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Old 19th Sep 2023, 17:02
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
It's an Italian airline operating the flights using a leased a/c. I'm sure they have justified it's use to the Italian authorities, maybe a because it fills a gap in flights they already operate?. Hardly a unique situation. Will there be many a/c of that size available within the EU?
Eastern, as described above, are already operating for ITA between Milan and London City, which lasts until Autumn. Presumably an extension of that arrangement. ITA have ordered new Airbus A220 which should be coming on line now, but with the P&W engine difficulties all bets seem to be off for who can fly what.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 16:56
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Pax figures on the Paris services are, to put it politely, underwhelming.

For July they were: Cardiff = 770, Southampton = 990 and Cardiff 675.

Works out as 23, 31 and 21 pax per day respectively.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 20:52
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Originally Posted by TheSpiddalKid
The CAA maybe but I am sure that there are those in government that would say the free market should regulate such practices, where first are seen to be unreliable then they will lose custom and not make enough money to survive (see FlyBe2 for recent case study). This becomes a problem where the company doesn't have competition and makes a profit irrespective of how badly it treats its customers (take your pick of the water companies).
Good point. I guess most airlines would have succumbed by now but T3 are still standing. In a way they deserve some credit but I still cannot get my head around why theyíre based aircraft at LCY and SOU leave 1 hour + late on the first rotation.

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Old 20th Sep 2023, 20:54
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Pax figures on the Paris services are, to put it politely, underwhelming.

For July they were: Cardiff = 770, Southampton = 990 and Cardiff 675.

Works out as 23, 31 and 21 pax per day respectively.

To be honest I donít think 990 is that bad considering itís one rotation a day with no opportunity for an evening return and that T3 are pretty much completely unknown. Iíd say there is a lot more potential there for an AF or EZY.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 21:16
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Not bad? It's absolutely dire. Assuming they flew all of the rotations in the month, it's a 22% loadfactor on SOU and worse on CWL and EMA. There is nothing remotely promising about any of it.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 21:37
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
To be honest I donít think 990 is that bad considering itís one rotation a day with no opportunity for an evening return and that T3 are pretty much completely unknown. Iíd say there is a lot more potential there for an AF or EZY.
You would have a point if Eastern were just selling it alone as a point to point service with no support. It's also being sold on the AF website (as they are using AF slots) and so have all that distribution power at their disposal from the home carrier.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 19:00
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
You would have a point if Eastern were just selling it alone as a point to point service with no support. It's also being sold on the AF website (as they are using AF slots) and so have all that distribution power at their disposal from the home carrier.
I've just looked at the Air France website. SOU Southampton does not immediately appear in the drop down menu of UK airports. I had to type SOU in the airport search engine to search for flights.

The flights were eventually shown as being flown by Eastern Airways obviously with the AF code. But it's not ideal is it for those searching for flights between Southampton and Paris.

SOU Southampton should be on the websites drop down menu for UK airports without having to search for it. No wonder why the route isn't performing as it should be.

Once Air France has the spare aircraft capacity they might want to look at resuming Paris to Southampton themselves, fingers crossed 🤞 I'm sure if they did the flight would perform so much better with an airline everyone is aware of.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 18:17
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According to the S24 initial coordination report Eastern has been granted slots from LCY to Paris ORY. Perhaps replacing one of the other regional connections, I would assume SOU given the relative proximity
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 18:30
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Cityflyer struggled to make Orly work from LCY. I will be surprised if Eastern manage it any better.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 18:48
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Cityflyer struggled to make Orly work from LCY. I will be surprised if Eastern manage it any better.
Was that before Eurostar moved from Waterloo to St Pancras ? This is a lot less convenient for the LCY catchment area, plus Eurostar giving up the stop at Ebbsfleet in North Kent, greatly extended check in requirements (now stated at 60 to 90 minutes), and regular accounts of queueing chaos, may make things notably different.

But Eastern do need to market it heavily to make it work. There are still a lot of corporate accounts with large offices in both Canary Wharf and Paris.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 18:58
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
According to the S24 initial coordination report Eastern has been granted slots from LCY to Paris ORY. Perhaps replacing one of the other regional connections, I would assume SOU given the relative proximity
I was told this would operate ďforĒ Air France. Some even mentioned the E190 would be painted in AF colours. No idea if itís true.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 20:09
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Was that before Eurostar moved from Waterloo to St Pancras ? This is a lot less convenient for the LCY catchment area, plus Eurostar giving up the stop at Ebbsfleet in North Kent, greatly extended check in requirements (now stated at 60 to 90 minutes), and regular accounts of queueing chaos, may make things notably different.

But Eastern do need to market it heavily to make it work. There are still a lot of corporate accounts with large offices in both Canary Wharf and Paris.
It was around 2018 time.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 21:33
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
According to the S24 initial coordination report Eastern has been granted slots from LCY to Paris ORY. Perhaps replacing one of the other regional connections, I would assume SOU given the relative proximity
London City Airport is 106 miles away by car from Southampton using the M3 with an average journey time of 2.15 hours.

The fastest way of getting from Southampton to London City Airport by train will take approximately 1.45 hours (if your lucky).

Train travel is expensive and unreliable .

Travelling by car is not only inconvenient but very expensive taking into account fuel, London congestion charges, and of course the hated ULEZ. And that's not taking into account the fact that you would have to reach East London through dense traffic.

London Heathrow is only 61 miles from Southampton with an approximate journey time of one hour.

If I was looking for a flight to Paris I definitely wouldn't consider LCY as an option especially as LHR is only an hour away from Southampton with a good schedule of flights from BA and AF.

Flights to Paris can easily be operated from Southampton regardless of the close proximity of London Heathrow. There will always be demand for a Paris route from SOU. Paris has in one way or another been served from SOU since the fifties.

And you're suggesting, "I would assume SOU given the relative proximity".

I have to admit that I totally disagree with your assumption.



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Old 16th Dec 2023, 21:42
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perhaps one means the relatively proximity of both to Paris? Keep the same ORY slots and just use them to fly somewhere else. If you replaced say flights to EDI the ORY slots would also need reapplying and no guarantee of getting them

bacf of course had the hotac costs which may not be the same here?
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 21:46
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The relative proximity means that the flight times will be similar, so if it is at the expense of another route it could be the easiest operational fit. However, is there anything to suggest it is at the expense of anything else, the Eastern fleet doesn't look over stretched.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 22:30
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The sooner they depart SOU the better. Their punctuality is appalling and has been for many months now on this route, I pity LCY if they end up there. Hopefully this will open up easyJet CDG from SOU.
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
And you're suggesting, "I would assume SOU given the relative proximity".

I have to admit that I totally disagree with your assumption.
It was a throwaway comment however not without some backing. My understanding is that people in the Southampton area will tend to use London airports where there is no local alternative. However despite my username the one thing I have never done is lived there, and I therefore assume that you probably benefit from more local knowledge. Not really the main part of my post though...
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 14:10
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From a reasonably reliable source, the Orly operations are slot sitting for Air France until Transavia France has enough aircraft and crews to fly the Orly operations. AF sound to be mightily unimpressed with the whole thing and expect this to be wrapped up as soon as they are able to fly the Orly slots in some other way. It's a bit like the whole ITA and TAP gambits for Eastern - nothing ever seems to last. The pilots who weren't already applying for other jobs now are as there's a view that the owner will just pack the whole thing in before too very long.
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 14:38
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The pilots who weren't already applying for other jobs now are as there's a view that the owner will just pack the whole thing in before too very long.
Isn't that the constant view?
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I suppose so - the rumours do certainly seem to come and go. Sounds more substance to it this time tho as he's apparently resigned as a director at Companies House?
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