LS could just lease a couple of aircraft as they have done this year. Anyway, slots are one thing, terminal capacity (gates, stands, check in desks) is another. T1/T3 are already bursting at the seams at peak times. Unless you’re going to start moving other operators to T2 (at a time when capacity there is limited) how do you fit anymore based aircraft in?
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is MAG offloading BOH or not?
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How is T2 going to be so space constrained that it couldn't accommodate the slot usage when you are talking about adding in capacity that was going to be operational there in the first place? These slots are not for growth per say, they are for maintaining the status quo really.
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Last time I flew out of T2 most of the MON flights were boarding from remote stands as there were no terminal stands free. You have already posted pictures of the building site that is T2, and space is only going to become more constrained as the building work progresses (it's an inevitable consequence of work to an existing building - you have to take its out of service to join the new stuff on, which results in short term capacity issues).
There will also be constraints on landside as the works to car parks and the road network progress. MAG may actually be glad to have some breathing space in terms capacity for the next couple of summers. |
Time for my monthly review of the CAA data statistics.......
Manchester Statistics - September 2017 (Part 1) Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown. No new routes to report - although Kiev (Borispol) appeared as a 'one off'. Only one domestic statistic is currently missing from the CAA report for September. Exeter is missing from the initial monthly statistics for September. In September 2016 the flown passenger figure for this route was 9,724. Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics Monthly passengers - 2,867,212 + 7.4% Annual Total- 21,752,889 Moving Annual Total - 27,643,286 + 11.3% Monthly Movements - 19,197 + 6.7% Moving Annual Movements - 196,633 + 10.1% Manchester Statistics -September 2017 (Part 2) Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers PALMA............................................. 119,917 ALICANTE.......................................... 99,789 AMSTERDAM..................................... 85,337 DUBAI................................................ 84,634 MALAGA............................................ 78,347 TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 77,930 DUBLIN.............................................. 75,047 FARO.................................................. 66,420 HEATHROW....................................... 54,180 PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 52,143 BARCELONA....................................... 49,823 IBIZA.................................................. 48,949 DALAMAN.......................................... 48,755 ARRICIFE............................................ 44,695 ORLANDO.......................................... 41,910 FRANKFURT....................................... 34,813 NEW YORK JFK................................... 37,708 PAPHOS.............................................. 37,024 ABU DHABI......................................... 36,589 MAHON............................................. 33,700 LAS PALMAS....................................... 32,968 ANTALYA............................................ 32,339 MUNICH............................................. 31,968 HERAKLION........................................ 31,139 CORFU............................................... 30,072 CAA statistics for September are provisional. Manchester Statistics - September 2017 (Part 3) Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase. Destination......................................Total Pax....Schedule Pax....Charter Pax....Percentage change BOSTON.............................................. 8,112............. 8,112.................. 0.................... 464.9 TOULOUSE.......................................... 6,291............. 6,291.................. 0.................... 203.03 MIKONOS............................................ 6,899............. 6,899.................. 0................... 182.05 OLBIA................................................. 5,685.............. 3,852........... 1,833.................... 106.28 OPORTO............................................. 8,730.............. 8,730................. 0..................... 106.24 HAMBURG........................................ 24,232........... 24,232.................. 0.................... 103.75 HURGHADA........................................ 8,940.............. 8,940.................. 0.................... 102.54 SPLIT................................................. 13,116............ 11,283........... 1,833.................... 100.03 KRAKOW........................................... 13,321............ 13,321.................. 0.................... 87.937 PERPIGNAN............................................ 159................ 159.................. 0.................... 82.759 SALONIKA......................................... 10,243.............. 7,421............ 2,822.................... 75.184 CATANIA (FONTANAROSSA)............... 7,418.............. 5,949............ 1,469.................... 73.035 ILHA DO SAL CAPE VERDE.................. 5,331............... 5,331................... 0..................... 70.92 DUBROVNIK...................................... 18,279............ 18,279................... 0..................... 69.156 RENNES.................................................. 189................. 189................... 0..................... 56.198 LOS ANGELES...................................... 7,229.............. 7,229................... 0..................... 52.607 BEZIERS............................................... 4,060............... 4,060.................. 0.................... 51.21 GERONA............................................ 15,016............ 10,491........... 4,525.................... 50.748 GLASGOW........................................... 5,619............... 5,619.................. 0.................... 48,927 NEWQUAY.......................................... 8,726............... 8,726 .................. 0.................... 42.489 CARCASSONNE................................... 4,371............... 4,371................... 0.................... 41.00 GDANSK.............................................. 4,398............... 4,398................... 0.................... 40.377 GIBRALTAR........................................ 10,865............ 10,865................... 0..................... 39.887 ATHENS.............................................. 12,101........... 11,703................ 398.................... 39.06 BILBAO................................................ 6,607.............. 6,607.................. 0...................... 38.686 CAA statistics for September are provisional. Manchester Statistics - September 2017 (Part 4) Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic. Foreign_airport……..Total_Pax 2016……..Total Pax 2017……% change VIENNA………………….. 9,635……….…………….. 9,622……………….. -0.135 BRUSSELS……………… 18,016……………………. 18,704……………….. +3.8188 BEIJING………………….. 8,669 ………………….… 10,580.………………. +22.044 PRAGUE………………… 13,024……………………. 13,479…….…………. +3.4936 COPENHAGEN………. 30,980……………………. 29,103……………….. -6.059 HELSINKI………………... 9,790…………….……... 10,503……………….. +7.2829 PARIS (CDG)…………… 50,737……………………. 52,143…………….... +2.7712 DUSSELDORF…………. 18,278………..………….. 21,558……………….. +17.945 FRANKFURT MAIN…. 36,113……………………. 37,891….…………….. +4.9234 MUNICH………………… 33,314..………………….. 31,968………………… -4.04 HONG KONG………….. 10,028….………………… 10,581 ……….……… +5.5146 KEFLAVIK…………………. 9,294……………….…… 10,887….…………… +17.14 DUBLIN…………………… 77,996……………………. 75,047………….……. -3.781 MILAN (MALPENSA).. 17,321……………………. 16,653……………….. -3.857 ROME (FIUMICINO).. 11,632..………………….. 12,985……………….. +11.632 AMSTERDAM…………. 86,235…………………….. 85,337.……………... -1.041 ISLAMABAD……………. 22,445..…………………… 14,042………………. -37.44 LISBON …………………… 19,412…………………….. 25,214………..…….. +29.889 DOHA…………………….. 30,085…………………….. 28,496………………. -5.282 JEDDAH……………………. 9,002………………………. 8,208……………….. -8.82 SINGAPORE……………… 9,103………………………. 8,116……………….. -10.84 MADRID…………………. 13,607…………………….. 14,326………………. +5.284 STOCKHOLM (ARN)… 12,836…………………….. 16,805………………. +30.921 GENEVA…………………. 14,780…………………….. 17,383….………..... +17.612 ZURICH……………………. 8,855……………………… 10,026………………. +13.224 ABU DHABI…………….. 36,192……………….……. 36,589…..…………. +1.0969 DUBAI…………………….. 78,426.……………………. 84,634………………. +7.9157 ATLANTA……………….. 14,228…….……………….. 12,261………………. -13.82 CHICAGO…..…………….. 9,268……………………….. 8,686………………. -6.28 HOUSTON……………..………… 0………………………. 4,911………………. +0.00 NEW YORK (JFK)……… 34,284…………………….. 37,708………..……. +9.9872 NEW YORK (NEWARK). 8,874………………………. 8,511………………. -4.091 PHILADELPHIA………… 10,792……………………… 10,325……..………. -4.327 HEATHROW……………. 60,867……………………… 54,180……………… -10.99 CAA statistics for September are provisional. Manchester Statistics - September 2017 (Part 5) Comparison of top 25 destinations - September 2007 versus September 2017 Foreign airport...........................September-07...........September-17 PALMA.............................................. 114,582...................... 111,917 HEATHROW....................................... 80,047........................ 54,180 MALAGA............................................ 72,404........................ 78,347 DALAMAN.......................................... 69,108........................ 48,755 ALICANTE........................................... 68,506........................ 99,789 FARO.................................................. 65,083........................ 66,420 DUBLIN............................................... 55,441........................ 75,047 TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 53,553......................... 77,930 SANFORD.......................................... 47,954.......................... 7,073 AMSTERDAM.................................... 44,824.......................... 85,337 PAPHOS............................................. 44,034......................... 37,024 PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 42,838......................... 52,143 LARNACA........................................... 41,748......................... 23,153 DUBAI................................................ 41,653......................... 84,634 IBIZA.................................................. 41,442......................... 48,949 HERAKLION........................................ 35,361......................... 33,139 GATWICK........................................... 33,165.......................... 0 RHODES............................................. 31,299.......................... 26,670 MAHON............................................. 30,668.......................... 33,700 ARRECIFE........................................... 29,892.......................... 44,695 FRANKFURT....................................... 29,402.......................... 37,891 ZAKINTHOS........................................ 29,036.......................... 23,354 BODRUM........................................... 28,836.......................... 10,996 CORFU............................................... 27,802.......................... 30,072 MALTA............................................... 27,676.......................... 21,283 CAA are statistics for September are provisional. |
The boarding from remote stands had been planned in for a long time, they wouldn't have gone to the expense of building the new bussing lounge of they didn't want it to be used.
MAN won't want to rest on their laurels getting the slots filled. The redevelopment has to pay off, that isn't going to happen if you turn airlines away due to the build. As said, the terminal should be ok, it's just adding back in what was taken away, not over subscribing the stands they have. |
Passenger experience counts for a lot in my book, it's the main reason MAN T3 is my most hated departure point in the UK by a loong way. MON's departure allows some degree of breathing space to get the T2 development moving whilst trying to cram less into T2. Watching the arriving SQ A359 a few weeks back sit parked up for just under and hour and still be beaten to stand by company going the other way and a half hour behind them suggests summer peak will be tougher than ever in terms of stand capacity.
So MAN will likely take a revenue hit in the short to medium term without MON's based fleet, but from a customer experience standpoint it's a win-win. |
Skip,it's reported elsewhere that some improvements are planned for inside T3 which should improve passenger experience.
As regards the absence of MON from T2, are you assuming that few of the MON slots will be taken up, or if extra based a/c are required to utilise some of the slots they can be accommodated by the carriers in T1 or T3? There has been discussion on the capacity issue previously that if, say, 4 more based a/c (compared to the 9 MON based) were needed by T1 airlines, whether it would require an airline moving all or at least part of its operation to T2. I agree that unless MON's 9 based a/c are replaced by 9 others, the net impact would be less based a/c so in theory less congestion at peak periods and a better passenger experience. However, even this doesn't take into account natural growth that was planned anyway. I understand easyjet and Jet2 were both planning an extra based a/c - unless that had changed. |
The T1 airlines may agree to bussing in order to stay and expand in T1. Jet2 had a number of remote stands over by T2 this year. As did Ezy in the summer peak.
There’s an argument that Jet2 could be the ideal airline to move. They use very few contact stands at T1 so being in T2 for check in and arriving pax wouldn’t mean much of a change to the stand plan. |
For me, the best airline to move to T2 would be Thomas Cook.
They have about 16-17 aircraft based at MAN, but up to 8 of those are either long haul (thus not taking up overnight stands) or they are aircraft either arriving late or departing early, thus not taking up much stand time either. This means that they roughly match what Monarch had overnighting at MAN and thus less requirement for any split ops scenario. They are probably going to move over to T2 eventually anyway to avail a possible USPBC, coupled with the fact the 'satellite' at the end of C-pier is likely to be the first part of T1 to be demolished anyway, it seems the best fit. |
Originally Posted by gojmc
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The T1 airlines may agree to bussing in order to stay and expand in T1. Jet2 had a number of remote stands over by T2 this year. As did Ezy in the summer peak.
There’s an argument that Jet2 could be the ideal airline to move. They use very few contact stands at T1 so being in T2 for check in and arriving pax wouldn’t mean much of a change to the stand plan. |
T3 improvements started:
2 more security lanes being constructed. 2 shops closed and converted to seating areas. Better single to be added. |
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
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For me, the best airline to move to T2 would be Thomas Cook.
They are probably going to move over to T2 eventually anyway to avail a possible USPBC, coupled with the fact the 'satellite' at the end of C-pier is likely to be the first part of T1 to be demolished anyway, it seems the best fit. |
American
AA continue to cut back, ORD will now run just June-Sept next summer! Still on the 787 but surely this ones on its last legs now.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see split terminal operations in s18 for at least 1 carrier.
It won't be popular but when you look at the capacity created in T2 by Monarch's demise & compare it to the size of the other operations there is no obvious like for like replacement. |
AA continue to cut back, ORD will now run just June-Sept next summer! Still on the 787 but surely this ones on its last legs now. |
AA are the architects of their own downfall at MAN -no sympathy or care for them whatsoever. Pitiful performance, out of date product (the 787 is too late) and now a summer only service - this is going only one way.
They should hardly be surprised when competitors exploit their complacency - that's business. I used to be OneWorld Gold, now I don't even have a OneWorld card. Perfect time for United to step onto MAN-ORD? |
When AA insist on using a clapped out B757 to ORD in the winter that requires a fuel stop at Bangor, Maine, they can't be surprised that the route then struggles pax wise too.
Was speaking to the ORD captain the other day, he said he was embarrassed that AA continue to do this. |
Speaking to people in the know it's not just AA who are trying to kill the ORD route
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Very cryptic!
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