Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
(Post 9720755)
Deeper investigation.
Did Kuwait Kick Out United Airlines In Retaliation Against US Government Non-Discrimination Rules? - View from the Wing As such they are currently prohibited from flying none stop services TO the US For some months KU117 has transited Shannon westbound however with no traffic rights. At Shannon everyone is trooped off and re-screened to US standards however problems are twofold 1. What to do with anyone failing re-screening in Eire (and this does happen) 2. How to manage crew hours since no base is near by. So Kuwait have been looking for alternative solutions and the most ideal would be to reinstate the LHR transit of KU101 however those slots are now used for an increased frequency LHR-KWI service. MAG group were approached and Manchester considered for the transit operation as the airport has experience with such operation with PIA However the problem remains how to handle those failing screening and there return east The home office were not convinced by escorted mini busing south to return those to Kuwait, or of the legality of routing them back through third country such as Doha or UAE direct from Manchester . The best compromise seems to be Stansted it meets the security standards required and can be relatively quiet at sometimes of the day Passengers can be trooped off re-screened and trooped back on. Any one failing screening can be detained and returned east after a nice escorted mini bus ride round to Slough Windsor and Hounslow regional Same for crew change other way round M25. |
Seems like KU are going to an awful lot of trouble and expense if their home base airport cannot get security standards up to scratch. Could the Kuwaiti Govt not step in and get the airport to find a way to solve the problem ? Secondary screening at the gate is not impossible for the rest of the world if needs must...
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Jet 2
First aircraft at Stansted (G-JZHW) ready for Thursday's launch.
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Both of the initial two aircraft are at STN now for the launch on 30th March. The second, G-JZHU arrived around 1/2 an hour ago in Jet2holidays livery. G-JZHW arrived yesterday. Will eventually build up to seven based aircraft by the peak Summer season.
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What is happening at Stansted as Luton is taking many diversions?
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Protesters on the runway I think.
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Seems that protesters who believe that no one should be deported and that the uk should be an open house have surrounded an aircraft that had deportees aboard.
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We're a democracy and people want their right to public protest, even if the time and place of the protest makes life (temporarily) awkward for others. The pain-in-the-butt nature of this protest makes society in the UK healthy in the long run.
Now if Mr/Ms Plod could kindly remove them so others can carry on with their flying activities... |
They should deport the protesters:mad:
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LTNMAN
AGREE 100%......Questions will/need to be asked how they got onto the airfield...by passing security ...not good
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Inside job? Gaining airside access should be impossible, but recently a 'chap' was picked up allegedly walking along a taxiway at Luton! I don't think that event was widely reported?
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No doubt the "alleged" protesters will get a few hour community service.
It would be great if the airlines brought a civil action action against them for their losses but I don't suppose the protesters have got that much money in the bank. |
Cancel their benefits with immediate effect, then prosecute for making illegal entry into a secured area.
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Anyways......moving on...Good to see the inaugural Jet2 flights ALC/FAO leave within 40mins of each other this AM....
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Whom is doing Jet 2 ramp handling?
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Whom is doing Jet 2 ramp handling? |
Kuwait Airways-tech stop
Is it still coming? Suggestion is that Manchester are demanding it reverts to that airport after an internal spat! |
Not sure of any internal spat but looks like it is going via MAN now.
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
(Post 9728108)
Not sure of any internal spat but looks like it is going via MAN now.
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May be incorrect, as a lot being done to set up the MAN stop, just for a months operation
, the whole thing seems very confused right now. |
Planning has been secured for the £130 million dedicated arrivals terminal which will allow the existing terminal building to expand and be redeveloped for departures only
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Another hefty investment & gearing up for future max use of the existing runway...Well done MAG as they state also since acquiring STN traffic has increased 40%...(admittedly from the low point inherited)..In lieu of the transformation also announced is a further increase in capacity-(with work to commence later this Summer)-within the existing departures inc more check-in desks & more seating & more restaurants airside......When complete STN will be the only airport in the UK with stand alone Arrivals & Departure Terminals....
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Their airport at Bournemouth has the same arrangement.
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I should imagine Satelite Four will be the next investment to be announced then SAT 3 and SAT 4 could be purely Ryanair releasing extra gates in SAT 2 for any Jet2 expansion.
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I believe that is broadly the plan longer term
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Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 9730405)
Planning has been secured for the £130 million dedicated arrivals terminal which will allow the existing terminal building to expand and be redeveloped for departures only
Stansted Airport announces new £130m arrivals terminal - BBC News But what an architectural mish-mash. The architects have gone out of their way to design something which, while of comparable height etc as the current building, is just jarring and out of keeping in almost every respect. Whatever happened to good design ? |
And LHR terminals all look the same.....
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At Heathrow all of the terminals are separated by distance. This looks like a single building even though it is not so looks a little odd. Once inside they will no doubt be connected so passengers and visitors will feel as though they are in one building. At Bournemouth I had to step outside to cross the gap which felt very strange.
Stansted has the luxury of plenty of land for expansion. That very fact means it will have a great future and should rival Gatwick in terms of capacity for its single runway. |
But what an architectural mish-mash. The architects have gone out of their way to design something which, while of comparable height etc as the current building, is just jarring and out of keeping in almost every respect. Whatever happened to good design ? |
It is good to see Stansted growing and with more variety of carriers and the investment in new facilities is definitely needed as the terminal is nothing like the calm space it was originally designed and intended to be. That said I think it's sad they have opted for a cheap looking add on structure rather than in keeping with the Foster Associates terminal design. Maybe it will all look fantastic in a few years time but personally I think it should be built in the existing style.
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The existing terminal was built in the BAA era, when money was no object and appearance was more important than profit.
I suppose if the day comes when airlines like Ryanair and their customers are happy to pay more for airport charges and ticket prices then MAG will build them whatever they want. Since that's never going to happen the best we can hope for is "functional". It's the UK plc way. |
And this will happen at STN long before even a bulldozer gets access to start expansion at LHR ! In 5 years time, the MP's will still be debating LHR so as to keep their jobs whereas STN just goes ahead. I admit, we're not talking about another runway at STN but even so........
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With the heat stepping up on longhaul particularly to the US from Gatwick with Norwegian I wonder if the likes so VS or BA will ever consider starting up at Stansted it's an untapped market and the demand is definitely there to be honest I'm supposed it hasn't happened this summer
Continental and American managed it years ago with good loads In my opinion Virgin would do very well out of Stansted In a slightly different market BA have been surprised with demand from Stansted on its holiday city and ski destinations from Stansted so surly its only a matter of time. |
Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 9732078)
Continental and American managed it years ago with good loads
Incidentally, when AA ran (in 1992-3) from Stansted to Chicago with 767s, they ran a competition, prize a couple of transatlantic tickets, for what US onward destination had the most onward connecting pax from their first month's flights. I remember picking up the entry form when passing through the STN terminal, and dropping it in the box at the AA desk. Didn't win. What do you think the correct answer was ? |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 9732160)
No they didn't, it was a financial flop, which is why they were withdrawn. The economy cabin was filled through various discounters, business and first just didn't sell. If you thought there were pax seated in there, they would be upgrades in the normal US carrier fashion.
Incidentally, when AA ran (in 1992-3) from Stansted to Chicago with 767s, they ran a competition, prize a couple of transatlantic tickets, for what US onward destination had the most onward connecting pax from their first month's flights. I remember picking up the entry form when passing through the STN terminal, and dropping it in the box at the AA desk. Didn't win. What do you think the correct answer was ? But my main point is Norwegian will definitely have an impact on passenger numbers on BA VS etc so why not get in there first and establish at Stansted. |
daz211
'Continental and American managed it for years with good loads' As far as I am aware Continental (Boeing 757) only operated to Newark from June 2000 to September 2001 (terminated after 9/11 never to return as it was a very marginal route) American (Boeing 762) operated to Chicago from June 1992 to April 1993 (having lost $10 million on the route) American (Boeing 763) operated to New York JFK from October 2007 to July 2008 (in response to EOS (Boeing 757) and Maxjet (Boeing 762) and the flights were heavily discounted) Good loads maybe but no one was making any real returns. I share your passion regarding Stansted airport but you won't be seeing British Airways flying long haul from the airport, a few BACF sun and ski routes as at present with perhaps an expansion into more European destinations going forward. Virgin Atlantic may well offer an Orlando flight in coming years and possibly a Las Vegas flight but nothing more than that. Any possible transatlantic connection from Stansted in the future will more than likely come from JetBlue if and when they announce any transatlantic expansion in the next couple of years. It's a pity that Norwegian moved their London operations from STN to LGW a few years ago as the expansion from that airline since then has been amazing to watch especially their long haul flying, imagine if all that was at STN rather than LGW! |
Thomas Cook and TUI Airlines both have flights to Orlando (MCO & SFB respectively), Don't think there is enough demand for a VS service to Orlando given than MT and TOM are only operating these in high season.
TUI have weekly flights to Cancun and Montego Bay, MT operate LAS and CUN in high season. I would think that they would be the most likely to bolster long haul at Stansted before VS would operate from a third London airport. |
I was referring to scheduled flights rather than the charter flights operated by TCX and TUI.
When I was referring to Virgin Atlantic, i did say in 'coming years', just like they have done at GLA and to a certain extent BFS. I am sure and I do hope that both TCX and TUI will expand their long haul charter operations from STN in the foreseeable future but looking forward that might encourage Virgin Atlantic to offer a flight from STN to Orlando MCO in a similar way to GLA that already had competition to Florida from both TCX and TUI. |
If the huge networks of flights to Europe accepted transfers then I'm sure it could work, but other than that you're going to prefer to book a connection somewhere they call it a connection...
If Ryanair do start allowing transfers then I suspect Ryanair Atlantic is a logical progression. Other than that I can't see it happening. |
Originally Posted by 01475
(Post 9732452)
If the huge networks of flights to Europe accepted transfers then I'm sure it could work, but other than that you're going to prefer to book a connection somewhere they call it a connection...
If Ryanair do start allowing transfers then I suspect Ryanair Atlantic is a logical progression. Other than that I can't see it happening. Connecting and interlining are not as important as you may think I know a lot of people who travel STN-AMS (easyJet) and STN-DUB (Ryanair) for onward travel to the US instead of using LGW and LHR both these routes are self connections point to point also there is enough foot fall between the US and London alone to support at least a daily flight from STN to New York. |
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