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Old 19th Dec 2023, 12:03
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What's even the plan with Hi Fly? Are they going to be the ones applying for the UK AOC and are Global going to be simply a virtual airline selling tickets?

Or are they just assisting in the process? All seems a bit odd.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 14:00
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It's interesting that they chose not to show James Asquith at all. Also interesting that the Director of Comms is one of the three from Global at meetings about getting the plane back in the air...
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It's interesting that they chose not to show James Asquith at all. Also interesting that the Director of Comms is one of the three from Global at meetings about getting the plane back in the air...
Or was that "meeting" just those people they wanted in the video?
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 00:55
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At this point I'm just jealous this is all still going on.

And I'm going to ask investors to give me money to import a DC-4 and start an air ferry service.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 05:13
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What is the purpose of this strange venture? Five minutes of internet fame? Burn through their own savings? Collect somebody else's money? Use the media attention for something else?
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 07:33
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At this point I'm just jealous this is all still going on.

And I'm going to ask investors to give me money to import a DC-4 and start an air ferry service.
That's a bit mainstream, and its been done before. Now if you were looking to convert an A380 to offer a car ferry service from London to New York.....?
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 07:48
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Originally Posted by 01475
At this point I'm just jealous this is all still going on.

And I'm going to ask investors to give me money to import a DC-4 and start an air ferry service.
I think Buffalo airways have a few DC4's in storage. You could join forces with them to make a few fancy videos for your LinkedIn page about how great the DC4 is for your new venture flying from Weston Super Mare to Cardiff.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 07:58
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Originally Posted by 01475
At this point I'm just jealous this is all still going on.

And I'm going to ask investors to give me money to import a DC-4 and start an air ferry service.
You're missing a trick here, and not thinking big enough. Given the projected congestion next year at Dover and the Channel Tunnel with the new EU entry system, there's bound to be a lot of demand for a car ferry service which could operate from say Lydd to le Touquet. Go for it and snatch those cheap A380s from under Asquith's nose.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 08:02
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
What's even the plan with Hi Fly? Are they going to be the ones applying for the UK AOC and are Global going to be simply a virtual airline selling tickets?

Or are they just assisting in the process? All seems a bit odd.
Hi Fly already own a UK AOC - check out Jet Exchange in Cambridge which they took over. However, I gather all work on the project to get it to house Airbuses mainly A332 for now - has stopped.
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Old 22nd Dec 2023, 13:18
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You're missing a trick here, and not thinking big enough. Given the projected congestion next year at Dover and the Channel Tunnel with the new EU entry system, there's bound to be a lot of demand for a car ferry service which could operate from say Lydd to le Touquet. Go for it and snatch those cheap A380s from under Asquith's nose.
Sorry - I've already got an option on them . I'm converting them into bedsits internally and will drive them slowly around old airfields - thus avoiding the need for planning permission for new houses.and the approval of Mr Gove
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Old 22nd Dec 2023, 18:28
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Originally Posted by Just Plane Mad
Hi Fly already own a UK AOC - check out Jet Exchange in Cambridge which they took over. However, I gather all work on the project to get it to house Airbuses mainly A332 for now - has stopped.
According to the CAA, they only have a Type B Licence, to quote from the CAA website 'they are permitted to carry passengers, cargo and mail on aircraft with fewer than 20 seats and/or weighing less than 10 tonnes.' So unless the A380 has shrunk...I think this may be a non starter
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Old 22nd Dec 2023, 19:59
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern
According to the CAA, they only have a Type B Licence, to quote from the CAA website 'they are permitted to carry passengers, cargo and mail on aircraft with fewer than 20 seats and/or weighing less than 10 tonnes.' So unless the A380 has shrunk...I think this may be a non starter
Unless they are only counting their imaginary first class cabins which they have been plastering all over the internet again this week!
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 08:21
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
Unless they are only counting their imaginary first class cabins which they have been plastering all over the internet again this week!
I also think the A380 weighs a bit more than 10 tonnes!
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern
According to the CAA, they only have a Type B Licence, to quote from the CAA website 'they are permitted to carry passengers, cargo and mail on aircraft with fewer than 20 seats and/or weighing less than 10 tonnes.' So unless the A380 has shrunk...I think this may be a non starter
Hence my comment that all work is currently on hold to convert it to a Type A which was being done.

Companies House will tell you Hi Fly own it. Pop had first refusal to buy it once converted. I am unsure if Global have the right to buy Jet Exchange it/when they upgrade in AOC and OL was to happen.
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Just Plane Mad
Hence my comment that all work is currently on hold to convert it to a Type A which was being done.

Companies House will tell you Hi Fly own it. Pop had first refusal to buy it once converted. I am unsure if Global have the right to buy Jet Exchange it/when they upgrade in AOC and OL was to happen.
Are you the only poster on this thread that takes Global at all seriously?
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Just Plane Mad
Companies House will tell you Hi Fly own it. Pop had first refusal to buy it once converted. I am unsure if Global have the right to buy Jet Exchange it/when they upgrade in AOC and OL was to happen.
Fair point, but a quick look shows Jet Exchange Ltd not to have too much in the bank, this is the one with a connection to Hi Fly, there is of course, Jet Exchange Management Ltd which does not appear to have direct connection to Hi Fly, only 2 Directors and it looks like they are man and wife, one of whom is also a Director at Jet Exchange Ltd.
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 16:13
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern
Fair point, but a quick look shows Jet Exchange Ltd not to have too much in the bank, this is the one with a connection to Hi Fly, there is of course, Jet Exchange Management Ltd which does not appear to have direct connection to Hi Fly, only 2 Directors and it looks like they are man and wife, one of whom is also a Director at Jet Exchange Ltd.
Jet Exchange Management Ltd. appears to be controlled by nobody.
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 17:30
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An AOC isn't really something which can be simply traded though, is it? Probably just as easy to apply for one as opposed to buy one.

This whole thing is just really weird.

I hope HiFly have asked for payment up front.

I would put money on someone at Global complaining sometime next year at how much bureaucracy, shock horror, is involved in starting an airline.
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 19:42
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
An AOC isn't really something which can be simply traded though, is it? Probably just as easy to apply for one as opposed to buy one.

This whole thing is just really weird.

I hope HiFly have asked for payment up front.

I would put money on someone at Global complaining sometime next year at how much bureaucracy, shock horror, is involved in starting an airline.
“In the event that a company is sold as a going concern, it will remain the same legal entity and the AOC will continue to be in force provided that the management is considered competent.” CAA website: Legal entities
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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 19:52
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Besides the obvious remark about what 'competent' is defined as, the rest of the CAA webpage states:

"A new company established for the purpose of purchasing the aircraft etc. from an AOC holder is a new legal entity and must apply for a new AOC prior to the commencement of commercial operations."

Won't that cover Global?

I just don't see this as the quick shortcut to an AOC they may seem to think it is.
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