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paul atkins 4th Jun 2014 19:44

Cargolux
 
They only operate when Rolls Royce have Trent 1000 ready to fly to Seattle next one due 7/6 and one due 14/6 cheers

Balair 4th Jun 2014 19:56

There's actually one through this evening, going out to LAX!

Balair

paul atkins 4th Jun 2014 20:24

Cargolux
 
Yes correct there was one last Saturday ,one tonight and the other dates quoted .The Trent engine arrived earlier this afternoon

Balair 4th Jun 2014 20:27

Thanks for the info Paul

Balair

paul atkins 5th Jun 2014 09:22

No problem Balair ,current flight routing is LA to Seattle mate

andyy 5th Jun 2014 09:32

Must admit I am not a fan of EMA and I live one mile from the airport! No problem at all with arrivals - its quick and easy (but a bit scruffy, but then I don't hand around there) but departures is/ was a nightmare. When I used to fly to Scotland on business regularly I would drive to Birmingham and fly from there because the whole departure experience was more pleasurable.

Not been through EMA in last 12 months so not sure how things have changed or not.

As an aside 1) There seems to be a lot more biz jet and King Air 200 activity recently (in addition to the usual JCB stuff).

Aside 2) I can't believe that HS2 is planned to be tunnelled underneath EMA and yet there are no plans for a station there.

handsfree 6th Jun 2014 13:07

I've been through EMA three times this year and unless my experiences were not typical the process of getting through security had improved quite considerably.
Arrivals unfortunately can still be the shambles of old. If you arrive on a half full aircraft with no other aircraft arrivals it's ok but if you get two or three full 737s all arriving at the same time it is far from ok especially if it's raining.

I don't think there is any chance of an HS2 station serving the airport as Toton (the intended station to serve Derby and Nottingham) is only 6 miles away. There is a railway spur from the Sheet Stores freight loop planned to the northern boundary of the airport but this will be freight only to serve the envisaged industrial development.

TCAS_Alert 6th Jun 2014 13:10

I have to drive past EMA to get to BHX, but will always fly out of BHX while I can. The reason? A much more pleasurable experience - nicer airport, decent lounges, long stay parking within easy walking distance and a massive range of flight times to anywhere in Europe, either direct or indirect. EMA is so much more restrictive, plus you have to fly with Ryanair or FlyMayBe. An example: My next upcoming business trip to Berlin. EMA have a flight on a Monday and one on a Friday with Ryanair. BHX have 3-5 flight combinations, every day, through KLM alone. Brussels and Lufthansa provide additional connections, and of course there are 2 direct flights a day with Germanwings.

I had to fly out of EMA the other week for our holiday in Florida (travelling with in-laws who would only fly from the closest available airport). I have to say it was no better than the last time I flew out - very cramped, and like every other time I've flown in/out of EMA, long delays to check in and in the baggage hall. By the time you have parked in the long stay, waited for your bus and queued to check in at EMA, you could be at BHX.

egnxema 6th Jun 2014 18:16

Pays your money, makes your choice.

Personally I'm not looking for an "experience" in an airport. I just want to get on or off a plane.

But totally agree that lack of a network carrier at EMA is a handicap and the current arrivals capacity (or lack of) would be a show stopper for most non-LoCo or charter carriers.

FRatSTN 6th Jun 2014 19:20

TCAS_Alert


I have always myself found EMA to be a very stress free and efficient "experience". For me, the biggest problem is that EMA is too dependant on "bucket and spade" which makes the airport very seasonal. Not necessarily a bad thing, comparing it to BFS, LPL and NCL which are of similar size, EMA often seems the busiest of the lot in the summer but in the middle of winter, probably the quietist.


I think LH to FRA, AF to CDG or KL Cityhopper to AMS could all work at multiple daily frequencies on regional aircraft, but of course there's BHX just down the A42 so probably would never want to.


I'd be happy to see BE or FR to more European cities. Even if LS did a daily AMS or CDG at the right times that would be great for EMA.

andyy 9th Jun 2014 08:23

By Handsfree:
"I don't think there is any chance of an HS2 station serving the airport as Toton (the intended station to serve Derby and Nottingham) is only 6 miles away. There is a railway spur from the Sheet Stores freight loop planned to the northern boundary of the airport but this will be freight only to serve the envisaged industrial development."

If distance from another rail station was the criteria Toton would not be developed at all given that there are already stations with 1hr 30-1hr 45 min access to London already at Nottingham, Derbt, Long Eaton, East Midlands Parkway and Loughborough, and all of which are within a few miles of EMA.

No, the point is that this Govt is supposed to be promoting multi-modal alternatives to road transport and as the proposed HS2 line is to be tunnelled under EMA then I would have thought it would have made sense to have a station there to allow people to access the airport from a wider catchment area without having to use a car.

In any case, I strongly suspect that the High Speed element of HS2 will actually diminish over the next few years as people realise that the business case is flawed with just 5 stations between London and Leeds.

There is a freight only line being discussed (planning application not submitted yet) on the northern boundary of EMA, however this is nothing to do with EMA and the boundary between the two remains in place as far as published proposals suggest. This new development is being touted as an "inland port" to bring containers directly from Harwich and to then distribute them by road from the new hub.

With respect to Flybe at EMA, I am surprised that they do not make more of their links to Air France - KLM and offer daily (and price competitive) flights to Paris and Amsterdam to link up with their intercontinental routes from there. If I was flying abroad I would rather do that than travel to Heathrow/ Gatwick

ATNotts 9th Jun 2014 08:39

egnxema


Personally I'm not looking for an "experience" in an airport. I just want to get on or off a plane
You and I are at one on that - but the "experience" so beloved of airport managements is the "experience" of the punter being separated from their cash whilst drifting from this retail outlet, to that cafe trying to find somewhere to sit - since seating areas in lounges at most airports have been largely removed, or restricted to those that have mobility issues (hey, that's politically correct for me!!).

The requirement to fleece the unsuspecting passenger has come about since airlines such as Ryanair adopted a policy of not paying sufficiently for the services they need / use.

TCAS_Alert 11th Jun 2014 16:19

AN-225 is due in tomorrow evening (12 June) at 1800, due out Friday 13 June at 1000 local.

With the "Download" festival at Donington Park and the police preventing parking on all surrounding roads for the course of the weekend - sounds like it will be one place to avoid at all costs :)

Mr Angry from Purley 12th Jun 2014 19:36

Place was mobbed hundreds and hundreds reminded me of when Concorde came in

https://www.flickr.com/photos/plane_...n/photostream/

JuJuMonkey 12th Jun 2014 20:40

Antonov
 
What time is it departing tomorrow? x

Airbanda 13th Jun 2014 13:15

Nice pic. I was trying to track it on FR24 but never seemed to progress from being delayed at Riga.

mog745x 13th Jun 2014 21:22

Has there been any increase in traffic due to download?

handsfree 14th Jun 2014 13:35

Air traffic - not noticed any increase
Road traffic - oh yes
Beer traffic - lots.

ssflyer 15th Jun 2014 17:21

Servisair Lounge advice please
 
It is many years since I used EMA but now FR have stopped GRO flights from BHX I will be using it on regular basis.
My Priority Pass gives us access to the upstairs Servisair lounge-I remember as it a being fairly grim,stained carpets and with poor f&b offering(crisps,nuts,,tiny tins of beer and acid wines)
Have things improved,advice welcome (or should I go for the Boots £3.49 meal deal?)
SS

Burnie5204 15th Jun 2014 17:28

Well the Servisair lounge is no more.

Instead there will be (in August) the MAG brand of 'Premium Lounge' called the "Escape Lounge" opening up where the downstairs bar used to be.


You've got a choice of F&B now.

There's (in order as you pass them):

Landside:
Leon - Hot, Fresh but Fast food. Check in hall.
WHSmiths - Check in hall
Boots - Arrivals
WHSmiths - Arrivals
Flat White - Coffee shop

Airside:
WHSmiths
Boots - Soon to close and be replaced by Superdrug
Grab & Fly - a selection of Sandwiches. At Gates 1-5
Pork&Pickle - Mostly Sausage based
Frankie & Bennys
Flat White (Upstairs)
Castle Rock - Bar/Pub grub (Upstairs)
Burger King (Upstairs)

ssflyer 15th Jun 2014 21:42

Lounge
 
Thanks for that,PP on line is still showing Servisair as a PP lounge!
East Midlands - EMA
Lounge
SERVISAIR LOUNGE
Location
Airside - proceed through Security Checks and take the stairs to the Upper
Level. Follow signs to the 'Executive Lounge'.
Hours
04:30 - 19:30 daily. Hours may be subject to seasonal changes. Closed: Dec
25.
Conditions
Dress code applicable

ssflyer 19th Jun 2014 08:05

Road Congestion-June onwards
 
I had this email from the EM site saying there could be continuing congestion around the airport and to make extra time for the journey.
"Major upgrade works to M1 J24 taking place from 16th June 2014 until early 2015 - please allow extra time to travel to and from the airport and follow any diversion signs"
I am coming up the A42-could I be affected or is it mainly the M1?
ta
SS

handsfree 19th Jun 2014 13:50

You could be affected if it gets very bad at peak times as the M1 can back down past the slip from the A42 and block your getting to the airport slip.
I'd plan to come off at the Tonge junction which is the one prior to that and approach the airport from the other direction. It's an easy route and brings you to the western entrance.
I'd give yourself some extra time as well just in case.
Hope this helps.

ssflyer 20th Jun 2014 06:33

Traffic
 
Thanks,I will try that-that is assuming I have still got a flight what with the French ATC strikes looming!
SS

FRatSTN 26th Jun 2014 21:35

Jet2
 
Looks like LS will axe CDG from 14 SEP 2014 and the new route to EFL has been removed from sale also.

Balair 30th Jun 2014 09:22

DHL
 
A report in the business section of this morning's Daily Telegraph states that DHL are to spend £120 million on "improving sorting and aircraft-handling facilities in the East Midlands and at Heathrow" by 2016,
No further details have been given, but I assume this would indicate the construction of the much talked about extension to the EMA facility is now going ahead.


Balair

Burnie5204 30th Jun 2014 09:27

Well there was a documentary done a couple of years ago which said that the DHL hub was running at 300% designed capacity so the second hub building was always inevitable.

Skybus100 1st Jul 2014 20:00

DHL EXPANSION
 
There was an official launch today, the current facility is to be doubled in size which will include customer services etc moving under one roof

Burnie5204 1st Jul 2014 20:01

The second hub building then.

ATNotts 2nd Jul 2014 07:50


There was an official launch today, the current facility is to be doubled in size which will include customer services etc moving under one roof
Would I be correct in assuming that expansion of the DHL facility will be towards the west of the site, and probably swallowing up the long stay car park at that end of the airfield?

If that is the case MAG really has to start thinking about building a multi storey car park on the site, or else turn over the fields between the hotel and RW09 into surface car parking; which I suppose will be the cheaper, and therefore most desirable option from MAG's point of view.

Burnie5204 2nd Jul 2014 08:08

Yes, IIRC DHL already own the land immediately to the west of their existing building. The new building (which they already have planning permission for as part of the original permission IIRC) would go on top of what is currently one of the JetParks carparks.

And the airport has already laid new car parking at the eastern end of the airport. It's used for the 'Meet & Greet' customers cars freeing up those spaces from the other 'main' car parks.

Balair 10th Jul 2014 21:16

bmi regional
 
Are to introduce an additional BRU rotation 13.15/16.10 from 3/9/14.


The flights will only operate on Wednesdays and Thursdays, which seems to be an odd choice to me, as I would have thought the start and end of the working week would be a better option; I can only assume the extra flights are to open-up more destinations/better connectivity through their code share with Brussels Airlines?


Talking of which, the airport's management are still showing their total ineptitude by their failure to support bmi regional in promoting the onward connectivity offered by the new code share agreement.


Despite issuing a press release on 14/4 declaring "the new partnership with Brussels Airlines opens up a global network to East Midlands travellers" try finding any current mention of the fact, or try an "onward connections" search - zilch...! They can't even manage to list the Brussels Airlines flight numbers on the departures/arrivals boards.
The airport website still has an ad for Air France and "onward connections through CDG" - and until a few weeks ago it even still listed their flights f/t EMA, which finished when...?


With the lack of business routes and onward connectivity from EMA being so poor, FRA and CDG having been lost and the AMS schedule virtually useless, you would have thought a little effort may have been given to try to retain and develop the BRU route?


But wait a minute, we are talking about MAG here aren't we, and reading comments about their other airports, the above should come as no surprise!


Rant over -I'm going to bed!


Balair

Navy_Adversary 11th Jul 2014 07:58

Company fined for Lithium battery carriage at EMA
 
This is the article briefly mentioned in todays leicester Mercury.

Choice Select Ltd, of Baird Lane, York, was fined £1,000 and ordered to pay £2,000 costs and a £100 victim surcharge for causing 1,435 lithium-ion batteries to be delivered in an aircraft at East Midlands Airport on August 26.

The company indicated a guilty plea to knowing or suspecting the goods were dangerous, posed a risk to health, safety, property or the environment when carried by air, that technical instructions had not been complied with and that the goods were not in a fit condition for carriage by air.

Read more at Cases dealt with at Leicester Magistrates' Court | Leicester Mercury

ema 123 11th Jul 2014 16:45

My airline now tells me which way I can and cannot walk to the airport!!!!


I despair...........its like being at nursery.....maybe they'll provide a lollipop lady for us next!!!!








please be reminded of the designated route that should be


adhered by all Aircrew;


Follow footpath from B100 towards roundabout.


Cross only at pedestrian crossing.


Follow footpath towards terminal past the BP garage.


Follow designated pedestrian route through car park to departures.




This route is well lit, safe and approved in line with Health & Safety and is the only route that


crew should utilise.

paul atkins 22nd Jul 2014 14:12

Flybe
 
It looks like Flybe are to start operating to Aberdeen from 27th October with one flight Monday to Friday dep ABZ 1045 arr 1210 EMA dep EMA 1235 arr ABZ 1400

ATNotts 22nd Jul 2014 15:00

ema 123

Oh dear. I suppose it's a good thing you're not getting to work by bus, otherwise your Health and Safety Manager - obviously with too much time on his / her hands would be sending you on courses so you can learn how to get on and off a bus!!!

It's an absolute wonder UK industry gets anything done when people are being paid (probably handsomely) to come up with this kind of rubbish.

As an aside, I was in Germany 2 weeks ago, and saw a group of gents working on a spherical structure (some sort of radar unit), hanging on the side of said spherical object, on a rope, with no bone-dome, and shock horror, no hi-vis jacket. It would never happen in UK!!!

Facelookbovvered 25th Jul 2014 11:02

Health & safety
 
Its all about balance, there is no doubt that Health & safety procedures have saved a lot of people from needless injury, but they do get carried away with it at times....reflective hi viz jackets are excellent in low light conditions, but in bright sun light of course not, the problem then becomes defining low light, far easier to say wear at all times and i agree, early sun on the sunward side of an aircraft on a walk round can be twilight on the other side in the shadows..

e m a 123

For your route walk it ought be sufficient to say ' employee's are reminded to use designated footpath & crossings when on airport property land/air side.

I have seen people (at EMA) get off the staff busses and walk in front of them to cross the road only to be nearly flattened by other vehicles passing the stationary bus, i guess that's why you can't pass a school bus in the US

So e m a 123 Jet2 or bmi ? H&S department ?

ATNotts 25th Jul 2014 14:16


I have seen people (at EMA) get off the staff busses and walk in front of them to cross the road only to be nearly flattened by other vehicles passing the stationary bus
Probably piddling around with their mobile phones at the same time!!!

LBIA 14th Aug 2014 11:09

Oh dear Just been announced that Monarch are pulling out of EMA from April next year.

2014 News - Flights - MONARCH AIRLINES TO STOP FLYING FROM EAST MIDLANDS BASE IN 2015 | Flights News - Monarch

I wonder if Jet2 and Ryanair will now come in and take up some of the services.

FRatSTN 14th Aug 2014 11:32


I wonder if Jet2 and Ryanair will now come in and take up some of the services.

I hope so. Jet2 even looks a bit disappointing next summer. Unless they add new services I think it's really down to Flybe and Ryanair to deliver quite some growth to stop passenger numbers from declining in 2015.


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