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easyflyer83 22nd Sep 2018 11:18

But none of that is an excuse to go around the airport campus with a member of staff on your bonnet simply because it pees you off.

To your comment though, for every passenger who votes with their feet and goes to LHR, there are many more for whom going to London sticks in their throat and will not entertain the idea.

Incidentally, I have no problem with using LHR, transit or otherwise, and please don’t see this a supporting MAN’s failings but like I said a few posts ago, some seem to be ‘laying it on thick’. Add balance to your arguments.

The airlines you cite CX (et-al) will continue to flourish. The likes of EK in particular, will fly into worse places around the world than MAN and geographically, MAN will always be very convenient.

MAN has issues but let’s not predict the end of the world.

The96er 22nd Sep 2018 12:01

Maybe the drive for increased airport patronage through the low cost airline revolution is really starting to bite now. Yes, no doubt the wider economy is benefited, but the huge strain that is now put on the facilities and employees with very little extra income, if any at all to maintain upkeep and staffing levels is proving an impossible task. Something will have to give soon.

Mr A Tis 22nd Sep 2018 12:22

easy flyer83

But none of that is an excuse to go around the airport campus with a member of staff on your bonnet simply because it pees you off.
Where have I suggested this is acceptable?
I have not commented on that incident in ANY way.


London sticks in their throat and will not entertain the idea.
You are speaking from a Northern perspective- completely ignoring the international business passengers this place is supposed to encourage. My Colleague is Hong Kong based and thinks this place "stinks" The recent baggage incident has been widely reported in China & Hong Kong.

I think the general acceptance that things aren't good but hey ho other places are worse just about sums up Manchester - mediocrity at best with little aspiration of trying to be at least good if not the best. If you don't start with goals then you ain't going to get far.

I'd hardy say CX is flourishing as it chose to put in a Dublin service rather than up the MAN service which it easily could have done to consolidate, & Hanain isn't looking good either.

easyflyer83 22nd Sep 2018 13:26

Some of your opinions lack context though.

1) The wider debate surrounded the car bonnet incident and whether MAN’s failures justified it. You weighed into that debate.

2) As appalling as the bagge incident is, these videos appear every so often. I can’t remember where the last place was where such behaviour was captured. It won’t affect passenger numbers.

3) CX -the fact they are going to DUB doesn’t necessarily reflect on MAN’s performance. It could well be a strategic decision or even that CX at MAN is performing well (which it is) but hasn’t yet proven a business case for further frequencies yet.

4) Hainan has more to do with its own issues than anything else I would say.

I just think some, at this stage at least, are exaggerating the affect of some of the problems that MAN faces.

The example of your colleague is totally anecdotal as is the people I come across from time to time who say “we usually like to fly from Liverpool” etc etc.

Mr A Tis 22nd Sep 2018 16:04

easyflyer

You weighed into that debate.
NO I did NOT - show me !!


these videos appear every so often
..let me think- oh yes the last one I saw was...Manchester a few weeks ago...

easyflyer83 22nd Sep 2018 16:35


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10255386)
Bet people can't wait for Jet Airways to start :https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/passen...-air-pressure/

Your response to someone arguing that MAN were still seeing development in it's aviation business despite it's problems. You then began to reel off your issues, most of which we already know and accept. I see that as you adding to the debate.

Anyway, I've watched from the sidelines recently and read some debate between those who recognise the issues at MAN and those who, for whatever reason seem to stick up for MAN regardless. That certainly isn't me. However, I had to speak up when several decided to think that a drop measly drop off fee, however un liked, was acceptable mitigation for a man to drive off with someone on his car bonnet.

Like I said before, add a little constraint and balance into your debates.

spannersatcx 22nd Sep 2018 18:22

Starting at DUB has absolutely nothing to do with MAN, if anything it has taken away pax from LHR and possibly MAN, but as the flights are full I guess they haven't lost much !

Navpi 22nd Sep 2018 20:18

Suspended term for driving 100 yards with a man on the bonnet.. im speechless.

Yes it's annoying, Yes be angry, but come on.

I really get peeeed off with this utter crap about people using STRESS to justify their actions , complete and utter bollocksology.

ZOOKER 22nd Sep 2018 20:38

No stress at John Lewis/Sainsbury's Navpi.......Drive in, park, do your shopping, drive out again. Perhaps Cowan and his mates should do a liaison visit to Cheadle Royal to learn how to 'embrace the customer'? Perhaps they haven't got the time? Too many other 'directorships' simultaneously on the go?

TURIN 23rd Sep 2018 19:52


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10255779)
Suspended term for driving 100 yards with a man on the bonnet.. im speechless.

Yes it's annoying, Yes be angry, but come on.

I really get peeeed off with this utter crap about people using STRESS to justify their actions , complete and utter bollocksology.

May I politely suggest you do some reading on the subject of Human Factors. Especially in regard to personel who work in, around or amongst safety critical industry and situations.
Stress is not in itself a reason or a justification. Neither is it bollocksology (sic).

Navpi 23rd Sep 2018 21:49

TURIN

So you are honestly saying because of so called " human factors" it's acceptable to drive 100 yards with a man on a bonnet simply because the driver got annoyed about some charges ?

Well sorry, it isnt. I would describe anybody who supports such action as mentally ill.

We are going to hell in a hand cart.

And it is bollocksology!

Skipness One Foxtrot 23rd Sep 2018 23:09


I'd hardy say CX is flourishing as it chose to put in a Dublin service rather than up the MAN service which it easily could have done to consolidate, & Hanain isn't looking good either.
Singapore has never had more than one daily flight to Changi in 40 years I think?
The airlines who come in on long haul and sustain double daily in a few years tend to be two ME rivals, one of which is blockading the other at time of writing, and even Emirates is still one daily at NCL after all this time. Surely if Cathay need more capacity, the A350-1000 would be the first option rather than another flight?

CCGE29 24th Sep 2018 00:56

I've never seen so much rubbish being posted on here. Firstly, I do understand the issues at MAN and have experienced them first hand (Admittedly I only depart Manchester twice a month).

Some of the inaccuracies posted on here-

"No new airlines want to start at MAN' - False. Jet Airways & Ethiopian are starting ops in the next few months.

'Cathay chose MAN over DUB' - Well we can't be sure on that. However, CX are increasing MAN from the A350-900 to the A350-1000 in December.

'No moving walkways working' - I feel that this is an exaggeration considering I arrived at MAN the other day and all were working (To my surprise). The escalator in arrivals is turned off with the justification being to slow the flow of passengers entering passport control. I do feel that this shows a real lack of investment in staffing by the Home Office. The E-Gates also reject a high number of passengers and are very slow in comparison to those in other countries (Did the Home Office purchase them or was it the airport?).

You'd have to be daft to consider Heathrow because Manchester takes an extra 15 minutes. Drive for 3+ hours to save 15 minutes. Logical. MAN will not be losing passenger numbers over this, people will always be tempted to go for the lowest fare, no matter which airport.

There is no doubt that MAN has some serious issues that need sorting. Have a reasonable debate, though please can we have facts rather than the inaccurate comments being posted.








Mr A Tis 24th Sep 2018 08:18

CCGE29

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'No moving walkways working' - I feel that this is an exaggeration considering I arrived at MAN the other day and all were working (To my surprise). The escalator in arrivals is turned off with the justification being to slow the flow of passengers entering passport control
Streuth - turn off escalator is queue management ? Even though we were the only arrival into T1?
All six walkways turned off from T1 to The station - So they worked for you one day, so for me it must be an exaggeration ?

Re CX, when you can use either airport without time penalty, LHR will always win.

people will always be tempted to go for the lowest fare, no matter which airport
. Yes many will- but that's the MAN mentality again always aiming at the bucket & Spade holiday trade- completely ignoring the business community that keeps the long haul viable.

Geez- I give up with you MAN appeasers.

ZOOKER 24th Sep 2018 09:39

Going back several years, the Skyline travellators were often not working, usually after 1900 local. On several evenings they were all inoperable, the silence in the walkway was quite eerie.

easyflyer83 24th Sep 2018 13:30

Mr A Tis

There are MAN appeasers out there (not necessarily you CCEG, Skipness etc) but there are many here who also 'lay it on thick'. No one has denied MAN has problems, it does. But they can be over exaggerated by some on here from time to time.

Mr A Tis 24th Sep 2018 15:59

easyflyer83

Thank you- you make my point perfectly.

I'm sure we all at least agree these facts:
  • MAN is under resourced - understaffed
  • MAN made record profits and just paid out record dividends.

Job well done.

MKY661 26th Sep 2018 08:35

EasyJet flights from MAN-TXL now bookable. Route starts on 31 March and replaces SXF.

jubilee 26th Sep 2018 10:26

Going back to airport experience. Sunday 16th. September dropped off at the free parking point 8:10am. car park empty, bus came along within a few minutes. Passed through security in about 5 minutes, with a very pleasant lady near the head off the queue
instructing people what to do. Ryan air flight to Palma (10:10 dept.). Unfortunately group of girls on board who were sat in different areas who insisted on shouting to each other over the seats spoiled whatever enjoyment you may experience on a Ryan Air flight.

Palma Airport passport control. Manchester needs to go and look at this new set up, whole bank off eye scanners - must be about 30 - with one personal at the other side of the scanner to assist if needed,, incredible flow rate considering the amount of passengers
going through.

Fortunate to come back on BA, What a great experience after the outbound flight.

Jubilee

GrahamK 26th Sep 2018 12:03

AF ops to MAN change to Joon from 31st March 2019


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