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Old 20th Mar 2023, 13:23
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Impossible on a single crew. As the crew would have to report before 0600 and assuming 4 sectors then the duty day would be 9 hours max.
You are right, but itís a lot closer than you think. I have no idea what Flight Time Limitations (FTL) scheme you are referencing. Perhaps CAP371, single crew, or something older?

A 0500 report with 4 sectors is 11 hours FDP on current CAA/EASA subpart Q approved multi crew FTL schemes. That doesnít include any extension for a planned split duty, so with 6 hours rest the FDP could be increased to 14 hours, so an FDP end (on chocks) at 1900. Iím not saying that a duty like this would be pleasant, but itís ďlegal ď. Remember that Crewing Departments now treat FTL Limits as targets for maximum productivity. In any case, duty hours rules are different to Flight Duty Period rules.
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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 22:59
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ORY

Something to keep an eye on but ORY has now appeared on the T3 website booking engine linked with EMA, SOU and CWL.

I suspect this will come to light very soonÖ
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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 23:05
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The E190 (G-CLSN) hasn't flown in quite a while. Has it been returned from lease and the E170 is replacing it?
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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 23:18
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ORY

If it happens I hope for all airports concerned it lasts longer than their last European outing SOU / BHX - GIB .....
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 14:04
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Now on sale. EMA based aircraft operating EMA-ORY-SOU-ORY-CWL-ORY-EMA
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 14:23
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oooft. A W-pattern recipe for trouble/delays. I give those routes a year at most in that format.
Maybe some marks for effort.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 15:56
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How will that be crewed? Surely too long a day for an EMA based crew to do all the sectors given that delays could happen? If it can't be crewed by one crew, there will be positioning crew costs to factor in. We've seen this with T3 before, it's almost like they have an aircraft and nothing to do with it so let's try this.....
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 16:14
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SOU-Paris flights......

ORY does NOT connect/interline with AF long haul from CDG

AF long haul from Orly is only to the ex French Colonies in Ivory Coast, North Africa, Reunion, Martinique and Guadeloupe

Doubt we will be able to use Virgin Flying Club rewards points or get through fares on this (unlike we can on the SOU-AMS KLM interline long haul flights)

so frankly not a very forward step IMO
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 16:35
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Originally Posted by GayFriendly View Post
How will that be crewed? Surely too long a day for an EMA based crew to do all the sectors given that delays could happen? If it can't be crewed by one crew, there will be positioning crew costs to factor in. We've seen this with T3 before, it's almost like they have an aircraft and nothing to do with it so let's try this.....
Night stop in ORY for the crew after the first three sectors by the looks of it
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 17:39
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CWLs Facebook press release and replies in comments states this is an Air France flight operated by Eastern Airways on their behalf. Which is very different to Eastern operating the flight with an AF codeshare. Any idea which it is?
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 17:41
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We are delighted to be entering into this cooperation with Air France and opening up connectivity to Europe’s second biggest city for both business and leisure travellers and restoring direct access year-round to France.” says Roger Hage, Commercial Director of Eastern Airways.

These first three new UK-France services from East-Midlands, Southampton and Cardiff will initiate the new Eastern Airways and Air France cooperation, developing into a codeshare partnership in the course of this year. Each ensures a sustainable capacity development whereby not only direct access to Paris is offered, but onward connections to a myriad of destinations allowing business users much improved options but also an exciting and ever popular leisure offer, including Disneyland Paris celebrating its 30th anniversary this year to add to the Parisian charm the City is famous for
https://www.easternairways.com/en-gb...stern-airways/
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 17:44
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Might someone be able to give the poor bloke a lesson in the occasional use of punctuation and phrase structure ? Iím exhausted just reading it.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 17:58
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Originally Posted by caaardiff View Post
CWLs Facebook press release and replies in comments states this is an Air France flight operated by Eastern Airways on their behalf. Which is very different to Eastern operating the flight with an AF codeshare. Any idea which it is?
CWL clutching at straws.

Itís a T3 flight, with upcoming AF codeshare
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 18:48
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All the ORY slots are Eastern babysitting on AF's behalf. They've been touting them around for the last few months as they haven't got the aircraft/crews to operate them on their own. It's likely to be no longer than a 12-18month max exercise.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 19:26
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Originally Posted by caaardiff View Post
Now on sale. EMA based aircraft operating EMA-ORY-SOU-ORY-CWL-ORY-EMA
Odd that itís based at EMA. Surely SOU where they already have aircraft based would make more sense.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Odd that itís based at EMA. Surely SOU where they already have aircraft based would make more sense.
From the press release:

This will complement the Newquay-Cornwall service which launches on Friday 31st March and will act as a catalyst to further new services from the East Midlands hub.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 20:00
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Odd that itís based at EMA. Surely SOU where they already have aircraft based would make more sense.
Yeah but itís Eastern weíre talking about here. Since when did sense come into anything they do?
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 20:25
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Yeah but itís Eastern weíre talking about here. Since when did sense come into anything they do?
what it does offer is really business friendly timings to allow East Midlands originating PAX a full days work in Paris.

Sadly PAX from and to SOU and CWL won't have that benefit.

I actually wonder if a 2 x daily EMA/ORY might not have made more business sense. Or 2 x daily SOU/ORY of course.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 20:32
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
what it does offer is really business friendly timings to allow East Midlands originating PAX a full days work in Paris.

Sadly PAX from and to SOU and CWL won't have that benefit.

I actually wonder if a 2 x daily EMA/ORY might not have made more business sense. Or 2 x daily SOU/ORY of course.
If successful there's scope for EMA-ORY to be double daily and another based aircraft at SOU to be double daily with a W pattern to CWL. Not sure CWL could manage double daily without AF connections in CDG.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 20:37
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Maybe have a look at post #174 and then the number of slots involved.
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