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azz767 9th Apr 2018 11:30

More increases on the ICE of late, 767 3 of the last 4 days and due again Friday. Could we get to a stage of either 767 daily or a second service some days with maybe the new 737 on the busier days?

LAX_LHR 9th Apr 2018 11:38

The B767 was planned for most of April, approximately 4 days a week.

April is the last month of higher winter demand, the service then drops to 5 weekly next month.

Winter to KEF has gone crazy, to think Easyjet offer 9 weekly (and most flights going full), Icelandair daily with some B753 and B763 usage, as well as 2 weekly TUI and now next winter seeing ad hoc charters to Auekeri, I was sceptical the market could support that capacity but each carrier appears to be holding its own.

Betablockeruk 9th Apr 2018 11:57

Relative just done DEN-KEF-MAN and quite happy with service, duration and price. Certainly an option for west coast US if MAN doesn't do non-stop.

Mr A Tis 9th Apr 2018 12:39

Canada is a bit thin with just Transat YYZ/YVR & Rouge is very limited seasonal to YYZ & this year appears quiet pricey. I can see many people using Icelandair as a one stop to Montreal or Halifax. Some attractive stop over deals in Iceland too. Not surprised ICE are doing well.

Dobbo_Dobbo 9th Apr 2018 14:24


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10112069)
Canada is a bit thin with just Transat YYZ/YVR & Rouge is very limited seasonal to YYZ & this year appears quiet pricey. I can see many people using Icelandair as a one stop to Montreal or Halifax. Some attractive stop over deals in Iceland too. Not surprised ICE are doing well.

It's pleasing to see TS increase capacity over the winter months to YYZ but the extreme seasonal fluctuations remain a challenge. As you say, rouge (and by extension AC) appear largely disinterested in growing at MAN and (whether that is justified or not) this opens the door to a number of one stop options.

LAX_LHR 9th Apr 2018 15:23

The extra ATL and JFK flights this winter are utilising the B744 fleet.

The new Wed JFK and Thu ATL are showing as B744 operated.

Flightrider 9th Apr 2018 16:13

I thought the whole MAN operation this coming winter is to be 747 flown?

Dobbo_Dobbo 9th Apr 2018 23:13


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 10112277)
I thought the whole MAN operation this coming winter is to be 747 flown?

There are certainly A333s in the mix - quite what the fleet allocation is I'm not sure.

LAX_LHR 10th Apr 2018 12:43


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10084989)
Vueling have increased BCN-MAN to 8 weekly for August and 1st week of Sept:

VY8748 BCN 1210 MAN 1345
VY8749 MAN 1425 BCN 1745
Daily

VY8758 BCN 1820 MAN 1955
VY8759 MAN 2040 BCN 2359
Mondayís

Confirmed and bookable.

Just to re-visit this, This increase now actually takes place from 23rd April for the summer season.

LAX_LHR 11th Apr 2018 09:50

Media reporting MAN pax figure was up just under 4% for March.

Dobbo_Dobbo 11th Apr 2018 09:58


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10114261)
Media reporting MAN pax figure was up just over 4% for March.

Further to this:


Passengers

Rolling 12 month: 27,882,845
March 2018 total: 1,988,233
YoY change: +3.7%


Cargo

March 2018 total: 9,443 tonnes
YoY change: -4.9%

Scottie Dog 11th Apr 2018 11:01


Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo (Post 10114273)
Further to this:


Passengers

Rolling 12 month: 27,882,845
March 2018 total: 1,988,233
YoY change: +3.7%


Cargo

March 2018 total: 9,443 tonnes
YoY change: -4.9%

Excellent figures, even allowing for Easter being early this year.

chaps1954 11th Apr 2018 11:39

Also mustn`t forget with cargo we have to take Lufthansa out of equation which won`t
clear until September

LAX_LHR 11th Apr 2018 11:55

I think the figure is incredibly positive.

When you consider we are effectively going to be ‘chasing our tail’ until October when the Monarch seats are then taken out of the equation, MAN is doing very well. The collapse of XL hit MAN quite hard for a year or 2, but the Monarch one doesn’t seem to have done nearly the same damage really. Yes, growth is less, but growth is growth.

Logohu 11th Apr 2018 13:03

Earlier Easter Will have helped March, but still pretty good set of stats.

MANFOD 11th Apr 2018 13:11

I agree. It's a very decent result with pax up 3.7%.

The impact of an earlier Easter is difficult to judge although it presumably will have boosted outbound MAN originating pax. Those returning pax will count in April. I tend to look at March & April combined when the timing of Easter partially falls in different months from one year to the next.

In the press release, it's encouraging that the CEO seems confident we'll see growth in pax numbers this year, bearing in mind the start of summer ACL report was a very marginal increase in seats. Of course, Oct-Dec won't be adversely affected by MON's demise which should make for a positive impact as the immediate response by other carriers in 2017 was very limited, especially if we see some new routes next winter.

It's also a good point about the impact of the loss of MON compared to XL. The latter was a blow from which it took longer to recover, but the timing in 2008 was at the height of the financial crisis as I recall.

LAX_LHR 12th Apr 2018 13:02

Just had a look at the Easyjet schedules for early winter.

Clearly a work in progress as the schedules seem to be all over the place at the moment, from random increases such as CDG having 11 weekly flights some weeks and PRG going 9weekly, to Bilbao and Gibraltar only having 2 flights a week despite it being higher other winters. (GIB is the particular stand out as would have thought more capacity was required, not less).

Based aircraft wise, Sunday shows 13 based, but then Tuesday’s only 9 based.

Therefore, think it’s safe to say we will need to wait a little longer before any major analysis is done.

MKY661 12th Apr 2018 13:58


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10115775)
Bilbao and Gibraltar only having 2 flights a week despite it being higher other winters. (GIB is the particular stand out as would have thought more capacity was required, not less).

GIB also ran 2pw this Winter and have actually reduced capacity slightly for S18, but hopefully frequency will increase

MANFOD 12th Apr 2018 14:06


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10115775)
Just had a look at the Easyjet schedules for early winter.

Clearly a work in progress as the schedules seem to be all over the place at the moment, from random increases such as CDG having 11 weekly flights some weeks and PRG going 9weekly, to Bilbao and Gibraltar only having 2 flights a week despite it being higher other winters. (GIB is the particular stand out as would have thought more capacity was required, not less).

Based aircraft wise, Sunday shows 13 based, but then Tuesdayís only 9 based.

Therefore, think itís safe to say we will need to wait a little longer before any major analysis is done.

Yes I had a look at a few destinations for dates in November and noted CDG on the 1 hand and Bilbao on the other. BFS seemed to have 25 flights in the week I checked. Don't recall it being that high previously but could be wrong.

FFMAN 17th Apr 2018 06:55

What do other FFs think of the 1903 Lounge at T3 now that it looks like AF/KL have moved out of the dire 'Aspire' (sic) Lounge? Personally it's a thumbs up from me.
I'm impressed as it's a little smaller, more personal with great service and IMO more like what a business lounge should be.

The trouble with 'Aspire' (and the one at T1 is even worse, which someone I know calls the 'Despair Lounge') is that they have encouraged a certain type of passenger to pay for entry. That means it attracts those that do a quick cost benefit analysis on the cost of the entry fee versus the 'benefit' from the amount of alcohol they can throw down their necks in the time available. Therefore the more they drink the better value it is in their minds. Incentivizing alcohol consumption is not a good idea at an airport.


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