East Midlands
 

Has East Midlands fell off the edge of the world or is it really that quite at the moment?

How can it fall off, it is in the middle of the country?

Apologies if this sounds like a spotter question, but does anyone know what happened with tonight's FR from Granada - diverted to Bristol and is expected into EMA at 23.30. (The aircraft in question is EI-CSW)

FR1733 22:00 Granada/Bristol Diverted to Bristol Estimated EMA 23:30

Thanks in advance
SAM-EMA

Ah, that'll be East Midlands West :eek:

Stoney ;)

Nah Birmingham South!:E

While still not answering the original question, thought I should chip in with

London (Bristol) :D

I wonder if many flights were missed last night with all the traffic problems around the airport.

It seems the roadworks have appeared to started work on every road around the airport, so any accidents on the M1 and its gridlocked.

Well taking a peek on the Ryanair thed checking myself indeed on the Ryanair website thru the booking engine Malaga has appeared as a destination from EMA. As yet no mention of press release and with all the problems lately with the website/crewdock who knows.


Regards

Rynair
 

service mon and fri fr4458/59 15.55 return 22.05
checking the timetable as the 6 based aircraft flights for pm this will still leave room for one more new service.

regards
stuart

ryanair-malaga
 

hey stu the malaga service is to relace the mon&fri service to budapest very strange that the malaga service finishes start of september where budapest restarts on those days cheers paul

thats Ryanair just playing clever - they are moving in on the bucket and spade routes slowly now. During peak holiday time they are taking away a city break or VFR destination and replacing it with a sunshine route, which will be full on each flight. Plus the excess charges on bucket and spades are a lot higher for FR than a city route. More luggage to check-in, more excess from people going on holiday, more PB's for families and more fools not reading the website and saying they will WebCheck.

Good move for FR, maybe a test as well before next summer. Baby should be a little worried. Seems as though FR could really move in fast if they are not careful. Although I know Baby has a superior product in terms of customer service etc, they cant match Ryanair's low fares and im afraid to say everybody is feeling the pinch this year, so if FR are cheaper - pax will move that way.

Airport pax feb 2008
 

Good to see a 19.2% increase for feb 2008 and allowing for 29 day month this year it still shows 15.00% on same month last year,
Plus with each area i.e. sch euro flights, sch dom flights and i.t.charter flights all showing good increase.
The increase in i.t charter flights is very large when you look at the uk market this may make East midlands the only uk airport with a large i.t charter % in 2008.
regards
stuart

I hear the Latcharter acft is back soon to finish off the winter for KM, b 4 the XL unit starts. Have XL confirmed this unit yet as it was still up in the air a few weeks back ?

February Pax - Update
 

The CAA's Provisional statistics for February show an even better performance for the month than originally indicated by those initially published by the airport, the revised total being 417,389 an increase of 26.1%, bringing the running 12 month total to 5,540,808 + 14.2%

For those interested in stats, last year's freight total was 304,920 tonnes, an increase of 1.55% on 2006, and 2008 started off with a good month, January's total being 25,363 tonnes, up 3.95%

Cologne
 

Sorry if this is old news, but I see BMI will fly from East Midlands to Cologne this summer.

February Pax
 

I think I'd treat the CAA figures with a bit of caution until the final results are published. They also show an infeasibly large 48% increase in air transport movements - seems to be a bit of double counting somewhere!

CARGO
 

Checking the airport cargo website and thy say the airport can handle 6 b747 cargo aircraft together,
Is this the only airport in the uk other than LHR that as this?, the airports of MAN,STN,LGW have not got this ability,
Can anybody confirm this is correct.

regards
stuart

MAN certainly has with about a dozen 747 capable remote stands. Some of these - 5 or 6 - are equipped with tie down points to stabilise the aircraft during loading/unloading if a tail stabiliser is not used. I think they all have hydrant fuel and fixed ground power too and with several handling agents available, handling is not an issue. Certainly quite common to see 3-4 747F being handled at MAN at once.

Suzeman

Its also common to see 3or 4 at Prestwick also

Stansted has 8 x B747 cargo capabable on south side (includes Fedex area). But unlikely it would happen in practice due other non-B747 freight operators parking requirements. I believe Northside has 2 or 3 B747 capable.

MANX2
 

As a result of sales achieved since launching the route Manx2 are to add a Saturday morning rotation from 17th May arriving at EMA 10.00 - NM411/2

manx 2
 

Thanks balair on that info, as a tour operator i thought a sat was main day for booking hotels in the I.O.M.
Now we could do with flights back for GCI AND NQY, should suite a airline with 19/30 seats as clients ask for flights to GCI AND NQY from EMA.

To all who replied ref b747f at PIK/MAN/STN thanks

regards
stuart

Gci / Nqy?
 

I would think it rather unlikely that these routes would be viable from EMA given that FlyBe have been flying from BHX to GCI for several years (1-2 flights per day) & start to NQY next week (with launch deal fares as low as £0, just paying taxes only at c.£44 return). Given that BHX is not that far away down the M42 are they really economical for the aircraft type & airline (Eastern) being suggested here? Their market is business traffic & these are really more leisure destinations.

Could someone please confirm that NM uses the SWM on IOM-EMA-IOM? Cheers.

Gci And Nqy
 

Chalfont flyer
As a tour operator if the client asks to depart from east midlands airport and thy live in the area thy will fly on the best service and as the options are birmingham airport most clients do not like BHX the airport has a very bad name and i have seen for myself what BHX does to pax over the past years.

Airlines best suited for gci and nqy would be AIR SOUTHWEST,BLUE ISLAND,MANX 2,AIR ATLANTIC.

regards
stuart

Well, what does it do? Eat 'em? Sell them into slavery? It's about time that you got the Birmingham chip off your shoulders on the East Midlands thread sonny.

Gci / Nqy
 

Stuart,

I don't doubt that your clients would prefer to fly from the airport nearest where they live. However the question here really is are they prepared to pay the premium the airlines you mention would probably have to charge for tickets vs. FlyBe ex BHX?

In the current economic climate, I would doubt it.

CF

Hey, seen builders moving in onto the medium stay car park near the Prestige building, they've closed the road next to the terminal and re-routing traffic the other side. Anybody know what the airport are doing?

As I understand, the new apron is to become FR exclusive, with a high-level walkway to arrivals although I am not sure if this is related to this or not. But what I don't understand is that the apron only holds 6 B738 sized aircraft, but by this time next year FR should have 10 a/c based. This building work may involve the extension of the apron into the medium stay car park, as previous mentioned in the thread a while back.

Hope this helps
SAM-EMA

Bit of wishful thinking there Sam I fear.

Since FR have publicly made such big commitments to BHX I doubt that EMA will see 10 based aircraft within a year.

No wishful thinking here - all info is sourced.

SAM

Where did you get the info from? Have you got any idea on timescale and new routes?

I have to agree with egnxema, FR's previous plans may have been to expand at EMA, but now they have fallen back into bed with BHX I suspect their plans may have changed somewhat; you only have to look at FR's website to see where they are now focusing their attention!

The UK homepage features flights for STN, LPL and BRS with the EMA section now replaced by BHX, even though they only currently offer 22 routes against EMA's 36; further more when you "click here for more routes" flights from EMA still are not shown...?

With the current economic climate and the duplication of some routes at these airports, I suspect you may see a gradual transfer of the thinner routes over to BHX, I think the best EMA can hope for in the near future is the retention of FR's six based aircraft.

I am only passing on info that I have been informed of by an FR emplyee who works for FR at EMA. He says to expect 2 more a/c in the autumn and 2 more next spring, making 10. He says that the new apron will become FR exclusive with a high-level walkway to arrivals and apparently all this is as well as FR's plans for BHX. Although I am passing on what I have been told, it wouldn't surprise me to be honest. FR have invested much in EMA over the last few years and I do not expect them to just jump ship to BHX. As i say I am only passing on what I have been told, and this is a rumour network after all.

SAM-EMA

Ryanair
 

Ten based units by next year does sound a lot considering the BHX base.

Assuming that all four arrive and they do six sectors a day minimum and
each aircraft does the same destination Mo We Fr Sun and another destination Tu Th, Sa for each morning, afternoon and evening rotation, then is that 24 new routes for these 4 aircraft?

Okay some will run daily such as Malaga, Palma, Alicante (possibly PIK double daily but that would be a risky one), you could still be looking at
18 -21 new destinations and this seems crazy with a new base nearby.

I thought that they might have gone after Sterling with Scandinavian destinations but the pax loads thus far on OSL, CPH & ARN will see them off without any FR input unless they improve quickly (I know it has been winter but average loads between 50 and 70? is low to say the least).

I thought aircraft 7 was rumoured by dumdumbrain for late 2007 or Spring 2008 but that never happened despite the culling of Stansted routes, it all suggests a change of strategy in the Midlands.

You can see aircraft seven arriving to go after baby & easy on the core Spanish routes and possibly number eight for a mix of Scandinavia destinations and others but ten just sounds too much in such a short space of time.

Pete

OltenPete
 

A seventh unit to go after easy & baby? your having a laugh...........

Ryanair do very well where, they are the only airline you can fly with or your from Eastern Europe or a pikey, but against Easy or even baby your having a laugh. Both companies know their markets and customers well and if you think Ryanairs (utter contempt) for their passengers will apeal to Easy or baby pax, then think again, BHX is a huge gamble for Ryanair, in simple terms they have nowhere else to go, think about it what else could they do? the days of airports being prostitutes for MOL are fast coming to end. I fully expect another profit warning before the summer is out and MOL will be gone in a year, because if they don't perform whats the point of having a loud mouth lout running your company, if you deliver the results you can sit at the board room table and play with your self and get away with it, fail to deliver and your just another w***er and history

Ryanair
 

Facelookbovvered

If ryanair still have aircraft to place do you not think they will go daily
on Palma (none yet), Malaga (3 a week mid summer I think), daily Alicante (now 3 a week) and offer fares at £50 return to hurt the competition.

The punters will say that you very much skip baby & easy and where
does that leave them. easy still 3 based units (some chopping and
changing of routes) but probably have the resources to see it out to a point but do baby?

I am no fan of ryanair due to their aggressive nature but have you checked the CAA stats for Belfast from East Mids? Ryanair have taken 2000 out of Baby's Aldergrove operation in Feb and as much as I love baby will they be able to offer three flights a day for much longer.

True the FR's figures are not that good either but baby's 2000 pax have gone somewhere and FR's x thousand have come from somewhere (yes some will be speculative day trippers but not all) and it will be interesting to see who blinks first.

easy blinked first on the Rome and we will have to wait and see re the
Malaga & Alicante with the three operators come mid summer.

Pete