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Luke1991 28th Jul 2018 23:22


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10208852)
Youre not making any sense. Firsrly, IAD can handle anywhere from 10-12 777s at a time, with still some spare capacity for aircraft like 767s and 787s.
Also, the largest aircraft in TCX's fleet is an Airbus A330-200 , which is smaller than a Boeing 777-200er...
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I think the poster meant the aircraft would be too large for the number of passengers flying the route, not that the airports wouldn't be able to accommodate the large aircraft.

Cazza_fly 29th Jul 2018 00:05


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10208852)
Youre not making any sense. Firsrly, IAD can handle anywhere from 10-12 777s at a time, with still some spare capacity for aircraft like 767s and 787s.
Also, the largest aircraft in TCX's fleet is an Airbus A330-200 , which is smaller than a Boeing 777-200er...
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The poster is not meaning in terms of what the airport can handle but more in terms of what the route can handle capacity wise... or are you being sarcastic :uhoh:

RAS_2001 29th Jul 2018 05:25


Originally Posted by Cazza_fly (Post 10208904)
The poster is not meaning in terms of what the airport can handle but more in terms of what the route can handle capacity wise... or are you being sarcastic :uhoh:

Regardless, I still think that it would be a very popular route should VS or MT decide to give it a shot. Maybe not as a year round destination, but morso seasonal.

chaps1954 29th Jul 2018 07:14

United couldn`t make it work with a B757 and BMI used an A330 but the figures were fairly poor

Mr Mac 29th Jul 2018 08:48

I used the BMI (A330) service back in early 2000,s to Washington for about 6 months so about 6 flights and I would say that apart from high summer, the load was quite light in my all be it limited experience as I re call. Service always good form BMI crew, and product were very good in Business in comparison with US carriers and I had good reports on economy cabin as well, pity they are no longer with us.
Regards
Mr Mac

RAS_2001 29th Jul 2018 09:40

The question is, what WOULD make it work?

chaps1954 29th Jul 2018 10:07

It is a very seasonal route due to tourism and not much business so it is never going to be a big money maker

MAN777 29th Jul 2018 10:09

Car park charge chaos
 

Hope someone at MAG is seeing this ?

Trying to post link to facebook but not working !

Video of T3 traffic jam as people miss there 5 min drop off deadline.

Armodeen 29th Jul 2018 10:13


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10209121)
The question is, what WOULD make it work?

A321LR from an established operator could probably make it work.

Ex Cargo Clown 29th Jul 2018 10:24

Just to clarify a few things, T3 was never designed to be used/abused as it is now. It really needs to be extended towards the APH. T2 needs extending towards the west, and "around the corner". The "connection" between anything and T3 needs sorting, it's ridiculous how badly signed it is. Also it's a shame we can't have a fourth terminal on the southside of 23L, there's is enough land.

MANFOD 29th Jul 2018 10:48

IAD: Perhaps it falls between 2 stools in that it's not really a P2P destination with sufficient demand but neither is it a major transfer hub. I imagine the PHL flights have a high proportion of connecting pax (unless someone has specific figures) which would probably impact on an IAD service.

TCX: I see Seattle is now included again on the TCX S2019 timetable which is reassuring. No BOS still, but there are 40 x weekly long haul departures compared to 44 in s2019, but up from the 38 previously showing.
Whether the program has now been finalised, who knows.

Rutan16 29th Jul 2018 11:05

Dullas is overwhelming dominated by United and A* partners and affiliates ( even Aer Lingus remain wedded to UA on this route sector !).

Problem is for Manchester many much and most of the UA connecting traffic from and to our area just seems better suited to the beyond services offered out of Newark today.

Seems United saw it is a duplication and indeed it really was as it simply replaced the second EWK in any event.

What we need to see from United soon is the always just round the corner reinstatement of a 764 on Newark with the added pallet space this offers.

Back Washington if United can’t make it work standing alone of the Newark operation I am struggling to see anyone else making work in the near future.

Certainly not American whose current policy is to route eastern seaboard connections traffic over Philadelphia period stop.

Delta/Virgin route over JFK/Atlanta - they have just a few flights a day beyond Dullas all to the other hubs ,it’s bearly even a functional spoke - indeed Delta are even pretty tiny down town at DCA !

IMHO the best hope for a restored flight could be as a transit stop-perhaps we could get Ethiopian to reroute ET500/501 through Manchester rather than Dublin and with traffic rights ( they have none on the IAD -DUB sector ! ) and it’s a 77W nice box uplift there !

Norwegian seem very flappy with 7M8 it somehow doesn’t seem to be meeting their expectations of building secondary and smaller TALC markets yet tested. The A321LR may just be real gamechanger !

Thomas Cook/ Condor are imho at the point they need to fortify and consolidate their current route portfolio rather than further expansion for the time being - especially so if they are looking for new investors of the airline operating division as rumoured elsewhere.









LAX_LHR 29th Jul 2018 11:39

Thomas Cook increasing Seattle to 3 weekly, JFK to 8 weekly but LAX down to 2 weekly.

MCO goes 13 weekly with 3 flights on Sundays too

MANFOD 29th Jul 2018 12:51

TCX: Many thanks LAX. Unless there are other frequency changes, I reckon that would amount to c 47 weekly departures for s2019. Pretty tight for 7 based a/c I would have thought. If the Air Tankers are going, I wonder where an extra A330 is coming from, or could they run the program with their existing fleet taking into account their other UK bases?

Scottie Dog 29th Jul 2018 13:28

Did I read somewhere else that TCX are reducing their STN programme for S19? Could that release another aircraft....

RAS_2001 29th Jul 2018 15:05


Originally Posted by MANFOD (Post 10209260)
TCX: Many thanks LAX. Unless there are other frequency changes, I reckon that would amount to c 47 weekly departures for s2019. Pretty tight for 7 based a/c I would have thought. If the Air Tankers are going, I wonder where an extra A330 is coming from, or could they run the program with their existing fleet taking into account their other UK bases?

​​​​​​I have a solution. Order the A330neo...

Suzeman 29th Jul 2018 19:16

Headline news in the MEN electronic version this evening

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rport-14956923

The PR people are earning their bonuses,,,,

Suzeman 29th Jul 2018 19:18


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10209330)
​​​​​​I have a solution. Order the A330neo...

Jolly good.

Can you suggest a good financial deal for their acquisition as well whilst you are at it ?

RAS_2001 30th Jul 2018 07:12


Originally Posted by Suzeman (Post 10209490)
Jolly good.

Can you suggest a good financial deal for their acquisition as well whilst you are at it ?

Well, first and foremost, TCX will need to modernise their fleet sooner or later as some of their current a330-200s are leased i.e. G-VYGM etc. Also, if TCX want to establish themselves as '''competition' for all other hub carriers, then they need to re-evaluate and reconsider whether or not leasing A330s is the best way around their current problem ATM.
That is having a sufficient number of aircraft available to operate routes like BOS and SFO on the same dates i.e. Saturday's.

RAS_2001 30th Jul 2018 07:16

I cannot suggest a good financial deal as my speciality is not in finance, business and management; but rather a more, let's say, enjoyable and exciting experience. I'm sure if TCX really did want to modernise both their fleet and the interior of the aircraft (to match that of the 787/a350/a330neo, they would undoubtedly do exactly that.


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