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nigel osborne 26th Sep 2018 18:06


Originally Posted by GrahamK (Post 10258887)
AF ops to MAN change to Joon from 31st March 2019

Wow never saw that coming !

chinapattern 26th Sep 2018 19:06

I remember when BHX was rumoured to be switching to Transavia France it was argued MAN was far too important to the network to change from mainline! With EDI going to Hop! I wonder what will happen to BHX?

ZOOKER 26th Sep 2018 19:49

"AF ops to MAN change to Joon from 31st June 2019".

Please could you explain what this actually means?

Rutan16 26th Sep 2018 20:15

JOON is The AirFrance union breaker operation, However all flights retain the same AF flight code and tickets are still sold with full connectivity beyond Paris.

All flights should be with the A320 with the same CY174 as mainline indeed they are the same aircraft that have regularly operated as mainline until recently.

As Joon aren’t getting any 319 or 318 capacity may actually increase with this move.

Its rather like Iberia Express being a virtual airline within an airline.

Quite a lot of the AirFrance European secondary routes not in the hands of Hop are likely to be transferred in the medium term it’s part of the plan to make AirFrance more profitable.


Rutan16 26th Sep 2018 20:20


Originally Posted by chinapattern (Post 10259217)
I remember when BHX was rumoured to be switching to Transavia France it was argued MAN was far too important to the network to change from mainline! With EDI going to Hop! I wonder what will happen to BHX?

Could very well follow with Joon in the not to distant future as more of the older A320s transfer .

Edinburgh gets both Hop branded aircraft and mainline but its remains sold as an AirFrance operation.




nigel osborne 26th Sep 2018 21:08


Originally Posted by chinapattern (Post 10259217)
I remember when BHX was rumoured to be switching to Transavia France it was argued MAN was far too important to the network to change from mainline! With EDI going to Hop! I wonder what will happen to BHX?

Possible BHX will go to Joon next too.Or more Fly Be ?

However AF don't have a low cost carrier such as Easy jet to compete against like Manchester has.

So also possible BHX will stay with mainline AF but only if it's profitable enough.

Scottie Dog 26th Sep 2018 21:21

Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 1)

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

One new destination was served in August 2018

Dallas/Fort Worth - 131 scheduled passengers. Not bad since we don't have a flight to Dallas, and definitely not one that carries scheduled passengers.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)

Amsterdam - 1,029,831 passengers
Dubai - 1,021,921 passengers

Two domestic statistics are currently missing from the CAA report for August.

Belfast City, Inverness, Jersey are yet to provide figures

Total passengers for these routes in 2017 were 39,498.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Data at present is not available
Monthly passengers -
Annual Total -
Moving Annual Total -

Monthly Movements -
Annual Movements -
Moving Annual Movements -


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 2)

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8f1755cbc3.png


CAA statistics for August 2018 are provisional


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 3)

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1e977b9319.png

CAA statistics for August are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 4)

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e62513df73.png


CAA statistics for August are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 5)

Comparison of top 25 destinations - August 2008 versus August 2018

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c69cd5c46f.png


CAA statistics for August are provisional.



Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 6)

Major changes to Domestic traffic

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4bb504ac57.png


Belfast City, Inverness, Jersey have not reported figures for August.

CAA statistics for August are provisional

Edited - due being brain-dead when making original post!

TURIN 26th Sep 2018 21:30


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10256536)
TURIN

So you are honestly saying because of so called " human factors" it's acceptable to drive 100 yards with a man on a bonnet simply because the driver got annoyed about some charges ?

Well sorry, it isnt. I would describe anybody who supports such action as mentally ill.

We are going to hell in a hand cart.

And it is bollocksology!

Well its good to see that you have come to the subject with an open mind. :bored:
There is nothing 'so called' about human factors. It is a well known science which airlines and other industries spend a fortune on to try and mitigate the effects. Look at any major accident, whether it be aviation, shipping or construction.

I did not say it is or was acceptable to drive a hundred yards with someone on your bonnet. Please do not put words in my mouth.

Where you go and the mode of transport you choose is your affair, I however, will be off to enjoy a bright future, preferably in something black, shiney and comfortable.

MAJP 27th Sep 2018 07:05

Ryanair to Marseille...in 2019 waiting for timetable

MKY661 27th Sep 2018 08:47

EasyJet summer flights now on sale. GIB remains 3pw so it looks like EasyJet are not willing to increase the frequency as much as Monarch did?

boredintheairport 27th Sep 2018 13:15


Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10259330)
Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 1)

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

One new destination was served in August 2018

Dallas/Fort Worth - 131 scheduled passengers. Not bad since we don't have a flight to Dallas, and definitely not one that carries scheduled passengers.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)

Amsterdam - 1,029,831 passengers
Dubai - 1,021,921 passengers

Two domestic statistics are currently missing from the CAA report for August.

Belfast City, Inverness, Jersey are yet to provide figures

Total passengers for these routes in 2017 were 39,498.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Data at present is not available
Monthly passengers -
Annual Total -
Moving Annual Total -

Monthly Movements -
Annual Movements -
Moving Annual Movements -


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 2)

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

https://image.ibb.co/k65kK9/Screenshot_36.png

CAA statistics for August 2018 are provisional


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 3)

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

https://image.ibb.co/nGhXz9/Screenshot_35.png

CAA statistics for August are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 4)

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

https://image.ibb.co/kJQVmp/Screenshot_33.png

CAA statistics for August are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 5)

Comparison of top 25 destinations - August 2008 versus August 2018

https://image.ibb.co/bPhAmp/Screenshot_29.png

CAA statistics for August are provisional.



Manchester Statistics - August 2018 (Part 6)

Major changes to Domestic traffic

https://image.ibb.co/mQnze9/Screenshot_30.png

Belfast City, Inverness, Jersey have not reported figures for August.

CAA statistics for August are provisional

Enormously informative as ever. Small point, I think some of your labels may be the wrong way round - part 6 says major changes to domestic traffic, but lists a lot of international destinations. Is that supposed to label something else?
Actually looking back the labels for parts 2 and 3 look a bit funny as well. Part 3 talks about percentage change in the table and then doesn't report percentages. I believe gremlins may be in the works.

chaps1954 27th Sep 2018 14:05

Joon look remarkbly similar to Lufthansa new scheme except bigger titles

Scottie Dog 27th Sep 2018 16:44


Originally Posted by boredintheairport (Post 10259869)
Enormously informative as ever. Small point, I think some of your labels may be the wrong way round - part 6 says major changes to domestic traffic, but lists a lot of international destinations. Is that supposed to label something else?
Actually looking back the labels for parts 2 and 3 look a bit funny as well. Part 3 talks about percentage change in the table and then doesn't report percentages. I believe gremlins may be in the works.

Thank you @boredintheairport, I obviously was rushing things last night and failed to double check the details.

mariofly12 27th Sep 2018 19:38

New FR routes for S19 out of MAN, apart from MRS, include Bordeaux,Marrakesh, Thessaloniki, Gotheburg and Nantes

Also Easyjet increases MAN-ATH to 5w in July and daily in August

LFC22 27th Sep 2018 20:58

https://twitter.com/EGCCInsider/status/1045271505939181569?s=19

New airbridges for T2

Mr A Tis 27th Sep 2018 23:21


MANFOD 28th Sep 2018 07:59

Mr A Tis, in your keenness to display more negativity, I hope you managed to read the last sentence of the article:
"A second video published this week shows baggage handlers taking extra care in handling passengers' luggage".

The situation reported can occur when bags are delivered very quickly (and yes it can happen), and/or there are delays at Border Control (that certainly happens at times), so that cases arrive before passengers. However, whereas airport staff are often on hand to manage queues at departures, my own experience is that there is usually no obvious sign of supervisory staff in arrivals. Perhaps someone can provide better information, but It's not readily apparent what coordination there is when delays occur at Border Control in terms of the delivery of bags - for example, are there enough carousels to enable a late switching if there is a build up on a particular carousel?

DomyDom 28th Sep 2018 09:29


Originally Posted by mariofly12 (Post 10260135)
New FR routes for S19 out of MAN, apart from MRS, include Bordeaux,Marrakesh, Thessaloniki, Gotheburg and Nantes

Also Easyjet increases MAN-ATH to 5w in July and daily in August

Great to see FR and EZY growth is continuing
at MAN with plenty of interesting new routes and capacity increases. We must be the biggest hubs now outside of STN (for FR) and LGW (for EZY) if I'm not mistaken?

ZOOKER 28th Sep 2018 10:16

I would expect baggage handlers to take "extra care" at all times, along with everyone else who works in a safety-critical, customer-focussed enviornment such as aviation.

DomyDom, excellent news, more congestion and chaos on the horizon. EGCC seems an appropriate code for the place at present, doesn't it?

MANFOD 28th Sep 2018 10:52

To put things in perspective, those 6 new routes add up to 12 additional departures a week, although 5 of those are on a Sunday. Also, most are with away based a/c or late departures so not adding to congestion with the early wave of departures. I understand there will be a second daily Belfast flight but haven't checked the timings.


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