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Wanabee,Gunnabee,Am 28th Sep 2007 07:49

That I can't tell you. Maybe its because they have already sold lots of tickets and rather than refund the money, maybe they will sub contract the work to another carrier with maybe smaller aircraft.

jetsetwilly 28th Sep 2007 08:06

I thought the days of subbing was over. Who can remember the summer nightmare of 2005???


dumdumbrain 28th Sep 2007 08:38

Subcontracted to Ryanair, pax are given a refund and rebook with Ryanair and pocket the difference :E


dumdumbrain 28th Sep 2007 09:41

Well Ryanair won't be beaten on a price/route, it will reduce the cost of the tickets to force another airline to drop it. But on the other hand easyJet have a new route that was dropped by another airline from EMA a while back. Not sure how 4 times a week will do though. Saying that the loads on on ema-cia aint too great on some days, a good move by easyjet to move to where it can make a profit.

Does anyone know how long it takes to travel to the city centre on bus from BCN and GRO?


tweentown 28th Sep 2007 10:00

Lee - been to both GRO and BCN

BCN is on outskirts if Barcelona - about 20 mins by bus to centre IIRC or you can take the train.

GRO is about 100km from Barcelona City - motorway all the way - probably over 1 hr.

dumdumbrain 28th Sep 2007 10:57

Baby Venice
Cheers for that, saying that Girona is nice city, like a baby Venice, and it has a beach aswell. Im sure the ema-gro will still continue to grow.


gate 22 28th Sep 2007 11:23

I read an article recently about airport locations and it concluded that price was not the number one factor, unless a carrier was charging a ridiculous price on a particular route the majority of folk would just check and book where they wanted to go and from which ever airport suited them. It suggested that say you wanted to travel to Barcelona from the Uk, you would know in your mind how much you are prepared to pay. You would check a flight to Barcelona and if it was in and around that price, and it was from your prefered UK airport to Barcelona you would book it, without checking either another UK departure airport or a different arrival airport near Barcelona. I suppose if you where travelling to London from Glasgow and it was cheaper to get off near London and hop across the platform and get a different train 20mins later to save 10 would you bother!!

JulietNovemberPapa 28th Sep 2007 11:32

Don't forget that GRO is the closest airport for the ever-popular Costa Blanca... if you like that kind of thing.

gate 22 28th Sep 2007 11:49

Well Girona would be a better airport to fly to, to say hire a car if you are going on a beach/villa holiday, its out in the country less intimidating, than arriving at an airport in the city with all those junctions, one way systems etc. Is Girona the same airport as the charter airport Gerona!!!!

dumdumbrain 28th Sep 2007 12:00

Gerona or Girona
Yes it is the same airport, the English say Girona, and the locals call if Gerona. But dont get me started on that one, ie murica, always makes me smile where I hear people say murica :E
The best ones are the polish cities, ie Wroclaw and Lodz hehe

paul sheppard 28th Sep 2007 12:26

It is the Costa Brava not Blanca, that is served from Alicante!!

Devonair 28th Sep 2007 12:41

Actually the locals call it Girona, which is the Catalan word. Gerona is the Castillian or Spanish version.

dumdumbrain 28th Sep 2007 12:47

thats right :O either way spain is well served from ema, just need SQV to be added

finding_nema 28th Sep 2007 15:10

Certainly don't want to thread creep too much, but as a Catalan speaker, I'm going to have to dive in. Girona is the correct spelling in Catalan (pronounced zheerohna) whilst the Castillians would call it Gerona (herr-ohna). Either way it's quite a distance from Barcelona itself, which is fine if you're staying for a couple of days, but if it's a brief visit then it's not at all convenient - about a 15 minute bus ride to the local train station, then a 50 minute train. It does serve the Costa Brava (which means the wild rather than the brave coast) which is very pretty, though quite expensive. BCN is a much needed destination from EMA having gone from 2 daily flights to nothing in 2004, so it's good to see the route back, and easyJet should do well.

For a while FR and U2 competed quite happily on the Rome route with flights at polar ends of the day, but as soon as FR's flights moved to the morning with an EMA based aircraft, it seemed that two flights in the space of two hours wouldn't work.

Wanabee,Gunnabee,Am 28th Sep 2007 15:23

Regarding CIA, I understand that the Rome authorities are forcing the airport to reduce the amount of flights into the airport due, I think, to the locals objecting to their once quiet military airport turning into a busy International Airport.

The figures are ( I think reducing the flights from 138/day down to 130/day) Obviously Ryanair are up in arms as it is one of their bases. Maybe if all airlines have to reduce their flights, EMA is the EZY base that gets to reduce. Possibly.

Wellington Bomber 29th Sep 2007 09:27

Paul Sheppard

Get your map out, Alicante is on the Costa Blanca (white Coast). Have a look in the holiday brochures it will tell you. And to think your location is in Spain

LEEDS APPROACH 29th Sep 2007 09:54


I am sticking up for Paul Sheppard as you have miss understood his reply to an erroneous post (209)by JulietNovemberPapa. If you read what he has put again slowly in conjunction with the erroneous post you will see that he is agreeing with you - i.e. alicante serves the costa blanca. (i think the grammar used has caused the problem). Perhaps don't be quite so quick to scold someone.

Leeds App.

JulietNovemberPapa 29th Sep 2007 12:04

Yes, I meant the Costa Brava. And I'm delighted I got it wrong: I dislike such areas of Spain.

virginblue 29th Sep 2007 17:03

R: DHL to Germany
DHL will move its German hub from CGN to LEJ where also the new joint-venture airline with Lufthansa will be set up. However, FedEx is considering to move flights from FRA to CGN now that DHL has deserted CGN just as TNT did a couple of years with their move to LGG.

Anyone in the know what the fate of the CGN route is after JAN08? Now that TUIFly will axe the BHX route, Easyjet should be more than comfortable being the only airline serving CGN from the Midlands in the future (the numbers have always been much better than TUIFly's from BHX).

Wellington Bomber 29th Sep 2007 17:23

Leeds Approach & Paul Shepherd

Slap my face with a wet fish, I do apologisefor being too hasty, its the father in me unfortunately

aidoair 29th Sep 2007 17:46

Anyone in the know what the fate of the CGN route is after JAN08? Now that TUIFly will axe the BHX route, Easyjet should be more than comfortable being the only airline serving CGN from the Midlands in the future (the numbers have always been much better than TUIFly's from BHX).
The flight times, frequency and fare prices especially are all very good and much better than what Tuifly offers from BHX. Real shame that they're pulling this route, hopefully they could consider bringing it back again soon.

friarkeasley 29th Sep 2007 20:00

Although this route is providing a service, I cant see it being brought back. Why tie up an aircraft on a route where although the loads are high, the pax dont spend anything on board and that is where money is made. Instead choosing PMI and BCN, which are guaranteed to bring in more money in through onboard sales. It is a shame for the people who use this route regularly though.

OliWW 30th Sep 2007 20:34

Does anyone know what:

TOM2477F Zakynthos 08:15

Is all about, leaving tomorrow morning, also there is no monday morning Palma fligt showing for them, will this be using that aircraft... whats going out/in on this...

Thanks for the info guys =]]

CentreFix25 1st Oct 2007 07:32

It's getting to the time of year when aircraft position out empty to bring holiday makers back prior to the season ending (especially the Greece and Turkey flights). Usually happens towards the end of the month, this one seems a bit early, but not altogether unusual. Thats my guess.

easyboy 2nd Oct 2007 10:53

EZY Cabin Crew Uniform
Hi All,

The first look the general public will get of the new cabin crew uniform at EMA will be on the 8th October.

4 cabin crew, 2 male 2 female, will have their picture taken airside beside the Geneva departing aircraft, if all the pictures are unable to be taken due to time constraints they will move to the check-in/front of the terminal area.

The launch is due to happen on the 8th/9th October (some confusion over the date) but this simply isn't going to happen as some crew still dont have their uniform, no doubt it will be in about 6 months time in good old EZY style.

mikerawsonderby 2nd Oct 2007 20:17

East Midlands School of Flying
From another forum, it has been announced that the flying school is to be disbanded by November. A letter to the school members included the statement:

'Due to Ryanair's expansion at the airport and their future use of
DHL's apron during daylight hours, the airport is planning an internal
road to link that apron with the terminal one. This road will run
straight through the flying school building and apron.'

Apart from the disaster of the school being shut down after all these years, what help would it be parking Ryanair's a/c on the Western apron during daylight hours, when the main apron is only likely to be short of space overnight? (Almost adds to the earlier DHL rumour - I wonder how long it would take to convert the DHL building to a Ryanair terminal!)

Readability 5 3rd Oct 2007 00:21

I doubt very much that you will ever see a Ryanair aircraft parked on the Western apron in the normal course of events - or Easyjet and Baby for that matter - as all aircraft are parked according to a plan worked out in advance in collaboration with all the airlines concerned. The airside road to DHL should have been built at the same time as the apron, but I did hear at the time that there was some argument over who should pay for it, DHL said as they would derive no benefit from it, why should they contribute to the cost.

The whole thing is just a much cheaper way of making more concrete available for the odd occasions when it is needed such as for diversions, and to tide the airport over until they can afford to extend the 40s apron southwards.


UPSAirOps 3rd Oct 2007 07:41

"Is there any plans to remark stands on the East Cargo Ramp to make 747 stands????"

I think there's two available already - but they're diagonal stands which would require parking across stands that are currently nose-in to the head of stand road. I think...

almost professional 3rd Oct 2007 12:02

If memory serves there is only one B747 stand on the eastern after the last re-mark, but it is diagonal-cant remember last time we had anything that big on it though, much easier to use 120/121/122!

[email protected] 3rd Oct 2007 12:29

is there anything in the pipeline from the Routes forum in Stockholm?

are the airport going to remark the new apron to the west of the pier? And looking at it, has it been designed to add a second floor to it for air bridges?


Flyboy543 4th Oct 2007 17:51

Just seen on another forum the details of TCX fleet for summer 08 and EMA should be getting 2 x A320, presumably the My Travel A320 and the TCX is downsizing from B757 to an A320.

Also the TOM cargo schedule has been updated for winter 07, looks like EMA has 1 x B757 and 2 x B738 for winter plus the usual B763 doing BGI for the cruises every now and again. Haven't looked at it in too much detail but new routes for this winter include CMF, MIR and SZG. All have TOM flight nos so not sure what the FCA is doing over winter yet. Will post more info if i can find some.

tweentown 5th Oct 2007 17:05

Ryanair 2008
Ryanair flights from EMA for Summer 08 are now on sale. The current situation seems to be:-

1. All routes operated in Summer 2007 are available again next year.

2. New routes for 2008 are POZ (3/wk) BHD (13/wk) ALC (4/wk) BUD (4/wk) ORK (7/wk) RIX (3/wk) TFS (1/wk) and VLC (4/wk). All these new routes have been previously announced.

3. This equals 160 flights per week compared to 126 per week this summer - an increase of 27%.

4. The schedule requires full utilisation of 6 based aircraft. Services from/to Madrid, Shannon and Alicante will be operated by out-based aircraft.

The above is based on the schedule for July 2008.

Whether there are more routes and based aircraft to come as rumoured on this thread, we will have to wait and see.

OliWW 5th Oct 2007 21:10

Good news for Ryanair...

Do know of any possible future routes?...

Do you think we could have possibly had bmibaby expand to Salzburg this coming winter, Ryanair have reduced it from 4x Weekly last year to once weekly this year, quite a big downsize...

dumdumbrain 6th Oct 2007 17:23

Well with Belfast going 13 times a week, and the endless sale of 1p seats, can Baby ride this out or is the route for the axe?

Yes it is good news for both Ryanair and EMA with all the new flights, some 160 a week, plus more to come yet, just goes to go Ryanair is willing to put in the investment into EMA.

I see UKIA was on the central ramp again yesterday.


Tisme 7th Oct 2007 21:41

Why should they axe BFS, Ryanair go into BHD Baby go into BFS.

And that would be the seat sale that ends on Monday.

finding_nema 8th Oct 2007 01:36

I think the point trying to be made is that bmibaby don't have exactly a great reputation when it comes to competing with Ryanair. ORK, NOC, BCN, MJV, PSA, BGY, DUB, regional France etc. are all routes where they either haven't been able to make it work whereas Ryanair have, or they've ran off from the competition. Whether it's lack of commercial sensibilities or a product consumers have confidence in, or both, Ryanair will blow baby out of the water.

dumdumbrain 8th Oct 2007 04:02

Ryanair always has a seat sale (noticed the endless 0.49 fares on Baby), plus the tickets on BHD will be kept extra lower till its Bye Bye Baby again.

I would take the summer 2008 timetable with a pinch of salt at the moment, TFS is only planed at the moment for once a week on a sat. And with this being such a good route, high spenders aswell you can be sure it will go go back to twice a week if not more for the summer.


Little Blue 8th Oct 2007 11:19

HA !!!
You guys crack me up.
You should be a double act !

dumdumbrain 8th Oct 2007 11:31

Please stick to issues about EMA, not personal comments. If you mean the belfast issue, im sure we will have the last laugh in the Ryanair crew room


Little Blue 8th Oct 2007 12:10

I wasn't aware that you are now the moderator for this thread, and remember what I told you about biting?
At 13 flights a week I don't think that baby have too much to worry about.
Anyway, maybe baby (pardon the unintentional pun) have their eyes a bit further afield !?

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