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Balair 26th Jan 2014 19:12

Quote:
"BHX suffers from being squeezed by LHR and MAN; whilst EMA has to battle on 3 fronts - with LHR and MAN plus BHX to contend with.."

"The MAG management and marketing people have my sympathy as they must constantly be battling on the passenger side, for precious little reward, full service airline-wise"

EMA never has and in all likelyhood (due to its close proximity to BHX) never will be able to attract Legacy/Full service carriers, irrespective of its terminal facilities; and it certainly does not need to battle with MAN. In fact I would imagine it is strongly discouraged to do so from a group perspective.

In EMA, MAG have the second largest freight airport in the UK and a very good track record with leisure traffic. It therefore makes sense for MAG to concentrate on these strengths and commit the bulk of any future expenditure on the airport, whether it be on the development of the terminal or marketing, on building on these successes; after all there is little point in spending millions of pounds on infrastructure that is not really required or will not be fully utilised. I do however accept that the arrivals area does require a serious upgrade.

Whilst discussing competition let's not forget that BHX is also squeezed on three fronts; I am sure Mr K and Co. would love to get their hands on the four million plus passengers and three hundred thousand tonnes of freight handled by the little airport down the road. It would go some way to help pay for their extra bit of concrete....!

Balair

andyy 3rd Feb 2014 12:11

EMA has one every big advantage that no other airport can match - unrestricted operating hours throughout the night.

spacegrand 13th Feb 2014 14:53

Anyone know the aircraft types that MON will have at EMA this summer please.

ematom1 13th Feb 2014 18:26

Should be 2 A321's

egnxema 21st Feb 2014 21:00

I have been looking to book flights EMA DUB with FR and I notice with the intro of the summer timetable there appears to be only 1 flight per day to DUB - departing at 0630!

Seems odd.

BHX has 4 per day FR and 3 per day EI

stuart hammond 23rd Feb 2014 07:56

Ryr ema-dub
 
I have checked the Aug ops for all Ema Ryr flights and still shows 8 aircraft based, but what as changed is the extra no of holidays flights operated, so may be more money made from holiday style flights than Dub, at twice per day.




stuart

FRatSTN 23rd Feb 2014 10:23

FR at EMA S14
 
Increases I notice in Italy:


Milan-Bergamo back up to 4x weekly (though nothing from Birmingham this summer)
Pisa does go up 3x weekly for the summer
Rome-Ciampino up to 5x weekly


Also Corfu and Rhodes go up to 2x weekly for a longer period than last year and might be some increases in Spain.


Overall I think Ryanair is very slightly down this year which is a little disappointing. This is the first year in many I think where we haven't seen a single new route at the start of the summer. Though with the issue of aircraft deliveries, that's not too big a shock. Hopefully we will see something a little more exciting for 2015.

egnxema 25th Feb 2014 21:08

It's just a shame that business schedules at EMA are weakening rather than improving.

I have in the past month been unable to use EMA to EDI due poor times as well as book weekly trips to DUB in April due FR new schedule.

Also the AMS and CDG schedule is nothing compared to former times.

It's chicken and egg, no schedule = no business pax. The needs of business travellers can't have drastically reduced since the days of twice daily (at least) and 0700 ish departures to DUB EDI AMS and CDG.

What a shame!!

Burnie5204 28th Feb 2014 14:06

Problem you have though is that EDI, AMS and CDG are all only operated by FlyBe - an airline seriously struggling to make money and have had to cut back on frequency to increase the profitibility of their remaining flights on that route by increasing load-factors.


Though the business sector from EMA cant be doing that well, even British Midland have cutback their schedule to a single airframe operation.

ATNotts 28th Feb 2014 15:14

Burnie5204


Though the business sector from EMA cant be doing that well, even British Midland have cutback their schedule to a single airframe operation.
British Midlands problem is the wrong aircraft - too small, to expensive to operate. A DH4 is probably about right in terms of cost / seats for BRU.

As for FlyBe, with their interline agreements with KL and AF they should have been able to make a go of CDG and AMS. I fear the problem is that they are competing with multi daily services down the road at BHX which make it a more viable option for the businessman (or of course woman!) paying a premium for a fully flexible fare, which I guess is where FlyBe are making their money.

Burnie5204 28th Feb 2014 15:28

Should...


From what I saw, of their EMA flights they only ran codeshare with AF on the CDG and they didnt particularly appear to push that angle, all the media I saw only said they went as far as CDG and not that you could connect onwards. Maybe they could have pushed Codeshares and done codeshare through AMS a bit more.


Either way it shows that there doesn't seem to be that much business traffic through EMA.

ATNotts 28th Feb 2014 16:13

Burnie5204

I agree, "should" is probably the appropriate word.

Anyway, I guess that AF/KL and BE at Birmingham will be more than happy at the outcome. You'll be able to count the number of business passengers on Jet2s CDG offering on the fingers of one hand.

Given that the East Midlands has a meaningful airport, it's really a crying shame that it can't be effectively used by business people trying to grow jobs and the economy in the region.

Burnie5204 28th Feb 2014 16:30

Absolutely, working at the airport I see SO much stuff that could be done/should have been done to improve the airport.

It is a chicken and the egg scenario again. MAG don't seem to want to spend too much on new facilities because the custom (as in Airlines and Routes) isn't there at the moment but the custom isn't coming because the facilities aren't there and the airlines have previously said this numerous times.

A new security hall wont be good enough. It needs a whole new arrivals side as this is where we are distinctly lacking but given the airport layout this would need a almost entire new terminal - like the one that was previously designed (and fully costed up and partly commenced and then suspended) to connect into and complement the existing terminal. Solutions the airport are coming up with to mitigate these problems are just sticking plaster solutions.

The group is spending more money on redecorating/reshuffling around the newest Terminal of the group (STN) than it would cost to build the new EMA terminal designed around a decade ago.


Saying that the new upstairs food hall does look good (unless you look up)

Balair 5th Mar 2014 08:35

Development Plan
 
A draft of the airport's Strategic Development Plan is now available to download from the airport's official website.
Most of the main proposals appear to be generally in line with those which have already been discussed on this forum; the main development areas being a major expansion of the DHL facility, a substantial development for another carrier (UPS?) on Cargo East and future expansion of the passenger terminal being centred on current short stay car park.


Balair

handsfree 11th Mar 2014 07:55

Link to the Strategic Development Plan for those interested

Sustainable Development Plan

Burnie5204 11th Mar 2014 14:58

Well there's certainly lots of promising sounding news in there.

Certainly, if followed, it would solve almost all of the airports current infrastructure constraints.


However, much like the 2006 masterplan that was shelved when the recession hit, how much of this comes to fruition is a different matter.

Burnie5204 24th Mar 2014 22:15

Has anyone know/heard about what's happening with Dnata?

I notice that a Dnata banner has been stuck on the side of the "Cargo 3" Air Freight Handling facility (the one that EMAS HART used to use the Western part of)

Doing a little googling has revealed a news article that they were considering coming to EMA
Dubai's dnata opens three new cargo hubs in UK - Transport - ArabianBusiness.com

And the Dnata website lists EMA as a ground handling base AND a Road Freight Network Facility.
dnata UK: Networks


Now I know that they own the Alpha catering group but they have a separate catering facility at EMA already and operate under the Alpha LSG Skychefs brand wheras this is very much under the Dnata brand judging by the brand banner thats gone up over the Lorry Docks on the side of the building.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

TCAS_Alert 26th Mar 2014 19:46

Does anyone know if the Servisair lounge is likely to be opening again any time soon? It's been closed for several months during the refurbishment, interested to find out if there's any news on when it will reopen.

Burnie5204 26th Mar 2014 19:54

No and Yes...

No - A Servisair lounge will not be reopening

but

Yes - There is an exec lounge being built at the moment which will be run by the airport under the MAG Escape Lounge brand. It's going where the Runway Bar used to be opposite Gates 15-17.

bhx bod 31st Mar 2014 14:53

DHL 76F
 
Hi guys,
I just visited EMA for the first time in years and was wondering if anyone could tell me the operator/airline of the B767 freighter N220CY that ops in DHL colours.Sorry if that is a spotterish type question but I was just curious.

Thanks in advance.
bhx bod.

rutankrd 31st Mar 2014 14:58

N220CY Boeing 767-383(ER)(BDSF) ABX Air C/N 24729 originally delivered to SAS.

bhx bod 31st Mar 2014 15:31

rutankrd
 
Thanks for the info.Much obliged:ok:

stuart hammond 5th Apr 2014 07:45

summer 2015
 
Jet 2 to add pula from east midlands for 2015 on sun may to sep 07.00 dep

ematom1 26th Apr 2014 10:39

BMI regional and Brussels airline will now have a codeshare agreement on the EMA-Brussels route

Brussels service to be launched at East Midlands Airport | Leicester Mercury

SM82 29th Apr 2014 04:57

Anyone any news on the incident at the airport right now?

cornishsimon 29th Apr 2014 06:07

737F with landing gear collapse I think ?
No injuries.


cs

Facelookbovvered 29th Apr 2014 07:20

Air contractors 734 landing gear colapse whist existing the runway.

handsfree 29th Apr 2014 11:23

A couple of views of the aircraft on here

BBC News - East Midlands Airport flights suspended after problem

El Bunto 29th Apr 2014 20:40

Continued closure to arrivals caused a few turnbacks.

Mr NOTAM says, rather optimistically:

RUNWAY 27 CLOSED.
RUNWAY 09 AVAILABLE FOR DEPARTURES ONLY. DISABLED AIRCRAFT
WEST OF TAXIWAY MIKE. REDUCED DISTANCES: TORA 1525M ASDA 1555M
TODA 1836M. NO ARRIVALS.
FROM: 29 APR 2014 17:00
TO: 29 APR 2014 19:00 EST

MILEHIGHBOY 29th Apr 2014 22:37

EMA - Fully Operational
 
LS624 FNC-EMA B733 Landed 23:26.

Burnie5204 1st Jun 2014 15:30

I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to see two Apaches (callsigns Gangster 1 and Gangster 2) doing SRA to Go Arounds a few days ago. Certainly makes a change from the norm.

UPS@EMA 2nd Jun 2014 17:30

if that is all that can be said in a positive way about the airport in over a month then the mods should close the thread. MAN Group are letting the locals down by not improving the arrivals area. That has to be a priority.

FRatSTN 2nd Jun 2014 18:11

I don't really see much of a need to improve the Arrivals area. Yeah maybe it could be made to look a bit better but it's functional, always quick to get through and has one or two shops once back on landside. The biggest problem if anything is having to get on a bus to get there from some of the further stands, but not sure how they could easily change that?


MAG are still redeveloping and improving the security and airside departures area, the place where passengers spend most of their time and undoubtedly spend the most money. I don't think its fair to say they are letting the locals down. I'm certainly looking forward to see how its looking when I fly from there in July.

Burnie5204 2nd Jun 2014 18:17

Well if that's what you want then the terminal developments are looking good.

The new fast food joint Leon is very good. It's good to finally see a good, hot, healthy fast food option at reasonable prices and, as airside staff, I'm happy that the food can all be taken through security - a godsend for staff like myself wanting to pickup food before starting night shifts.

The new flights just announced by Jet2 are always good to hear about and it's nice to see Thomson investing in the aircraft based here, modifying them with Scimitar winglets.

The increase in UPS/SRR traffic is also good to see - sunday nights now see 2 brown tails and 2 stars on the east ramp.

Hopefully soon the new Duty Free area and post-security 'decompression zone' will be complete certainly the new walkway to gates 1-5 is looking almost complete with only the false ceiling to be installed if it's as complete as it looks from the outside - no more going through that awkward chicane of re-purposed service corridors squeezed between boots and WHSmiths Books.

Unfortunately elements of the terminal do feel cramped at the moment (particularly the post-security area and the exit from Duty free) due to the hoardings for the last stages of 3 separate works areas but these will hopefully soon be gone.

The presence of dnata in the Cargo 3 freight facility combined with advertising for multi-skilled ground handling operatives can only be good news for the airport.

The new paint shop, Airborne Colours, certainly seem to be doing good trade with (along with Air Livery) both paint shops seeing a steady stream of aircraft through their doors.

Passenger wise EMA is busier than it has been for a long time with early rumour of between 8-10% more passengers month on month than last year which was, in turn, around 8% up on the previous year.


Lots of good news going on.

FRatSTN 2nd Jun 2014 18:40

I would be surprised if pax numbers rise 8-10% again. Was expecting a much smaller increase this year.


I've got a gut feeling EMA might be slightly down in 2015 because as it stands, LS and TOM look slightly disappointing next summer although no reduction in based aircraft. TCX is looking pretty much like its typical amount.


I really think EMA is in need of some more city/business like routes. They have BHD, EDI and GLA well covered but there's no service to CDG now other than four midday flights a week by LS and AMS and DUB are now only once daily.


I'm pinning my hopes on FR who hopefully will bring some new traffic again in 2015 after a pretty disappointing 2014 from them (no new routes other than ORK which started last November) and DUB reduced to once daily. Would be nice to see some growth from ZB or BE as well. Fingers crossed.

Burnie5204 2nd Jun 2014 19:15

Certainly the internal update we had was that despite losing a days flying last month due to the Air Contractors incident the pax figures were still 8% up on April 2013 with May figures looking to have increased by a similar number.

Balair 2nd Jun 2014 19:41

An improvement of the arrivals area has been identified as an issue by the airport. In its Sustainable Development Plan it states that this area has an annual capacity of around 5 million and "Works to provide additional capacity will be required in the short term"
What their idea of "short term" remains to be seen!
As has already been pointed out, any expenditure here will not generate additional income, it will only serve to improve, in airport parlance, the "incoming passenger experience" and hopefully therefore keep the airlines happy?

Burnie5204 2nd Jun 2014 20:01

Absolutely. I've seen the artist impression and they are very much a short term solution whilst the airport looks at it's long term solutions for both arrivals and departures growth (as well as the need for increased cargo capacity especially if the Star Air rumours are true in relation to B763F acquisitions for Transatlantic services from EMA) as I have heard that there were some major airlines looking at operating at EMA who did not believe that the arrivals experience was suitable for their customer base.

ATNotts 3rd Jun 2014 08:00

FRatSTN


I really think EMA is in need of some more city/business like routes. They have BHD, EDI and GLA well covered but there's no service to CDG now other than four midday flights a week by LS and AMS and DUB are now only once daily.
You are so right. East Midlands business is virtually unserved by EMA. It's disappointing that the only business orientated non UK and Ireland services are Amsterdam and Brussels. The latter isn't the best European hub airport in terms of the spread of onward connections and to work properly as a hub AMS needs to be minimum 2 x daily.

I fear that the airport is in reality squeezed by BHX, where the major carriers are already well ensconced and probably wouldn't get any benefit from diluting the market between BHX and EMA. You only have to look at how long KLM lasted at LPL to see the effect in action.

Apart from for putting bums on seats, I really can't see a great benefit in expansion by Ryanair. The greater their dominance, the greater their demands for reduced prices and this would impact on the airport's profitability - a hole that would probably be filled by more rip-off charges levied against passengers and meeters and greeters.

Balair 4th Jun 2014 19:30

Cargolux
 
Can anyone advise me if the CLX 772 flights, which appear to have been operating twice a week through EMA for some time now, are a permanent fixture or just a temporary series of flights?

Balair


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