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Flyboy543 18th Sep 2007 22:56

Anyway it aint the baggage handlers (some of which are actually fit )
nice to know we're good at something ! :ok:

Re EndBag, I too always address the pilots as 'Sir' never 'mate' or whatever. There are times when i have been very polite and got a right mouthfull off the captain that because he came in 20 mins early doesn't understand that he can't go out 2o mins early due to check in closing at the same time!

I would agree with bmibaby, not realy enough room for a 3rd agent. There isn't enough parking for equipment as it is let alone if a 3rd agent comes along, and where are their offices going to go? Although the space inside the old Prestige space is a bit wasted I think.

S78 19th Sep 2007 08:34

Servisair and RYR
"Also Ryanair don't use them that much really, STN is swissport which handle some 40 odd a/c, same with BHX"

Servisair handle Ryanair at BHX - Guess you don't fly into BHX very often.....


dumdumbrain 19th Sep 2007 08:40

But would this third agent, have the room once the new stands are built? And if EMA wants more based a/c at it will have to build new stands for summer 08, i know it sounds along way off but the building of new stands is not something that can be done in a few weeks.

When my friend last spoke to someone at Menzies, he was told that menzies ain't interested in Ryanair.


Sorry S78 my mistake, the last time i was at BHX was when I did BHX-PMI with Mytravelshite

North Stand Tier3 19th Sep 2007 08:50

"Although the space inside the old Prestige space is a bit wasted I think."

Thomas Cook lads'll love that-don't think they'll ever fit a 757 in there though!

I'll get me coat................

finding_nema 19th Sep 2007 08:51

I don't know if the issue is that Menzies don't want the Ryanair contract, it's more a case that to take on such a large contract overnight would practically double Menzies' operation, and that Ryanair is a very demanding contract. On the other hand, their operation at EMA is predominantly LCC-orientated, and the company has been adding new airlines every year, including easyJet who operate a similar business model. In the meantime, surely Servisair would be trying their utmost to keep the Ryanair contract as it's their largest, and they have a practically nationwide contract with them - STN excluded and aviance lost the BHX contract. With regards to a third handling agent, as mentioned with passenger airlines as opposed to any cargo contracts, there are only five big contracts at EMA plus the odd charter. Would the Ryanair contract alone be enough reason for a third company to come to the airport? Parking and office space is at a premium at the moment, and most of the contracts for the handling agents at EMA are tight margin low-cost and charter airlines.

almost professional 19th Sep 2007 09:05

more concrete before the anticipated extra aircraft is unlikely, but there are ways to make greater use of the existing stands-remarking is just one possibility

finding_nema 19th Sep 2007 09:11

Exactly, we could have much better utilisation for example of the stands around the new pier, the main problem with them is that they're coaching stands which none of the low-cost carriers want to pay for, otherwise it's a nice, simple functioning extension to the departure lounge which ought to be perfect for fast turnaround operations.

[email protected] 19th Sep 2007 09:55

Ryanair now confirm EMA - ORK and PIK - ORK.

Offering a daily rotation except saturday by the looks, being operated by EMA and PIK based aircraft

dumdumbrain 19th Sep 2007 10:47

I did say ORK a few days ago ;), and its being done by a EMA based a/c, yet another new route for Ryanair from EMA. I don't see any more new routes coming from a EMA a/c untill be get more.


JulietNovemberPapa 19th Sep 2007 13:27

EMA-ORK-EMA is 5x weekly. Won't operate on Wed or Sat.

bmibaby.com 19th Sep 2007 15:47

Good news with ORK, is that replacing an existing route or is it being squeezed somewhere into the schedule?

Considering the handling situation, you've got to remember that at the end of every season when there's contracts up in the air, there are always lots of rumours about who is gaining or losing what. I personally don't see a third handling agent coming in simply because the airport doesn't really have the room for more offices or GSE, and I seriously wonder whether Ryanair alone, 6 aircraft or not, is enough of a reason for a handling agent to set up a new base. On the other hand when I was at BHX, Swissport seem to have taken over in a very short space of time, having only handled Air 2000 and Monarch a few years ago to now being the major handling agent.

finding_nema 19th Sep 2007 16:38

I think some flights might be squeezed into the existing schedule, as some DUB flights are going back to being operated by DUB-based aircraft. Swissport, or Groundstar, only came into BHX for the Air 2000 contract, and into STN for the Go contract - yet at both airports they are now one of, if not the, biggest handling agents. Presumably space would be made for them if the other handling agents had to scale back somewhat.

Does anybody know if bmi will be basing an Airbus at EMA next summer again or if everything will be done by XL and Air Malta?

SAM-EMA 19th Sep 2007 16:43

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that XL are going to base their own a/c at EMA next summer (B738) and that the KM a/c was moving elsewhere. But if the BD A320 is also used, I pressume it would just do similar to what it has done this year.


JulietNovemberPapa 19th Sep 2007 16:59

I could only find the first flight on Sun later this year changing to DUB-based 73H.

owenkirk2005 19th Sep 2007 17:14

Looking at the dublin flights in march 08 the differences are the saturday afternoon flight and the sunday morning flight, both to be operated by Dublin based aircraft, everything else the same. Airport site says that it is a 4x weekly till february then daily february onwards. Bmibabay wont be happy about this as they operate cork from birmigham, and i know alot of people who travel down there and are delighted to have a flight from there local.

EGAC_Ramper 19th Sep 2007 23:35

As far as I'm aware the EMA based aircraft have lossed the Girona and Dublin flights to the namesakes based aircraft.


Mike16 20th Sep 2007 05:27

Hi Guys

Just had a look on EMA website as i have my mum and dad coming back home at dinner time from there holiday, and i noticed a flight departing
FQ9824 Heraklion 07:30 Check-in Now Desk 17-18

Who is this carrier then ?

Was jst being nosey to be honest, interesting about Easyjet and 2 new bases to be announced soon, as seen in Easyjet thread !!!
I do hope it will not be a BHX base.

I Do hope not as i did work as Cabin crew for Easyjet at eMA, and they have a great bunch of guys there and i just hope they make the base bigger.
Take care


virginblue 20th Sep 2007 09:35

The as yet unnamed new freight airline set up by Lufthansa and DHL will operate weekdaily from LEJ to EMA starting in spring 2009. Equipment of the new carrier will be 11 Boeing 777-200LRF.

bmibaby.com 20th Sep 2007 12:19

I think that the re-organisation of mainline out of LHR following the BMED merger might change how much charter capacity there is next summer for bmi. Charter is a very profitable part of the company, and has a product that a lot of people like, but with XL having their own order for more 737s and apparently a successful season with Air Malta, I'm not sure whether EMA will be a charter base next summer.

I'm interested to find out how the Q400 demonstrator did for regional and whether a second Embraer is coming, according to a memo to regional crews recently, the market is opening up for ERJs and regional are in the market, hopefully for EMA.

dionysius 20th Sep 2007 14:57

The new cargo carrier will initially operate with eleven new Boeing 777-200LRF aircraft. The aircraft will be leased and are scheduled for delivery from February 2009. The 2/3 cargo capacities of the new airline will be utilised by Lufthansa Cargo und DHL Express. The two partners will continue to take care of marketing and handling those capacities independently.

Pending the granting of traffic rights, the new airline will gradually expand its route network from the summer schedule 2009. On weekdays, it will be serving Singapore, Bangkok, Dubai, Bombay, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul, Nagoya, Almaty, East Midlands and Milan.
Looks like DHL will be operating a nightly 777-200RF in the future thru EMA.:ok:

bmibaby.com 23rd Sep 2007 11:39

Has anybody else heard that the baby GLA, BFS and EDI might be going down to twice daily like the AMS and CDG so we can launch a few new routes and cope with losing some of the 735s?

Also there's been a rumour going around about DHL's future at the airport and being interested only in their mega hub at CGN.

dionysius 23rd Sep 2007 12:14

Are DHL not going to move mega hub to Leipzig ??

OltonPete 23rd Sep 2007 12:39


The reduction of the EDI, GLA & BFS won't help with the loss of the 735's
as EMA will always need at least 5 based to operate the existing services to their full potential.

That's why when it was mentioned that another 145 was arriving for Regional I put 2 & 2 together and got 5, assuming that CDG would revert to BMI Regional ops.

The reduction in EDI/GLA & BFS could mean new routes though as the winter utilisation of the existing 5 based aircraft is very poor on certain days and it would leave scope for some more imaginative and longer flight-time destinations.

However rumours at the BHX end (for BHX) is just more aircraft and routes but not until next summer (due aircraft maintenance) and it might be at the expenses of other bases (again).


The DHL rumour has been floating around since Leipzig was announced but has been denied as just another case of 2+2=5. Whether this is true I do not know but Brussels is supposed to be the station most at risk.


Nimrod6 23rd Sep 2007 13:38

The DHL rumour has been floating around since Leipzig was announced but has been denied as just another case of 2+2=5. Whether this is true I do not know but Brussels is supposed to be the station most at risk.
Brussels is indeed the station that will lose out due to government decisions... whether BRU is being designated I do not know, but they will not support (or more to the point allow) the type of growth that DHL is forecasting... hence the new Leipzig 'superhub'. The problem is that freight logistics only works during the darker hours in order for JIT ops to work.

As for the rumoured 777's, mights have to dig a little deeper on that one... but it would be great if we could get more widebodies in (nighttime or not). Was a bit gutted when MAN scrounged the Fedex business but there are always more avenues to explore.

bmibaby.com 23rd Sep 2007 17:36

Sorry it may well have been Leipzig rather than Cologne, I've only heard second and third hand gossip from various people about DHL wanting to commit to their bases being in the German market, and their future in other bases including EMA are being examined. Certainly a lot of extra ramp and terminal space up there anyway ...

SAM-EMA 23rd Sep 2007 20:18

Anyone have any idea when the FR new routes announcement is due for the 2 new a/c next spring?

Anyone heard anything further about the American carrier?

And finally things look promising for UKIA.

Thanks a lot

JulietNovemberPapa 23rd Sep 2007 20:48

"Anyone have any idea when the FR new routes announcement is due for the 2 new a/c next spring?"

If they're going to be based from next spring, I'd say the announcement won't happen for another couple of months.

I'll be living 25 mins from EMA next year, and I'm particularly hoping that there will be more FR routes from EMA to Eastern Europe.

egnx_boi 24th Sep 2007 09:46

I spoke to one of the Fr engineers a week ago, he said EMA would be getting 1 more aircraft in February! 6 Months ago we were supposed to be having an extra 4 by February. Can anyone shed any light on when EMA are going to get extra Ryanair aircraft and why does the date keep slipping further and further away.

EGAC_Ramper 24th Sep 2007 10:26

None of us know and the only time we will know is when one day we turn up in work and there's and extra aircraft sittin there! :L

The Real Slim Shady 24th Sep 2007 11:20

There are only so many 738s to go around: some of the new jets are replacing the older ones and some are for new bases. With so many new bases coming on line the new jets for the next 4 or 5 months are tagged, hence, nothing new for EMA for a while.

tweentown 24th Sep 2007 11:59

Based on the RYR website 6 aircraft are required on certain days from November and 7 aircraft in February (again certain days only). The gerona route is down to be operated by GRO based aircraft on Tu Th Sa which seems to mean the additional aircraft is not needed on those days.Also the afternoon DUB will be a DUB aircraft.

Six aircraft are definitely needed from Feb 08 when there are increased frequencies on some routes and EGC and FNI routes return after the winter break. As it currently stands there will either have to be some timetable adjustments or if an additional aircraft is based there will be alot of gaps in the schedule.

Regarding DHL, I always understood LEJ was being set up as a base due to night flying restrictions at BRU. Didn't think this would affect the EMA hub although I think the rumour was that DHL Air (the UK based airline) may not continue as a seperate airline operation - I presumed it would be merged with EAT, but only a presumption. With regard to B777's there is an official press release on the DPWA (Deutsche Post) website which mentions EMA as being served - the new airline will be flying routes to Asia.

SAM-EMA 24th Sep 2007 14:33

Well we already have another 738 coming up from Stansted on the 26th October, I was just asking about the ones for the next round of expansion.


OltonPete 24th Sep 2007 23:13

Easyjet Rome down to 3 a week from Feb?
I said I would keep an eye on the Easy schedules but did not expect to
wait this long to see them adjusted!

Rome changes times and frequency (I think from Feb). Ops Tuesday
Thursday and Saturday only.

The weekday timings are 13.45/19.40.

Malaga has moved on the days the Rome operates in the week to 17.40/23.55.

What should be coming is a new route or increased frequency, as
the days the Palma does not operate there is room for another
flight (Mo,Wed & fri) unless this will be kept free for daily PMI.

At present it does not look as if there is going to be aircraft 4.


Powerjet1 26th Sep 2007 10:03

BCN. 4 x weekly with easy. Starts 7 Dec.

owenkirk2005 26th Sep 2007 11:45

From 7th December Rome reduced to 3x weekly, and Barcelona 4x weekly.

egnxema 26th Sep 2007 11:57

Excellent! - Great to see BCN back!

[email protected] 27th Sep 2007 07:16

Is there any further news on the rumoured VarigLog operation????

Is there any plans to remark stands on the East Cargo Ramp to make 747 stands????

Why hasnt the 6th Aircraft for Ryanair been announced??? are they just quietly moving it in at end of next month???



Mike16 27th Sep 2007 16:01

Hi Guys

Great News on EZY doing the Barcelona again, i use to love doing that flight, we use to do a Glasgow then a barcelona and that was my fav flight, i remember this the most as this was my FAM flight too, and the flight deck let me sit in the pitt for BCN and EMA landings and take off from BCN and it was great, never ever forget that..... Thanks flight deck.....

Plus also it is only a 2 hour flight....... i may just have to book for this one now, when do they start ?

Looks like Maria got it wrong again !!!!! always the same, they guys at EMA are a great bunch and i do wish them all the best, i still speak to a few especially Mr Lee who is great and such a laugh, he keeps begging me to go back there again, but i am old now at 36 !!!!!

Take care all


Wanabee,Gunnabee,Am 27th Sep 2007 16:14

EMA - CIA is not being reduced. It appears that it is being subcontracted on the days when the BCN operates. (SUN,MON, WED, FRI)

OltonPete 27th Sep 2007 17:51

Easyjet Rome
What do you mean it is going to be subcontracted?

You can't book Monday, Wednesdays & Fridays on my computer from December 2007, so it is going to be one empty plane from 7/12/07.

I assume you are not looking at the Easy timetable, as it is not the most reliable of sources for East Mids flights. The Geneva schedule was showing as winter 2006/7 the last time I looked.

East Mids has lost one destination and 10 flights and gained 10 flights and two destinations. Not quite sure what to make of what is going on.


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