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chaps1954 6th Jun 2020 07:21

There must be few spots left now as the Dash 8 are leaving also the B747s are going but being replaced by a larger number of A330, Are the 900 stands due in operation soon?

MANFOD 6th Jun 2020 07:40


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10803581)
There must be few spots left now as the Dash 8 are leaving also the B747s are going but being replaced by a larger number of A330, Are the 900 stands due in operation soon?

Good question about the new remote 900 stands. I think 925/927/929 were due to be operational back in April.
I expect Scottie Dog can confirm whether they are now in use. The group of 10 stands at the NW perimeter beyond Pier 1 (901-919 odd numbers only) as of a week or so ago were not yet commissioned as I understand it, although to all intents and purposes were complete. Again, any clarification would be appreciated.

To Skip's point, there has been some surprise that given the few movements on R1, R2 hasn't been put to use for temporary parking, or even one or two taxiways unless WIP is already causing taxiway restrictions.

SWBKCB 6th Jun 2020 08:57

Won't anything that needs parking already be parked?

chaps1954 6th Jun 2020 09:23

Not so as some of the PIA night stop as did the Saab 340 on Thursday

spannersatcx 6th Jun 2020 09:25

Must be short of money as the airport are putting up all the office rents! Whereas LHR/LGW are giving rent reductions! :ugh:

Scottie Dog 6th Jun 2020 09:55

MANFOD - I'm afraid I'm out of contact with regards to the 900 srands. The last aerial photo I saw seemed to I indicative that none of them are yet in use.

MANFOD 6th Jun 2020 12:39

Thanks Scottie. If those remote stands were in use, it might enable the airport to handle some of those freight charters which, unlike other airports, MAN are allegedly turning away. It would be interesting to know why the airport decided not to use R2 for temporary parking given that it's likely to be a long time before traffic gets back to a level which justifies its return to operations. Of course, in the past R2 has proved its worth for emergencies and when R1 has been closed for maintenance but I'm not sure how that would apply now.

SWBKCB 6th Jun 2020 12:58


It would be interesting to know why the airport decided not to use R2 for temporary parking
Was there any demand for it?

750XL 6th Jun 2020 13:04

Logistical nightmare parking stuff that far away from the terminals, with engineers/service partners wanting to go to/from etc requiring airfield ops escorts all the time.

MAN777 6th Jun 2020 13:11

RW2 for aircraft parking
 
I would think parking aircraft on RW2 is more trouble than its worth, what happens if you have a closure of RW1 for whatever reason. It would take a long time to shift a row of aircraft. Also carrying out ongoing servicing of the runway surface would be impossible, also long term parking of heavy leaking aircraft may actually cause damage to the runway. And lastly carrying out storage service routines on the aircraft would be difficult as its part of the runway and taxiway system, very few people are permitted or qualified to drive there.

Scottie Dog 6th Jun 2020 13:29

Thank you 750XL and MAN777 for your explanations.

750XL 6th Jun 2020 13:40

Just another few points that popped into my head re parking aircraft on 23L
  • As previously mentioned, anybody needing to get to/from the aircraft will need an escort as few are permitted to drive there
  • The airport is running on skeleton staff, probably not enough people to tow aircraft over there
  • Should the airline go bust, MAG are left with a few expensive lumps of scrap metal taking up the runway. These things can't easily be towed around, look how long it took the TCX A330's to move from the 60's over towards T2
  • In the grand scheme of things, MAG don't actually charge a lot for aircraft parking. Barely seems worth the effort for them imo
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b58dfc3fe6.jpg
https://www.magairports.com/media/15...et-2019_20.pdf

MANFOD 6th Jun 2020 13:49


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10803844)
Was there any demand for it?

My understanding is that there were enquiries from several airlines, including BA, for additional parking facilities which MAN felt they had to turn down. Then there are all those extra freighters into and out of the UK at present which for whatever reason are going elsewhere. (there have been a few flights with freight only by airlines that are regular MAN customers on scheduled passenger services e.g. EK and I think HU). So there has been a demand for space.

ps thanks 750XL for those comments and the list of charges for aircraft parking.

The explanations offered why RW2 might not be suitable are no doubt valid, but my original point was that the new remote stands could have proved useful were they in use.

Curious Pax 6th Jun 2020 14:12

Interesting that it’s cheaper to park your sub 10 tonne aircraft at MAN than it is to leave your car in the multi storey for the day!

zfw 6th Jun 2020 15:49

Hearing from colleagues still working at the coal face that security are letting workers in with 2 litres of liquid, any confirmation?

Yeehaw22 6th Jun 2020 16:21


Originally Posted by zfw (Post 10804002)
Hearing from colleagues still working at the coal face that security are letting workers in with 2 litres of liquid, any confirmation?

Its a uk wide temporary allowance to allow staff to take in liquids as usual places to buy drinks are all closed.

commit aviation 6th Jun 2020 16:57

Once again the topic of freight rears it's head!

Don't forget that MAN is part of MAG where the G stands for Group. If it is a MAG decision then I imagine they have determined that financially freight is best handled through EMA and STN rather than MAN.
However it isn't necessarily an airport decision anyway. It could just as easily be lack of equipment (which would be down to handlers) or airline choice to fly elsewhere.

MKY661 7th Jun 2020 13:58

I wonder if Air Canada Rouge will be returning following that they have now withdrawn the 767. Can't see anything bookable on their site

SCFC1EP 7th Jun 2020 14:07

If Air Canada finally purchases Air Transat, then i think we will see the A330's as Air Canada Rogue If they don't purchase Air Transat we will still see Air Transat
It was always a short seasonal operation and if they did go ahead with Air Transat we probably would have had a reduce frequency anyway
Unless Air Canada mainline takes over with B738 max if the future or if Air Canada Rogue gets some A321LR then no I don't think we will see a return in the near future

Scottie Dog 7th Jun 2020 14:24


Originally Posted by MKY661 (Post 10804794)
I wonder if Air Canada Rouge will be returning following that they have now withdrawn the 767. Can't see anything bookable on their site

Definitely gone for S20. As has subsequently been said if will depend on what happens with regards to TSC.


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