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Mike16 5th Sep 2007 14:09


Oh thanks for that, for one minute i thought we had a new Airline then, wondered why that is coming here then and going to there ?
Would this be like a chartered flight for some rich person do you think ?

I also heard EMA on the news today about this so called wind farm at the airport, well at least they are trying to go down the friendly enviroment route, and does anyone have any more news on carriers at EMA that may be coming or going ?

I do hope EZY don't go, i was cabin crew with them for a couple of years, and they are a great bunch there and the flights were always full, oh what good times i had there...... lol

Anyway take care


[email protected] 5th Sep 2007 14:18


The flight actually ran to St Nazaire last week also



Mike16 5th Sep 2007 14:35


My god you guys are soo quick today, i think you have all had 3 x shredded wheat !
Is this a new weekly service then ?
Personally i have never heard of that area, but a quick search on google did help, seems to be a french destination for probably the war veterans.

So any news on the UKIA flights ?


EGAC_Ramper 5th Sep 2007 16:51

Don't forget that the rugby world cup is starting soon and I believe some teams are stopping near the Nantes/St.Nazaire region including Ireland. Might be in connection with that who knows.

owenkirk2005 5th Sep 2007 16:58

well UKIA have been granted there AOC today which is big step further, any ideas on what they have to go through now to be able to start flying passengers?

well done UKIA!

Mike16 5th Sep 2007 18:18

Hi Guys

Great News.....

Well when do they start and advertise ?
I am all for this Airlne and i do think that if they advertise in the right way and market themselves well, This will be a good scoop for EMA.

A few months back someone mentioned on an old EMA thread that there was a possible carrier interested in a USA flight (s) from EMA, does anyone know anymore on this ?

Well take care all of you.


SAM-EMA 5th Sep 2007 19:52

Does anyone have any idea, how bookings for Sterling's new routes, and also FR's new routes are doing, as they are starting next month?

Thanks in advance

dumdumbrain 5th Sep 2007 20:07

The Ryanair new routes are doing very well. . . . the best is TFS, but this was expected, Belfast is doing very well. The Irish do like to fly with an Irish airline. Riga looks like its going to be full on piss heads on the weekend flights, im looking forward to flying to Riga myself for a few days.

I just wish we did more German routes from EMA, at the end of the day Germany is the Uks biggest trading partner in Europe. I don't think it will be too long untill ATH is a route from EMA. It's a crying shame we don't fly to Paris when you look at the endless French routes we fly.


*your friendly unoffical EMA Ryanair PR machine :E

ALTSEL 5th Sep 2007 20:11

So what are baby planning to do???????

finding_nema 5th Sep 2007 22:37

:mad: all would be my first answer and realistic guess knowing tiny town. In all seriousness they'll probably try to compete for a little while, realise that baby doesn't have the cost base or competitive edge to compete and retreat a bit more to BHX. It's a shame as with the right tools we have a product that really works, but there isn't the investment to match.

EGAC_Ramper 6th Sep 2007 00:48

thats the only thing i totally agree with competiotion but i feel ryanair have captured the market

EGAC_Ramper 6th Sep 2007 00:51

I agree in al honestly but i accept FR's fare. Ryanair do bring great fares in nrn iron!!

dumdumbrain 6th Sep 2007 18:02

I have to agree with the last few above comments, Ryanair has changed the market, and brings low fares to everyone and new exciting routes. Baby could have a nice product, but the way it treats its staff is just totally wrong. A sign tiny town is runing scared.

However i am a fan of BMI, brings alittle bit of class to EMA.


finding_nema 6th Sep 2007 19:03

I'm speechless as to how bmibaby brings class to East Midlands Airport ...

There is going to be a shake up of the flying schedule for bmibaby this winter to optimise profits and competitiveness, but everything from Tiny Town is very non-committed and quiet.

dumdumbrain 6th Sep 2007 19:15

lol i was more thinking of the BMIs route to Brussles, but i guess when you get the farm foods bunch in the grandad knitwear range, it kinda loses it touch. Baby can try, but times up, too little too late. . .

oh and on a final note, i dont think it will be long till belfast is twice daily :D


bmia330 7th Sep 2007 00:14

dumdum...... do us all a favour and stop posting such crap on here!!

There is no need for such comments surely?

dumdum...... everyone has a right to an opinion, but you are over stepping the mark and some of us are sick of you!

Modorators............. if I am out of line, then ban me!!

Mike16 7th Sep 2007 06:43

Hi Guys
I do hope everyone is ok, I read this forum everyday and have been a user for a few years now.
I was Cabin crew at EMA with Easyjet and only left a short while ago.
Dum Dum i admire you for your commitment to Ryanair and loyalty for which you show, I was very dedicated to Easyjet myself,and supported and still do all the way to this day.
What i do not like is the way you slate BMIbaby down, you are only Cabin crew not cheif flight planning officer, saying things like, i think BHD will go twice a day very soon, it may well do, but you come on here like you are the Big wig of FR, please do not state facts until you do have evidence.
Also BMIbaby and Easyjet are quite different when it comes to Aircraft, Ezy have brand new airbus and the BMIbaby team have the smaller boeing 737.
I personally flew with FR last month and i have to say, on both flights we were severly delayed which i know at EMA is a bit rare.
I felt the cabin crew were rude and i did struggle to understand them as there english skills were quite poor, the state of the aircraft was messy, with a chocolate wrapper and small can of pop still at the side of my chair from the previous flight and the way you advertise on your aircraft, i did feel like i was sat on a bus or on the subway, it just looked tacky, i know all companies advertise and have to market themselves, PS, i now work in Marketing for a very large USA company, so i know what i am saying, but on FR there would literally posters on every overhead locker.
You mention about people who shop at Farmfoods and in wooly clothes !!!!
Is this your clientle ?
I found myself on EZY that we had a very broad range of PAX from business people, day trippers, the elderly, second home owners, foriegners and even the odd celebrity, yes i met a few !!!!!
I also imagine WW would be the same too really, my close work mate flew WW last week to PMI and was very impressed by them, the level of service, the timings of the flights and the crew.
Dum Dumb you seem to come on here and slate of hardworking folk off, call there Airline etc..... We are all equal and do the best to make EMA stand out in such hard times.
On a positive note, nice to see the UKIA is doing well !!!!!!!! and any news on American carriers ?????

finding_nema 7th Sep 2007 12:21

I admire the fact that someone can be so proud of their employer, and when your employer is Ryanair you have a lot to be proud of. The airline has radically changed the aviation industry in Europe, both for fare paying customers and also in the way that airlines are run to be more efficient. Locally at EMA they have turned pax figures around after a continuing slump in the reigns of baby. They will continue to grow, at the expense of bmibaby more than anyone else at EMA. You only have to look at the way baby have made a cack-handed job at their French, Spanish, Italian and Irish route networks when Ryanair even came remotely close to sniffing. With BHD probably going twice daily alongside LDY - FR have Northern Ireland covered. ALC will go daily, and AGP has been strongly rumoured- baby is running out of places to run with the exception of the Scottish shuttles. bmibaby was born out of an ill-conceived idea to ward off Go from EMA, and the general lack of management or direction, plus the hideous gilets, goes to show that eventually Ryanair's performance will be enough to kill them or at least transfer everything to BHX ... eventually.

The Real Slim Shady 7th Sep 2007 20:21

Leaving dumdumbrain out of it, the harsh reality is that Baby, Regional or bmi cannot compete with FR.

If MOL decides to take Baby, or any of the others, out of the equation at EMA or anywhere else for that matter, he has the liquidity and bollocks to do it.

So just consider yourselves lucky at EMA at the moment: by the time FR have 11 jets at EMA, and if they go EMA - CRL, PMI or any other existing Baby route, WW are well and truly knackered: FR have deeper pockets and will simply price WW out of the game.

Harsh but reality.

PS And before any loudmouth thinks otherwise, consider how much liquidity FR are sitting on. FR could buy bmi outright and have enough left to buy VS and probably BA too.

flyer2308 8th Sep 2007 15:44

i see FR flight to Limoges delayed over 4 hours today!!!
just wondered what the reason is ... tech problems?
also EZY and TOM have delays too.
WW on time!! i thought baby were always delayed? well it has been said by someone on here?

just wondered is the renault world series at donnington affecting things at all? heard the roads have been busy around the airport today!

owenkirk2005 8th Sep 2007 16:24

yes its busy down there, one way system down to M1.

Abusing_the_sky 8th Sep 2007 16:45

Limoges delay
The flight is delayed because whilst on turn around in MJV (the a/c operated MJV-LIG) , a baggage handler took his HiViz off when loading the bags and the HiViz got sucked in the engine's airvents...

That's what i've been told.

Take care.:ok:

dumdumbrain 8th Sep 2007 17:18

I txt one of the of the crew on the ema-mjv-ema-lig-ema and that was something like that can not give details, but someone cocked up, can not say why. . . . but it means some of the crew will be out of hours, their goes my home standby tomorrow :ugh:

i was told a different crew might do the lig, because that ac does


or well we all have delays sometimes, somethings we can not control by buying new aircraft and pushy staff who make sure we depart on time.

One the main question which still aint been answered is if Ryanair is to bring 11/13 a/c to EMA within a year where are these going to go. . . . if new ramp space boarding gates are to be built in time, someone in planning will have to get a move on and start asap.


tui doll 9th Sep 2007 10:13

It took me 2 1/2 hours yesterday to get to the airport which normally only takes me 10 mins - it was hell! Our TOM flight was delayed by approx 3 hours

finding_nema 9th Sep 2007 10:52

A good place to start with some of those stands might be some of the ones that baby are currently using. The company has advised staff that there are to be changes to fleet numbers and schedules to optimise revenue, and with the fleet going down from 21 to 18 over the winter networkwide, perhaps it might be fewer aircraft with a tighter schedule for baby.

Ryanair are changing the way that the airport operates. Stand 12 which was always a coaching stand was changed at the beginning of the season to a walking one if there were less than 100 pax onboard, now it is regularly a walking stand - same with Stand 7. I had heard for night-stopping aircraft, and provided you had sufficient numbers of staff on the various crossings, that Stands 4 - 6 could end up the same. Also that Ryanair want to practically rebrand the Eastern Lounge (Gates 1 - 5) with Ryanair branding everywhere.

Personally I don't think EMA-CRL would have any effect on the regional BRU route, instead finding a totally different market. The pax that travel on that service pay a lot of money for a hassle-free service; express security lanes, lounge access, free catering, aircraft side baggage pick-up, going straight into BRU. The route was baby for two seasons and Brussels is still a destination where there is sufficient high-yield traffic for a full-service product.

END BAG 9th Sep 2007 10:58

East Midlands 6
Hi All
The renault car racing event caused chaos at the airport yesterday with nearly every flight delayed due to crew or cabin staff stuck in the jams. when the departure time for the thomson came they were still 60!!!! passengers down and it was nearly 3 hours late by the tme it left. I live in castle don and i have just been down to the shops and once again the road system is gridlocked as far as the eye can see!! Anybody at work in the next couple of hours needs to set off NOW!!!!! it seems the racetrack struugles to cope with big events but the knock on effect to the airport is noy good .I dont know how many people lost their holidays through yesterdys chaos but i bet thre were quite a few. The event was only shown as having an effect on the traffic on sunday but apparently thousands of FREE tickets were made available for yesterday thus causing the problems.On a more positive note theUKIA 767 departed on a positoning flight to BRUSSELS las night on what could be its first revunue earning flight as it was suppsed to be operating a BRUSSELS-AGADIR rotation today for thomson/tui according to the engineer :D:D

OltonPete 9th Sep 2007 12:20

BMI Baby winter 2007/8

The BMI Baby three (maintenance?) aircraft are two BHX based (going from 8 to 6 based) and there is currently one spare (occasionally).

This spare should have now have been EDI based operating into BHX at 8 in the morning and going back at 2030. This just vanished from schedules in August, yet the billboards on the A45 near BHX are advertising EDI five a day and GLA four. However these flights now seem to start on 29/10.

The based aircraft when I last looked for winter 2007/8: -

BHX 6 based
EMA 5 Based
MAN 4 based
CWL 3 based
EDI 1 Based

This obviously adds up to 19 but I assume the 3rd unit will not be taken out until another arrives unless something is about to change.

There is no spare if three are on maintenance but there are so many holes in the schedules that most tech delays can be covered in the day due to aircraft downtime and I think a Manchester aircraft has some early morning downtime until the Geneva starts. I must admit the schedule looked a mess for utilization purposes, with BHX the best out of a bad lot.

The amount of rumours circulating is getting ridiculous and it will be interesting to see if there is at least one announcements in the next few weeks but something seems to be brewing.

The East Mids schedule could be done with four aircraft except for the fact EDI, GLA, BFS, CDG & AMS are all at least double daily. Someone mentioned another regional 145 coming to be based and I was wondering whether it would be used on one of these such as CDG (again).


finding_nema 9th Sep 2007 12:30

I can only go on a thank you memo given out to all of us in baby ground services last week at EMA about forthcoming changes to the flying programme. Tiny Town doesn't usually inspire confidence with forward thinking management ideas, and doubt that this winter season is going to change anything. I can't see bmi regional returning on the CDG, considering that baby is the final stand of the bmi group at the airport, all other routes having been closed when mainline pulled off of the LHRCDG route. The route always bears the brunt of slot and scheduling delays, but with the loads and support can't see it going anywhere any time soon.

OltonPete 9th Sep 2007 16:24

BMI Baby Winter 2007/8

Thank you for the information, I trust there will be some schedule
changes announced shortly.

Of course Paris has been dropped from LHR and LBA I believe, so I suppose it is very unlikely that Regional will take it on and certainly
the CAA stats shows it justifies a 737 in respect of passengers flown
(yield I have no idea of).

I have only one flight booked with Baby at present and that is from
BHX so I am not particularly worried about any schedule changes just
interested to know what is going on as they are BHX's main airline
especially in respect of route development.


bmibaby.com 9th Sep 2007 19:05

I thought that the memo to ground services was all about optimising our presence at East Midlands, for all we know that could mean growing as much as it means downsizing. bmibaby wouldn't be here five years later if we weren't doing something right, and I don't think EMA gives the best image of what baby is capable of. I had to work out of BHX recently, and T1 is practically bmibaby - a very visible check-in area, adverts everywhere, shuttle trains all bmibaby branded - all with some very exciting destinations. Although EMA is the actual and spiritual base of bmibaby with Tiny Town here, why risk competing with a known predator like Ryanair when you can stick to safe routes and be riskier down the road where your main competitor is a carrier undergoing merger pains? I think we're pretty safe at five aircraft, as long as we keep on top of what Ryanair are doing as and when they compete directly.

dumdumbrain 10th Sep 2007 09:30

I agree, I think Baby should stop at BHX and expand where it's safe. Ryanair can be very hostile to any other airline that creeps on to its routes or markets. . . . either with its huge cash funds to price another airline out, or with adverts, ie "BYE BYE BABY" aircraft which was meant to be based at EMA but was quickly moved on by EMA managers when Baby got upset by it.

Is Baby going to keep its own staff at the boarding gate. . . .

So many people missed flights yesterday it was a joke, about 50 missed the DNR.

With Ryanair new flights, Sterling, UKIA starting in the next few months, growth of the airport should be very impressive.


bmibabyfc 10th Sep 2007 13:55

Yes, bmibaby will be keeping its own staff in EMA on the ground.....

emababy 10th Sep 2007 14:01

finding nema and dumdumbrain if you 2 actually knew anything that you were talking about you would be dangerous! finding nema winter gives some of the baby a/c chance to get some well deserved maintenance and dumdumbrain if your ryanair lot had a braincell between you you might be able to work out that your uniform aint exactly the greatest and actually see past them dodgey blue suits um lovely butlins reps here we come!

[email protected] 10th Sep 2007 14:32

Come on now, lets not get personal. Lee and Finding NEMA have there opinions, others have theres. lets keep this thread on track please.

Anyway, it was me mike who spoke about the American service a few months back. I havent heard anything for a while but i was been told that there is a possability of a mar / apr 09 start date for a JFK service and wont be CO.

I still feel a link to a major European hub is required with worldwide connections a major requirement. Could Lufthansa run a few A320's over to FRA Daily?? or KLM to AMS 3 times daily???



Mike16 10th Sep 2007 15:14


Wel lfingers crossed for thr JFK, that would be great !!!! i for one would deffo book for that one.

I wonder who it could be, if not CO ? imagain VS up here, i do miss them and there training flights, now that would be nice to hav them doing a daily JFK, oh we can dream...... lol

Good news on UKIA, i did have doubts about this one, but lets be positive all good news for EMA.

How are stering doing with there flights, i went to see some relatives on Sunday in Melbourne Cemetry and i could not beleive what i saw in the grounds of the cemetry on the Notice board, an advert for Sterling !!!!
I know it is pro active marketing, but in a graveyard ????
Well i suppose it is different, a new kind of PAX i suppose.... pmsl

Take care guys


finding_nema 10th Sep 2007 17:16

I don't wear the Ryanair uniform, until recently in fact I was an (at the time) fairly proud owner of the gilet variety, drinking the Tiny Kool Aid. The problem is that bmibaby is not a forward thinking low cost carrier who are doing anything to protect their market share from being eroded at their home base. Instead there's a mentality that all is well and people will fly us because we've always been there and we have assigned seats. Sadly this is no longer the case, especially when your main competitor is Ryanair. They're slim, quick to react and competitive. Ryanair have the airport over a barrel right now, they can demand what they want because they're bringing in the most pax and expanding the route network. baby meanwhile have a small concentrated fleet of tech, ageing aircraft and a management who don't want to take any commercial risks - which means Ryanair have them backed into a corner. Although baby have their core routes now, how long will it really be before Ryanair add Scottish destinations or Malaga? People won't stick with baby for diamond club miles and assigned seats, especially with baby's OTP.

Fried_Chicken 10th Sep 2007 18:57

Ryanair have the airport over a barrel right now
Has anybody thought about how all this (aggressive) Ryanair expansion may actually be a bad thing in the general sum of things.

How long till Ryanair is the major (or only?) operator at EMA having forced out many or all its competitors?

As the above quote say's, Ryanair would def' have the airport over the barrel then

Fried Chicken

dumdumbrain 11th Sep 2007 08:43

I dont think Ryanair will ever be the only airline at EMA, look at STN, both Ryanair and easyJet have STN as a massive base. New airlines are starting at EMA Sterling and UKIA. . . .

Yes Ryanair can be very hostile towards other airlines and public figures, esp those in the Irish government, but at the end of the day it's a business.

Plus Ryanair is very good and getting media interest, either good or bad. . even are inflight service, every single flight someone will win a *free return flight, and the landing PA most number ones have included telling pax about are new routes.

As I have said before only time will tell what will happen with EMA, number one thing we can be sure of its new routes and increased growth.

Can someone tell me if this is true, I got told a few weeks ago by someone who I work with, Ryanair was told when it first started at EMA that it would not be allowed to do PIK-EMA and CRL-EMA to protect BMI routes . . . . . any truth in this?


Charlie Roy 11th Sep 2007 10:10

it would not be allowed to do PIK-EMA and CRL-EMA
Ryanair can do these routes, but must pay full wack in fees etc, and the deal is probably that they'll lose their reduced fees on other EMA routes if they start these routes.

gate 22 11th Sep 2007 10:14

Ryanair can do these routes, but must pay full wack in fees etc, and the deal is probably that they'll lose their reduced fees on other EMA routes if they start these routes.

Why did they not apply this to Belfast - just as a matter of interest

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