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Mr Mac 20th May 2020 12:26


Originally Posted by DomyDom (Post 10783967)
LH returning with MAN-FRA 6 per week😊
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...nd-manchester/

DomyDom
Great to hear, just want Munich to be restarted, and I will be very happy . Getting a bit fed up of the multiple stops to and from especially as much of the infrastructure within the various routes I have used have been closed so long waits in empty terminals.
Cheers
Mr Mac

TURIN 20th May 2020 12:39


Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10787609)
I've heard all the B744 are coming to MAN so that they can have engine swaps - original engines to original airframes - then off to the big yard in the desert.
Also I believe the A330s are then coming to us for storage.
Happy to be corrected if needs be.

Why would they want to waste time and money moving engines around?
This is not a practice I have heard of before. Especially if the aircraft are being permanently withdrawn from service.

JSCL 20th May 2020 12:44


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10787755)
Why would they want to waste time and money moving engines around?
This is not a practice I have heard of before. Especially if the aircraft are being permanently withdrawn from service.

It's completely normal? Depending on finance on engines or the airframes, they will need to be refitted back with their stated engines under whatever terms with the leasing company. It's an entirely normal practice to move engines around the fleet to balace usage and then to fit back their original engines with the frame to return to lessors. As I understand all of the VS fleet is financed in one way shape or form?

spannersatcx 20th May 2020 15:23


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10787755)
Why would they want to waste time and money moving engines around?
This is not a practice I have heard of before. Especially if the aircraft are being permanently withdrawn from service.

We used to do it at BA, brand new 744 arrived from Boeing first thing we did was remove and replace engines, just to space out the lives of each engine fitted so they didn't all need overhaul/mods etc at the same time.
I would guess put the newest engines on the newest airframes VV the old ones, some would be more saleable than others as a result I imagine.

zfw 20th May 2020 16:35

GVROY Finals 6 down ,1 to go.

JerseyAero 21st May 2020 11:25

EZY MAN routes
 
EZY have announced a number of routes they intend to startup again from June - mainly UK and France internal routes but no MAN services listed.

TURIN 21st May 2020 11:35

Spanners, JSCL.

I know about the swapping engines at start of life to spread the overhaul across the fleet.

Engines get changed ad hoc due to failures or pending faults but what I'm talking about is the returning of the original engines back to the original airframe. An airframe that is being scrapped for example. Seems strange as the engines will be amongst the first items to be removed.



JSCL 21st May 2020 12:02


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10788658)
Spanners, JSCL.

I know about the swapping engines at start of life to spread the overhaul across the fleet.

Engines get changed ad hoc due to failures or pending faults but what I'm talking about is the returning of the original engines back to the original airframe. An airframe that is being scrapped for example. Seems strange as the engines will be amongst the first items to be removed.

Yes but the original engines will belong to X financier or Y lessor relating to the aircraft in most cases.

If they've done various swaps which means they have different engines on the aircraft relating to a different financier, theyll revert them back to ensure they're returning the aircract with its appropriate engines. As its the financier/lessor that is really scrapping them, not VS as to my understanding they don't own them?

Yeehaw22 21st May 2020 13:15


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10788658)
Spanners, JSCL.

I know about the swapping engines at start of life to spread the overhaul across the fleet.

Engines get changed ad hoc due to failures or pending faults but what I'm talking about is the returning of the original engines back to the original airframe. An airframe that is being scrapped for example. Seems strange as the engines will be amongst the first items to be removed.

as has been said the engines 'belong' to the aircraft so need returning. Same at any end of lease handback for engines, Apu and gear unless negotiated otherwise. Usually have to be in a preagreed condition aswell, whether that be by recently visiting the engine shop and/or confirmed by a video borescope. Otherwise they'll be big financial penalties.

Imagine if you were the owner of the newest 747 and it had 2 or 3 of the oldest engines. You wouldn't be happy.

These are the parts that will have the biggest value if the aircraft are going to be parted out.

comet 4b623PW 21st May 2020 14:59

I am curious as to why this work is taking place in Manchester when VS have maintance hangers at both Heathrow and Gatwick.

BHX5DME 21st May 2020 15:08

Easy from 15 June
 

Originally Posted by JerseyAero (Post 10788649)
EZY have announced a number of routes they intend to startup again from June - mainly UK and France internal routes but no MAN services listed.

UK

Belfast-Birmingham

Belfast-Bristol

Belfast-Edinburgh

Belfast-Glasgow

Belfast-London Gatwick

Belfast-Liverpool

Belfast-Newcastle

Birmingham-Belfast

Bristol-Belfast

Edinburgh-Belfast

Edinburgh-London Gatwick

Glasgow-Belfast

Glasgow-London Gatwick

Inverness-London Gatwick

Isle of Man-London Gatwick

Isle of Man-Liverpool

London Gatwick-Belfast

London Gatwick-Edinburgh

London Gatwick-Glasgow

London Gatwick-Inverness

London Gatwick-Isle of Man

London Gatwick-Nice

Liverpool-Belfast

Liverpool-Isle of Man

Newcastle-Belfast

France

Bordeaux-Lyon

Bordeaux-Nice

Paris Charles de Gaulle-Nice

Paris Charles de Gaulle-Toulouse

Lille-Nice

Lyon-Bordeaux

Lyon-Nantes

Nice-Bordeaux

Nice-Paris Charles de Gaulle

Nice-London Gatwick

Nice-Lille

Nice-Nantes

Nice-Toulouse

Nice-Geneva

Nantes-Lyon

Nantes-Nice

Toulouse-Paris Charles de Gaulle

Toulouse-Nice

Switzerland

Geneva-Porto

Geneva-Barcelona

Geneva-Lisbon

Geneva-Nice

Spain

Barcelona-Geneva

Portugal

Porto-Geneva

Lisbon-Geneva



160to4DME 21st May 2020 15:21

Most MAN routes seem to be loaded from July 1st.

TURIN 21st May 2020 16:20


Originally Posted by Yeehaw22 (Post 10788740)
as has been said the engines 'belong' to the aircraft so need returning. Same at any end of lease handback for engines, Apu and gear unless negotiated otherwise. Usually have to be in a preagreed condition aswell, whether that be by recently visiting the engine shop and/or confirmed by a video borescope. Otherwise they'll be big financial penalties.

Imagine if you were the owner of the newest 747 and it had 2 or 3 of the oldest engines. You wouldn't be happy.

These are the parts that will have the biggest value if the aircraft are going to be parted out.

Fair enough, makes sense. This leasing lark is a nightmare. I still have questions but I'll leave it here.

zfw 21st May 2020 16:35

GVXLG Finals 7 of 7

Ex Cargo Clown 21st May 2020 18:02


Originally Posted by NorvernSuvna (Post 10781266)
EMA has a lot of direct cargo flights from USA and mainland Europe, mainly through integrators and the likes of AeroLogic ( which I think is owned by DHL and Lufthansa ) , I was involved in some air cargo movements last week which arrived direct from CVG into EMA per Boeing 767, operated on behalf of DHL, but can't remember the actual carrier now.....and they were 20 tonnes paletised shipments, not parcels

20 tonne pallet? are you sure?

Flying Hi 21st May 2020 19:46


Originally Posted by Ex Cargo Clown (Post 10788976)
20 tonne pallet? are you sure?

Insert word 'of' and try again?

MANFOD 22nd May 2020 11:35


Originally Posted by 160to4DME (Post 10788860)
Most MAN routes seem to be loaded from July 1st.

Yes, as someone seemed to delight in posting a long list of easyjet services operating from mid-June but not MAN (on the pretext of replying to a quote that MAN wasn't listed), as this is the MAN thread, I'm glad you pointed out that flights are loaded from 1 July. Prices are shown for quite a wide range of destinations, including multi-daily flights to the likes of AMS, BFS & CDG.
I wonder how many seats are available on a/c.

MKY661 22nd May 2020 14:16


Originally Posted by MANFOD (Post 10789598)
Yes, as someone seemed to delight in posting a long list of easyjet services operating from mid-June but not MAN (on the pretext of replying to a quote that MAN wasn't listed), as this is the MAN thread, I'm glad you pointed out that flights are loaded from 1 July. Prices are shown for quite a wide range of destinations, including multi-daily flights to the likes of AMS, BFS & CDG.
I wonder how many seats are available on a/c.


Flights for July are loaded atm but I would imagine a lot of them will be taken off sale in a few weeks time. This was the case in April, May & June.

MANFOD 22nd May 2020 14:27

MKY661, you may well be right of course, particularly if this (unwarranted in the view of many) quarantine policy is extended beyond June, or so little notice is given of its cessation that folk won't have booked flights.

Mr A Tis 22nd May 2020 14:53

I doubt there will be any rush of bookings for any route, until the quarantine issue is resolved and secondly, the FCO advice on overseas travel - which impacts "most" peoples travel insurance. Given the way refund matters have been dealt with by many airlines, this pay now & don't worry you can change/refund if cancelled- isn't going to cut the mustard with many. The majority will simply wait until both the above issues are resolved. The rare exception might be with Jet2 who have performed very well with customer refunds, thereby inspiring confidence in change/refunds if flights are cancelled. (All Jet2 flights cancelled until July 1st)


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