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righthandrule 23rd Dec 2011 17:31

Indeed, G-GDFF is currently in Norwich having delivery maintenance, cabin upgrade and re-paint. It is currently not planned to have winglets added but this is good old Jet2, anything could happen.

It's currently due into LBA on the 4th Jan - as mentioned this beauty will be the baby of the fleet!

EI-EIDW 23rd Dec 2011 17:42

What Aircraft are Jet2 going to use on Dublin-Chambery which starts tomorrow. Was a B733 last winter which was NCL based but this year its operating at the same time arrive DUB 12.30 and depart 13.30 but not being operated from NCL, MAN, LBA or EDI (going by the timetable on website)

righthandrule 23rd Dec 2011 17:55

I think it's a Possibly the LGW based 737-300. Current G-CELK. It may be a BFS based 737 though.

jet2impress 24th Dec 2011 11:46

Looks like G-CELZ on a W-pattern through CMF from EDI.

retrosgone 24th Dec 2011 13:34

The Dublin Chambery Charters have been operated for the last 3 or so winters by EDI based 737-300 QCs. This winter is the same, with a crew operating EDI - CMF - DUB, then positioning home. A second crew takes over the aircraft in DUB and completes the W pattern home to EDI.

j636 25th Dec 2011 14:26

Some winter 2012/13 on sale with Jet2.

HH6702 25th Dec 2011 19:59

Winter 2012/13
What routes are on sale ?

LBIA 26th Dec 2011 10:45

Quoting HH6702:

What routes are on sale ?
Jet2 have the following routes now on sale for next winter 2012/13 season.


Fernanjet 28th Dec 2011 14:26

Strategic airbus
Is it true that Jet2 have a strategic A320 based in Manchester next Summer??

richardnei 28th Dec 2011 15:37

They used a Strategic Airlines A320 in MAN this summer past as a back-up aircraft over the peak period. So could be doing the same next year aswell.

There is to be a B757 at MAN and a B733 at LBA on full-time standby next summer so this could be for additional ad-hoc cover.

Remember G-LSAK is leased to RAK Airways until the end of June. So they will be down an aircraft until then aswell.

righthandrule 28th Dec 2011 16:04

It is back for next summer. It is being sold as a 737-800 on the website and will be rotated on 737-800 routes at MAN. The logic behind this is to have a 757 spare at all times as last year the A320 could not cover the 757 as a standby due to the capacity difference.

LBA will have a 737-300 standby for the majority of the week (some peak times will see all aircraft in operation), the same goes for MAN with the 757.

Fingers crossed this will mean OTP is dramatically increased compared to last year. It took a lot, but the big boss has finally been convinced to splash out on standby aircraft.

DjerbaDevil 3rd Jan 2012 11:47

There's rumour about that JET2 have acquired two more B738s from Air Europe. Any confirmations?

LBIA 3rd Jan 2012 12:52

Jet2 summer 2012 aircraft fleet and bases will be as follows.

12x B757-200's
15x B737-300s
8x B737-300QCs
1x B737-300F
5x B737-800s
1x A320-200 (Leased from Strategic Airlines)

And here is how the basing works out.
LBA = 8x B733 & 3x B752
MAN = 2x B733, 3x B738, 1x A320 & 4x B752
NCL = 4x B733 & 2x B752
EDI = 4x B733
GLA = 2x B738 & 1x B752
EMA = 1x B733 & 2x B752
BFS = 2x B733
BLK = 2x B733
EXT = 1x B733

Aircraft still to be aquired are
1x B737-300 & 2x B737-800's

commit aviation 3rd Jan 2012 13:39

Interesting to see that MAN is now larger than LBA in seat capacity terms, albeit that LBA has more aircraft / routes.
Such a shame that Leeds' "own" airline is struggling to find growth opportunities there but I guess a combination of economic circumstances & the base having matured make it increasingly tricky.

LBIA 3rd Jan 2012 14:04

commit aviation I don't think that's true! As the Jet2 aircraft utilisation out off Leeds is alot higher compared to the Manchester fleet.

You've got to remember that one of the Manchester based B757-200 will be sat around doing nothing for most off the week. Where as the Leeds fleet is needed in service almost everyday even though one of its based B737-300's is meant to be a standby aircraft.

JSCL 3rd Jan 2012 15:11

But the plus argument also is that clearly, despite overall seat capacity at both airports, Jet2 are able to fill more seats out of MAN than LBA. If there's less routes and based A/C but more seats available - that's the big factor to look at. If you looked at routes vs A/C - MAN would be on a winner hands-down.

Clearly LBA can only be managing the ~148 seats on a flight when MAN can be achieving ~180 and even up to ~220 filled seats per flight more often. Number of routes and based A/C doesn't mean all that much, honestly, MAN is a more competitive field than LBA is which would be a good reason for less routes meaning less based A/C.

AndyH52 3rd Jan 2012 16:38

Sorry Delta154 but if the capacity isn't actually included in the scheduled flying programme then I'm not sure it's relevant. When Jet2 starts flying more pax each week out of MAN than LBA then you can start saying it's Manchester operation is bigger...

righthandrule 3rd Jan 2012 18:15

Lets just clear a few things up. Yes LBA's fleet is 8 x 733 and 3 x 752 whilst MAN's is 2 x 733, 3 x 738 & 4 x 752 but overall the bases are very similar. Just because MAN has a higher proportion of 'larger' aircraft does not mean that it is a bigger or better base.

Clearly LBA can only be managing the ~148 seats on a flight when MAN can be achieving ~180 and even up to ~220 filled seats per flight more often.
In fact generally it is the opposite, due to the high competition at Manchester Jet2 have opted to not be bigger but better on their routes. Compared to some bases, routes operate on a relatively low frequency but on larger aircraft. Other bases see higher frequency with smaller aircraft. LBA has the output of a morning 757 departure and afternoon 733 departure to the likes of AGP, ALC, PMI etc whilst MAN can only profitably sustain a single daily 737/757 flight. There are obviously exceptions such as FCO/PRG/BUD that have higher frequencies & bigger aircraft operating than at LBA but generally Jet2 have a lot more longer, thin routes from MAN which reduces what can be done with the aircraft.

LBA has a lot more 6 sector day aircraft, all aircraft operate a minimum of 4 sectors each day apart from tuesdays & wednesdays when the 757's only operate 2 sectors. Compare this to Manchester, where at least one 757 operates only 2 sectors on each day of the week. (Obviously longer sectors i.e. TLV) During summer the last departure from Manchester is around 16.00 however from LBA it is up to 19.10 - accounting for the nature of the routes per base.

Passenger wise, LBA carries more passengers and has around 5/6 more flights per day than MAN but has a lower load factor due to the larger amount of city routes which have lower passenger numbers. As an operation, LBA is significantly larger still. Yes, MAN generally has bigger based aircraft than LBA but there are very little economies of scale. Each aircraft still needs the same number of tugs, steps, dispatchers, passenger agents, fuelers, ramp staff etc etc. So as an operation, LBA is still bigger than Manchester.

I personally do not think it is fair to say Leeds's own airline is struggling to find growth opportunities! I would say new routes to Berlin, Budapest & Gran Canaria along with Funchal & Bodrum last year is significant growth still. LBA has seen AMS & BFS routes cut from 12 to 9 weekly departures but this has been absorbed with frequency increases and timetable changes on other routes. There is little room for growth at LBA until the dire infrastructure is finally improved and finished so 2013 may be an interesting year. However the Jet2 product at LBA & MAN has reached an optimum, there is a very limited number of profitable new routes that can be added to these bases.

At the end of the day, I don't see why there is all the childish bickering between LBA & MAN, they serve different markets and compliment each other excellently. Now that Ryanair have descended on MAN, LBA will always be Jet2's. This is replicated with all airlines, their largest bases are often where their HQ is. Within the company it is well known that most routes from LBA perform stronger than MAN ones as LBA has a very diverse, financially rich local catchment area and has a higher concentration of extremely high yielding routes supported by business traffic. Manchesters route matrix consists of more leisure routes which are supported by Jet2Holidays which has a considerably lower profit margin on the flight part of the package. At the end of the day, who really cares which base is bigger or better? The Manchester guys, you really don't need to big yourselves up, we all know you have a much bigger and better airport all round - no need to get cocky! :ok:

AndyH52 3rd Jan 2012 18:27

Glad you agree I've proved my point then...

Yes, the spare aircraft should be regarded in the same way...but at the end of the day capacity is a combination of seats available in the based aircraft multiplied by the number of flights those aircraft operate.

Yes I may pick up on technicalities sometimes, but the devil, as they say, is often in the detail rather than the misleading headlines...

BasilFawlty 3rd Jan 2012 19:39

Will Exeter remain a 733QC or is the 733F coming back next season?

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