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ZOOKER 28th Sep 2018 13:07

The congestion will come later MANFOD, and will be guaranteed. Over on the infrastructure pages, 'Wing Tips' tells us The Hut Group plans to build to office blocks on the north side of Ringway Road West, with space for 10,000 workers, In addition, there will be 2 other six-story office buildings, with a total of 184,000 square feet of floor space. At a guess all 3 buildings between them could generate up to 5,000 extra vehicles requiring access to the site......They'll need a 'relief road' for the 'relief road.

MANFOD 28th Sep 2018 13:47

Ah, ZOOKER, that's a different but very valid point. Personally, I'm pleased that at last there is more positive news publicly about Airport City developments, but I agree they will throw up challenges for road traffic although I've no idea about the number of extra vehicles you mention.

Mr A Tis 29th Sep 2018 14:44


planedrive 29th Sep 2018 17:03

Expect new routes for EZY to be announced soon, at least 3more a/c to come for next summer.

spannersatcx 29th Sep 2018 19:28


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10261624)


Footage taken by a driver - The driver, who wishes to remain anonymous
, probably a good idea as it's against the law to operate a phone whilst in charge of a vehicle!

paully 29th Sep 2018 19:44


Originally Posted by spannersatcx (Post 10261800)
, probably a good idea as it's against the law to operate a phone whilst in charge of a vehicle!

Yes but they werent in motion at the time..in fact far from it by all accounts

ZULUBOY 29th Sep 2018 21:20


Originally Posted by paully (Post 10261808)
Yes but they werent in motion at the time..in fact far from it by all accounts

Time for you to brush up on your knowledge of mobile phone laws

MANworker 30th Sep 2018 00:25

Just a quick point, just landed back in tonight at 2115, 30 mins ahead of schedule, straight through border force collected luggage and was on the m56 within 25 mins, including a 10 min wait for the bus to the car park, not saying that MAN doesn’t have some fundamental issues cos it clearly does have them, just that certain media outlets seem to want to make their local airport look as poor as it possibly can.

ZOOKER 30th Sep 2018 10:58

Well done MANworker. Saturday afternoons and evenings are traditionally the quietest times of the week. Runway 05R/23L closes at 4pm, due to the fall-off in traffic, so hopefully one would expect nothing less.

chaps1954 30th Sep 2018 11:49

Still plenty of arrivals just few departures Zooker

MANworker 30th Sep 2018 13:45


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 10262207)
Well done MANworker. Saturday afternoons and evenings are traditionally the quietest times of the week. Runway 05R/23L closes at 4pm, due to the fall-off in traffic, so hopefully one would expect nothing less.

Yet if you listen to the MEN you wouldn’t expect anything other than broken baggage, 2 hour delays in border force and a 4 hour wait in the arrivals hall for the fore mentioned baggage. Just thought I’d make the point that it’s not all bad like some people and outlets try to make out...

ZOOKER 30th Sep 2018 21:31

But, if A-CDM is working, you would expect the level of customer-service you experienced to be there at all times MANworker. It obviously isn't.

Suzeman 30th Sep 2018 22:36


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 10262540)
But, if A-CDM is working, you would expect the level of customer-service you experienced to be there at all times MANworker. It obviously isn't.

I thought MAN were yet to implement CDM?

MANFOD 30th Sep 2018 23:10

If this is what you are talking about, it was expected to be introduced in 2013.

https://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/...cision-making/

MANworker 1st Oct 2018 09:19

They currently have LCDM, yet to implement ACDM, but if the resources aren’t there you can have all the technology in the world to tell you exactly what time every flight is arriving but it won’t find you those extra staff needed.

Suzeman 1st Oct 2018 11:58


Originally Posted by MANFOD (Post 10262604)
If this is what you are talking about, it was expected to be introduced in 2013.

https://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/...cision-making/

That's it - thank you

And on the Eurocontrol website, it currently shows those airports that have implemented A-CDM


A-CDM is fully implemented in 28 airports across Europe, including: Amsterdam, Barcelona, Berlin Schönefeld, Brussels, Copenhagen, Düsseldorf, Frankfurt, Geneva, Hamburg, Helsinki, London Gatwick (*DPI message exchange between Gatwick Airport and NMOC is temporarily suspended), London Heathrow, Lyon-Saint Exupéry, Madrid, Milan Malpensa, Milan Linate, Munich, Naples, Paris CDG, Paris Orly, Oslo, Palma de Mallorca, Prague, Rome Fiumicino, Stockholm Arlanda, Stuttgart, Venice, Zurich.
https://www.eurocontrol.int/node/10666/index.php

So only 5 years late so far at MAN...I wonder why?

Suzeman 1st Oct 2018 16:47


Originally Posted by MANworker (Post 10262832)
They currently have LCDM, yet to implement ACDM, but if the resources aren’t there you can have all the technology in the world to tell you exactly what time every flight is arriving but it won’t find you those extra staff needed.

Thanks.
LCDM? Is that Local Collaborative Decision Making?
And could you explain how this works at MAN please? Bit out of the loop nowadays.

I agree entirely that knowing a few hours in advance that there is going to be a surge in late arrivals for example can't just magic up resources nowadays but maybe it can avoid some issues that would otherwise make the situation worse.

Trouble is that most people nowadays expects to travel for next to nothing and still have a great service. However in order to do this all the parties involved have had to cut costs and resources to the bone, which is fine when it all goes right. But when it goes wrong - as it often does, always has and always will - then there is no contingency and things rapidly descend into chaos. And with social media this gets picked up quickly and is spread around the world in minutes.

Glad to be out of all this now.

roverman 1st Oct 2018 18:32


Originally Posted by Suzeman (Post 10263195)
Thanks.
LCDM? Is that Local Collaborative Decision Making?
And could you explain how this works at MAN please? Bit out of the loop nowadays.

I agree entirely that knowing a few hours in advance that there is going to be a surge in late arrivals for example can't just magic up resources nowadays but maybe it can avoid some issues that would otherwise make the situation worse.

Trouble is that most people nowadays expects to travel for next to nothing and still have a great service. However in order to do this all the parties involved have had to cut costs and resources to the bone, which is fine when it all goes right. But when it goes wrong - as it often does, always has and always will - then there is no contingency and things rapidly descend into chaos. And with social media this gets picked up quickly and is spread around the world in minutes.

Glad to be out of all this now.

Correct, Sir. LCDM is Local CDM limited to just the ground handling time stamps and not the ATC ones which come with full implementation. It's a sort of first stage of a phased introduction. Deadline for MAN to be fully A-CDM is the end of 2020. Contract award imminent for supply and installation of systems at MAN (partially funded by Eurocontrol / EU not quite sure who), and looking to implement over the next 12 months. Makes sense for MAN to remain part of this whatever Brexit throws up but I guess that, along with everything else, is yet to be decided. I agree with those who say A-CDM will not mitigate for lack of resource in the ground handling world but it should provide a better tool for tactical allocation of resource.

MKY661 1st Oct 2018 18:41

Primera Air flights from MAN-AGP will now not start as the airline has gone into Administration.

Suzeman 1st Oct 2018 18:58

Re CDM etc
Thanks Roverman


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