretation. :ok: Should the quarantine period still exist by late July (which I doubt), then I shall be flying via DUB using separate tickets for getting to the UK.

pwalhx 28th May 2020 20:14

Iran Air are due to start at Manchester on 13th June with a weekly flight to IKA.

Flight IR752 arriving into MAN at 0900
Flight IR753 departing MAN at 1030

Using A330

Credit to alpha5 on Facebook

SCFC1EP 28th May 2020 23:04

Very surprising route and credit to aplha5, his posts are very reliable indeed.

with a start date in just over two weeks and using there largest aircraft A330 just makes me think they only have 2 A330s and one operates into LHR daily , the other A330 was usually on AMS or a Germany flight FRA/DUS and don't think you would get two return flights out of Iran to Europe in 24hrs, only other aircraft is Iran Air A300's 4 in fleet these only aircraft that seem to go into uk or wstern europe, they do a few old A319/A320 aircraft and a sole A321 newish build could they reach MAN

In other news Emirates goes daily 01/07/20 2nd daily 15/07/20 and third daily 01/09/20 all with A380's again very surprised with the short time between daily to two daily and 3 daily with A380's that's a lot of passengers when we are still coming out of lockdown and limited service with other airlines. Would have thought the B777 would be a better fit for at least one flight with the cargo and the fact EK are parking alot of A380'S

A340600MAN 29th May 2020 00:20

Hi

Can someone please clarify/confirm (as of today) the following for me please.

New services going ahead - Iran Air A330 to Tehran from 13/6 .... Luxair DH8D to Luxembourg from 29/6 ..... Kuwait Airways A332 to Kuwait City from 3/7

New services cancelled - Air Baltic BCS3 Riga ... Blue Island AT72 Jersey ... Delta Air Lines B752 Boston ... Juneyao Airlines B789 Helsinki ... WestJet Airlines B737 Halifax.

I presume these cancellation will last until summer 21?

Regards

TURIN 29th May 2020 01:01

The Delta and Juneyao are postponed, not cancelled.

Rutan16 29th May 2020 07:24


Originally Posted by SCFC1EP (Post 10796166)
Very surprising route and credit to aplha5, his posts are very reliable indeed.

with a start date in just over two weeks and using there largest aircraft A330 just makes me think they only have 2 A330s and one operates into LHR daily , the other A330 was usually on AMS or a Germany flight FRA/DUS and don't think you would get two return flights out of Iran to Europe in 24hrs, only other aircraft is Iran Air A300's 4 in fleet these only aircraft that seem to go into uk or wstern europe, they do a few old A319/A320 aircraft and a sole A321 newish build could they reach MAN

In other news Emirates goes daily 01/07/20 2nd daily 15/07/20 and third daily 01/09/20 all with A380's again very surprised with the short time between daily to two daily and 3 daily with A380's that's a lot of passengers when we are still coming out of lockdown and limited service with other airlines. Would have thought the B777 would be a better fit for at least one flight with the cargo and the fact EK are parking alot of A380'S

Iranair don’t fly daily into London haven’t for many years. Normally just 3 days a week .

The ONLY aircraft they are ALLOWED to operate into EASA airspace are the two A330s four A300 the A321and two aged A310s

Manchester has been connected to Tehran previously via Mahran and there are significant diasporas in Manchester of both Iranian and Iraqi origin and not a few Syrians that might find the routing somewhat useful especially Shia pilgrims going onto Qom, and Najaf

Mr @ Spotty M 29th May 2020 10:01

The Delta Boston route has been cancelled for summer 20 season.

Lancaster Bomber 29th May 2020 10:01


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10796363)
Iranair donít fly daily into London havenít for many years. Normally just 3 days a week .

The ONLY aircraft they are ALLOWED to operate into EASA airspace are the two A330s four A300 the A321and two aged A310s

Manchester has has been connected To Tehran previously via Mahran and there are significant diasporas in Manchester of both Iranian and Iraqi origin and not a few Syrians that might find the routing somewhat useful especially ShIa pilgrims going onto Qom, and Najaf

Did we not used to have a service to Damascus at one point, sure it was a 747SP but I may be mistaken.

zfw 29th May 2020 12:35

Jet 2 shaking off the cobwebs today 2x 738 and 1 x757 out.

JerseyAero 29th May 2020 12:56


Originally Posted by A340600MAN (Post 10796205)

New services going ahead - Iran Air A330 to Tehran from 13/6 .

I understand that the slots for this new Iran Air service only run until the end of Sept so appears to be a seasonal thing or maybe connected with students/repatriation?

JerseyAero 29th May 2020 14:00


Originally Posted by Lancaster Bomber (Post 10796498)
Did we not used to have a service to Damascus at one point, sure it was a 747SP but I may be mistaken.

There was a service to Damascus operated by Syrian Air using B747SP and later A320. I'd guess this was going back 10-15 years ago.

Rutan16 29th May 2020 15:20

Old balls that have flown to and from Manchester on scheduled services include Sudan , Air Algeriť, Mahran, Libyan, Iraqi, Syrian, and Cubana oh and Daalo ( albeit on Uk 757)

crewmeal 30th May 2020 14:35

When Mahan Air or Iran Air flew into LHR they weren't allowed fuel because of the sanctions and therefore had to drop in at a non EU airport on the way back if my memory serves me correctly.

It will be interesting to see how MAN handle pax (if any) coming in from Tehran given that covid 19 is rife there.

Rutan16 30th May 2020 15:46

MAHRAN have never served Heathrow though they have held slots for Gatwick in the past.

They have however operated into Manchester and Birmingham at differing times.

The fuelling issue remains . The American oil suppliers are barred from serving Iranian businesses by US sanctions whilst they also have banking issues that prevent many lines of credit and use of the US clearing systems .

The A330s can currently make it on round trip, occasional drops are made in Turkey and Italy at the moment where they are able acquire fuel either via local tanking (Turkey) or from Russian spot markets.

Iranair continue to serve Heathrow three weekly and off the record don’t be surprised if a certain UK citizens liberty and supply of UK pharmaceuticals are part of a rather more nuanced mini deal that may be going on.

Nostoodian 30th May 2020 19:35


Originally Posted by JerseyAero (Post 10796689)
There was a service to Damascus operated by Syrian Air using B747SP and later A320. I'd guess this was going back 10-15 years ago.

Some lovely archive footage.
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