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JB007 9th Mar 2016 13:16

For the spotters/Jet2_738:
 
G-POWH will be in LBA from 19th March! Jet2 seating, 216 config, until late October!

Big Tudor 9th Mar 2016 15:04


Originally Posted by JB007 (Post 9305014)
G-POWH will be in LBA from 19th March! Jet2 seating, 216 config, until late October!

Will you be accompanying it JB007?

111KAB 13th Mar 2016 08:49

Jet2 PMI
 
Don't frequent the Jet2 thread that often so apologies if Mallorca news (from our local paper) is not news!


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2...psznnwh0kq.jpg

chaders 13th Mar 2016 09:08

Well that is news. If accurate it comes as some surprise.

EK77WNCL 23rd Mar 2016 18:01

Something has just dawned upon me, after seeing this accidental mockup of a Jet2 737 900, Jet2 to lease Titan Airways's first A321 this summer - ch-aviation.com I wondered, why haven't they ordered any? It would seem like a good fit as a 757 replacement with 733 (glass cockpit) and 738 commonality.

pug 23rd Mar 2016 19:13

Because they aren't retiring the 757 fleet for a good few years??

HOODED 24th Mar 2016 09:49


Originally Posted by pug (Post 9320475)
Because they aren't retiring the 757 fleet for a good few years??

Whilst the 757 aren't due for retirement, the 739 is not a good seller. It is a compromised design and suffers from poor runway performance and higher risk of tailstrike. The A321 is outselling it by a margin. If they go that route and decide to replace the 757 they would probably be better with a small sub fleet of A321 operationally, despite the additional training/spares comonallity costs. Just my opinion though.

pug 24th Mar 2016 10:50

No idea what the 752 replacement would be when it comes to it, but for the time being it seems that the 738 is the way forward. Makes sense to have the one type I think, perhaps not so good for the lower density city routes but certainly a good fit for the bulk of their business these days.

Jet2_738 24th Mar 2016 11:15

The replacement of the 757 will always be a tricky one. Despite its age, nothing we have yet outperforms in terms of range in its class. Inevitably, when they do retire, the question is, will Jet2 even seek for a replacement for it? From what I can see, 30 -800 orders suggests that the future plan is to start standardising (and modernising) the fleet, which of course can reduce costs. The 737-800 suits the vast majority of Jet2's ops, albeit excluding the winter breaks to New York - which are just ad-hoc and not solid destinations.

However, should a decision come to replacing the 757s with something other than the 738, The viable options I see are go smaller; 739 or the a321, or go bigger; the 767.

The argument for the 767 is that they're still in production, share a common TR with the 757, have a vast network of spares, and are able to cover the ad-hocs like EWR in the winter, whilst during the summer, could easily serve full-load factors of bucket and spades to the likes of PMI, ALC or TFS. Should they decide to expand this way, I'd imagine an order of around 2-4, to make up a small sub fleet on the side (most likely based out of MAN).

When it comes down to the 739 vs the a321, in terms of performance they are very similar. Take a look here: http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/231-270/Airbus-A321-vs-Boeing-737-900ER

Now we all know LS negotiated significant discounts off the list prices for their NG order. The fact the 739, at list price is $28,700,000 cheaper than the airbus, suggests to me that the 739 is more likely, and given the substantial order with Boeing already, the company is a lot more likely to obtain significant discounts off the list price, than it would be with Airbus. Going this way would also maintain fleet commonality, which is of course very important in terms of keeping costs low.

Personally, I think that they'll just expand, standardising the fleet with the -800. I am certainly not ruling out the possibility of the a321, but think rather that the 739 is more likely. The 767, not so likely, but I think it would be a perfect fit into the LS ops, opening the possibility of more far flung Jet2holidays destinations in the future. :ok:

LBIA 24th Mar 2016 11:42

Wonder if Jet2 might now be forced into either axing or improving its schedules to better suite business passenger needs on it's marginal year round operated city routes from LBA to AMS, CDG and DUS now it has some serious competition down road at DSA on all 3 routes by flybe?

HOODED 24th Mar 2016 11:43


Originally Posted by Jet2_738 (Post 9321228)
The replacement of the 757 will always be a tricky one. Despite its age, nothing we have yet outperforms in terms of range in its class. Inevitably, when they do retire, the question is, will Jet2 even seek for a replacement for it? From what I can see, 30 -800 orders suggests that the future plan is to start standardising (and modernising) the fleet, which of course can reduce costs. The 737-800 suits the vast majority of Jet2's ops, albeit excluding the winter breaks to New York - which are just ad-hoc and not solid destinations.

However, should a decision come to replacing the 757s with something other than the 738, The viable options I see are go smaller; 739 or the a321, or go bigger; the 767.

The argument for the 767 is that they're still in production, share a common TR with the 757, have a vast network of spares, and are able to cover the ad-hocs like EWR in the winter, whilst during the summer, could easily serve full-load factors of bucket and spades to the likes of PMI, ALC or TFS. Should they decide to expand this way, I'd imagine an order of around 2-4, to make up a small sub fleet on the side (most likely based out of MAN).

When it comes down to the 739 vs the a321, in terms of performance they are very similar. Take a look here: http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/231-270/Airbus-A321-vs-Boeing-737-900ER

Now we all know LS negotiated significant discounts off the list prices for their NG order. The fact the 739, at list price is $28,700,000 cheaper than the airbus, suggests to me that the 739 is more likely, and given the substantial order with Boeing already, the company is a lot more likely to obtain significant discounts off the list price, than it would be with Airbus. Going this way would also maintain fleet commonality, which is of course very important in terms of keeping costs low.

Personally, I think that they'll just expand, standardising the fleet with the -800. I am certainly not ruling out the possibility of the a321, but think rather that the 739 is more likely. The 767, not so likely, but I think it would be a perfect fit into the LS ops, opening the possibility of more far flung Jet2holidays destinations in the future. :ok:

Several good points here. I agree standardisation on the 738 is the most likely route. The 767 however would work as a 757 replacement as you point out. There are plenty out there and if they can pick up some decent second hand ones now the 787 is replacing them in numbers it could be a good cheap option. They could still do the Winter New York and maybe use them to Florida and other high density long haul holiday destinations if they decide to take the risk.Of course the A321NEOLR would work too but far too expensive and a long lead time makes thus a non starter IMO.

GLAinsider 24th Mar 2016 20:16


Originally Posted by 111KAB (Post 9308924)
Don't frequent the Jet2 thread that often so apologies if Mallorca news (from our local paper) is not news!


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2...psznnwh0kq.jpg

I have been saying for years that the idle fleet in the Winter should be used on foreign routes serving countries where holidays are traditionally taken in the Winter. Would like to see something similar announced into the Canaries stations by W17 (if not for W16).

tonker 25th Mar 2016 03:35

The winter should be kept at 2 flights per month. Anything else is crazy talk and should attract overtime Payments.

EK77WNCL 25th Mar 2016 23:13

Why not 737(7)-738-739 and 767? Common short/medium haul backbone to cover everything from lower end like NCL-KRK, LBA-DUS etc. with the -700's, top end UK-Balearics, Canaries, Spain with the -900's and everything else inbetween and alongside with the -800's.

The 767's could cover everything from summer PMI/ALC/TFS shuttles, EWR charters and long haul jet2holidays

dazwalsh 26th Mar 2016 10:56

Does anyone know what metal is penciled in for the april 18th LS251 LBA-FAO?

And apoligies to any other passenger onboard that day, Im 1/24th of a stag do.

DjerbaDevil 26th Mar 2016 16:00

At present it looks like a B737-300.

SWBKCB 26th Mar 2016 18:43


And apoligies to any other passenger onboard that day, Im 1/24th of a stag do.
or you and your mates could just not act like prats, then there would be no need to apologize?

Council Van 26th Mar 2016 19:26

If he behaves then he will not have to apologise.

Do not behave and you will get no appologie if you are refused travel.

skyhawk1 26th Mar 2016 21:06

why have ncl/tfs and lpa stopped at FAO. fuel stop or what

Council Van 26th Mar 2016 21:36

Probably, jet stream is very strong from the south today.
Jetstream Forecast - Jetstream Map Updated Four Times Daily - Netweather.tv

Got to feel for the crew, will be back at stupid o'clock in the morning. A rude welcome to the start of the second wave season.


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