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mockingjay 23rd Mar 2015 11:19

I wrote to my MP recently on another travel related issue and I found the whole experience to be very positive. The local MP got me the information Ineeded and in good time.

With EU261 one however, I won't be writing to anyone about it. I feel if airlines have spent millions battling this through a court of law then what can I do? I'm just one little person writing to my MP.

111KAB 23rd Mar 2015 11:53

mockingjay
 
mockingjay - you will probably find your MP not too bothered about 261 (particularly at the moment!) as it really isn't a vote winner however your MEP may be a little more interested as it stems, after all, from the EU.


The airlines (Jet2 in particular hence on this thread) have put a lot of effort into defeating UK claims via local, county, high, appeal and supreme court action however they (like many others) have put little or no effort, into tackling the law at source. Indeed if it were not for the Gibraltar EU fiasco the law would probably be made even tighter.


In 2012 my MEP knew nothing about 261 - he actually departed in the last election and I then had to 'brief' the new MEP - unfortunately whilst she has contacts on the Transportation Committee she is not on same so my route of communication is diminished.


The airlines have generally relied upon the CAA/NEB representing their wishes however as can be seen with regard to press releases over the weekend/today the CAA appear to be giving into public pressure.

handler 23rd Mar 2015 12:57

Full year 2014 Source CAA

Comparison of the largest operators.

Top 20 by number of flights operated, Arrival OTP

BRITISH AIRWAYS 74.25
EASYJET AIRLINE 78.28
RYANAIR 78.78
FLYBE 85.37
THOMSON AIRWAYS 73.87
BA CITYFLYER LTD 88.67
MONARCH AIRLINES 78.29
VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS 80.21
AER LINGUS 81.33
LUFTHANSA 78.63
NORWEGIAN AIR SHUTTLE 79.02
CITY JET 87.53
JET2.COM 74.49
THOMAS COOK AIRLINES 79.83
WIZZ AIR 86.63
LOGANAIR 82.77
SAS 80.17
SWISS AIRLINES 80.69
GERMANWINGS 79.72
KLM 86.35

Top 20 by number of flights operated, Departure OTP

BRITISH AIRWAYS 77.1
EASYJET AIRLINE 78.5
RYANAIR 79.5
FLYBE 78.7
THOMSON AIRWAYS 73.9
BA CITYFLYER 88.3
MONARCH AIRLINES 71.7
VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS 84.1
AER LINGUS 85.5
LUFTHANSA 81.5
NORWEGIAN AIR SHUTTLE 80.0
JET2.COM 82.0
CITY JET 86.7
THOMAS COOK AIRLINES 74.2
WIZZ AIR 64.4
LOGANAIR 82.5
SAS 88.8
SWISS AIRLINES 79.8
GERMANWINGS 78.9
KLM 87.2

When compared to 2013 figures, Jet2 OTP has improved by 7% on arrival and 10% on departure

BasilBush 23rd Mar 2015 13:41

MANFOD

It wasn't me that posted ACL data, but like you I recall reading about it on this site somewhere. And the % increase for STN was quite a bit higher than for MAN, so the gap between the two airports will continue to close.

Maybe this discussion is better on the STN or MAN threads...

Meanwhile here is the link to ACL http://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File/STN_S15_SOS.pdf

Seats up c9% on last summer

MANFOD 23rd Mar 2015 15:28


It wasn't me that posted ACL data, but like you I recall reading about it on this site somewhere. And the % increase for STN was quite a bit higher than for MAN, so the gap between the two airports will continue to close.

Maybe this discussion is better on the STN or MAN threads...
Thanks Basil. I realise we were a bit off topic but appreciate the link.
I'll post something on the MAN thread.

2Planks 24th Mar 2015 14:03

Given that Jet2 is run by a team of professional businessmen (lets face it these days you have to a ruthless streak to compete) I am not surprised they challenged EU261 as it appears to have more (loop)holes than the proverbial Swiss Flight Safety Cheese. That said, after the number of times it has been tested in the courts, the writing is more than on the wall and for the sake of reputation it is probably time to shut up and pay up.


As for the compensation culture - some aircrew have been getting very tendentious about 261. I can only assume that they have never claimed for a mis-sold endowment or a mis-sold PPI and would never claim from the NHS if one of their family was a victim of medical negligence. 261 was set up to protect customers from rapacious companies, I have yet to hear from anyone complaining about the savings people have made on mobile calls abroad thanks to EU mandates. Thanks to 261 we now have a better service as companies have been forced to put in mitigation plans - Jet2 being a prime example.


However, I think 261 is ripe for review. It was drafted before the locost boom and its compensation levels can be ridiculous. I think the model of the Directive on ferry delays (1177) is much better (and clearer). Compensation here is based on a percentage of the ticket price (and that % rises with the length of the delay); food, accom and comms also have to be provided. On the other hand I would like to see more protection for the customer to prevent cancellations or provide reasonable compensation when flights are cancelled due to 'operational reasons' (ie they are running at a loss). Currently an airline can hold your money for over a year and then cancel the flight with 2 weeks and a day to go and you only get your money back. In one instance a Leeds based carrier cancelled my return leg with 2 weeks and 2 days to go (so a week and 2 days before the outbound) so I had to incur a number of costs to ensure the other elements of my holiday were not lost - a highly cynical move on their part. Again the market has moved on since the early noughties as many more book elements of their independently so IMHO compensation should be mandated.

BasilFawlty 24th Mar 2015 19:39

Anyone with a full list of how many aircraft each base will have this summer?

anothertyke 25th Mar 2015 14:50

2 Planks-- but surely a claims based approach would be extremely bureaucratic. The circumstances of 200 people on a plane delayed by eight hours or cancelled would all be different.

I have been on trains delayed by an hour, got my fare back and felt quids in. I've been on trains delayed five hours, got my fare back and felt undercompensated. It sounds to me like a simple formula system with an element of rough justice would be more practicable. Beyond that it should be up to the individual to take out the right kind of travel insurance to cover them against risks.

2Planks 25th Mar 2015 20:07

Fair point, and a tad more admin perhaps - but as every claim has to be verified anyway - it would only be a couple of extra button pushes before the money is sent. If P&O can manage it with a ferry with 1200 people on (my only experience with 1177) I'm sure an airline can.

El Bunto 26th Mar 2015 07:28


I think the model of the Directive on ferry delays (1177) is much better (and clearer). Compensation here is based on a percentage of the ticket price (and that % rises with the length of the delay); food, accom and comms also have to be provided.
EU261 does have a proportional-rebate clause for involuntary downgrades.

I believe it wasn't adopted for the delay / cancellation conditions because it would tempt airlines into favouring one group of passengers over another ( e.g. if the business-class-fares London City flight went tech, dump the tourists off the cheap-fares Ibiza aircraft and use it instead. ).

castleford tiger 28th Mar 2015 09:26

APOLOGISE.
I thought 400 hours was a limit imposed on flying hours.


tiger

Station_Calling 28th Mar 2015 18:15

Tiger...
 
900 flying hours in a rolling year. Up to 100 in any month. This is different to duty hours, which are much greater.

SC.

rudolf 28th Mar 2015 18:23

NO apology needed CT, you invest in the company that provides my livelihood. Things aren't perfect but then I don't think there are any jobs available at Utopia Airlines; the most important thing is that we generally look after our customers despite what some may say with regards to the very badly written piece of EU legislation that is EU 261.

GLAinsider 29th Mar 2015 21:28

It is true that the Jet2holidays livery is unpopular with many "purists" (myself included), however, like it or not, Jet2holidays PAX are now the bread and butter of the airline and it is totally understandable that the company want to push that side of the business.

Even I have to admit that when you see several EXS aircraft lined up side by side on remote stands in Jet2holidays livery they do stand out, making a great advert for "Holidays" and with much more impact than they would for Jet2.com in red and silver!

Jet2_738 30th Mar 2015 07:40

I agree also that when lined up on remote stands, the LSholidays livery is very effective, especially given that a large chunk of the business is now based around that area. Still, its nice to see that they are still painting them in the original red/silver livery. :ok:

SWBKCB 30th Mar 2015 08:20


original red/silver livery
Only it's not the original red/silver livery, it's the current one.

Anyway, enough colour scheme talk.

paully 30th Mar 2015 08:42

Jet2 now appear to be following the Thomson business plan. That is using their own flights, primarily, to fill their`s and other operators package holidays.The seat onlys that are left, are sold at rather higher prices, albeit not as eyewatering as Thomsons.But if it works and keeps many people in jobs then fine.

El Bunto 5th Apr 2015 09:09

Any word of G-CELW? Poddled from Belfast to Leeds on Thursday at low altitude after a couple of days AOG.

BasilFawlty 5th Apr 2015 13:24

Sounds like a pressurization problem.

pug 6th Apr 2015 10:05

positioning for repair I believe..


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